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Jeremy64 -> Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:06:32 AM)

Well I've been on this site for a while now and have yet to find a Domme that I "click" with that is within driving range. So I am seriously considering pursing just an online bdsm relationship for now to satisfy my need too submit until I find the real thing. I have never really thought about online submission until now and don't really know much about it. So I was wondering if anyone could give a few pointers or links on this type of relationship. I know the forums really isn't the place to ask, but i'd also am wondering if their are any Dommes here on the forums that would consider taking me on and training me online.

thanks,
jeremy




DominaSmartass -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:13:23 AM)

Groan... In my opinion, "online" d/s, which to say d/s that is ONLY online with no intention or possibility of moving into real time, is equivalent to an interactive porn movie. It's role playing and might be hot for a while but cannot substitute for the real thing.

Before you all flame me, I'm not referring to people who meet online or use it to get to know one another before moving into real life. Or those who use online to maintain a primarily long distance relationship. I'm talking about mistresses who do webcame "training sessions" or guys who like to be told to shove a dildo up their ass while the supposed mistress watches.

So by all means, if your need to submit entails activities that can be done to yourself while someone watches on a webcam, then you will probably be fine. You should probably expect to pay for this service though.




Zonk -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:13:47 AM)

akashasweb is a website for a domina that writes some really amazing erotic fiction. She also has semi regular mass online training sessions. From what I've read, they are fairly demanding and very appealing. You might want to try googling that website.




freakgoddess -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:28:19 AM)

imo online 'submission' is a boring waste of time.




jadein -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:33:02 AM)

As someone who had to satisfy her need to submit online for quite sometime I will tell you that all online will do is satisfy your need to a point.  But then after that all it will feel like is nothing but a big tease.  The need for you to submit will just keep rising and rising and rising .... but it could be a good way to help eliviate some of the pressure right now.




Jeremy64 -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 12:47:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jadein

As someone who had to satisfy her need to submit online for quite sometime I will tell you that all online will do is satisfy your need to a point.  But then after that all it will feel like is nothing but a big tease.  The need for you to submit will just keep rising and rising and rising .... but it could be a good way to help eliviate some of the pressure right now.


Yes this is pretty much exactly how I am feeling atm. And no im not really looking for a webcam/sexual thing. I guess just someone too talk to in the scene I guess and exchange emails with.




krikket -> RE: On line Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 3:12:31 AM)

On-line submission is like a lot of things in that you get out of it what you put into it.  There are several drawbacks, of course, in that nothing quite substitutes the feel of a real hand spanking real flesh, the look in the eye of Dom to the sub to reinforce his word, etc.

But, it also has some things going for it.  For some, like myself, it was a great way to safely explore those feelings that were so new to me back then.  It's very much a mental and emotional connection, rather than a physical connection, although i know of some who have managed to get past that as well.  When i use the word, safely, i don't mean physically safe, but emotionally safe.  D/s often exposes a dark side -- a side that especially for a newbie can be difficult to admit out loud.  It can give you time to really think through a subject, time you might not have when you have to speak immediately.

For many on-line is the only way they have of expressing their submission (or dominance), and it's certainly better than nothing, but it can also be incredibly frustrating.  It usually isn't long before both parties want "more".  You both also must have absolute trust in the other -- that as a sub you'll do exactly what you're told to do.  This type of trust is hard to find face to face much less computer to computer. 

If you're going to have an on-line only relationship i think it's important to know what to expect and to accept that it's not the same as face to face.  (i refuse to call it real life vs. computer, because it can be very much real life.)  The Dom can direct what you do and how you do it, BUT you have to be honest and true.  If you can't carry out an assignment, for whatever reason, you have to admit it and accept the consequences.  It also requires patience and trust on the Dom's part to know that when you speak you speak the truth.  Some have trouble with that even when they can look you in the eye to judge your sincerity. 

Even though they've never experienced an on-line relationship, many will tell you that such a relationship can't possibly be the real thing, that's it's fake, a ruse, but...it can be and is very real to those who are involved.  It depends on how you see it and how real you want it to be.  There's a lot more involved than i've gone into here, so feel free to write if you have specific questions. 

Yes, i've been involved in an on-line (or heart to heart) only D/s relationship and a face to face, heart to heart relationship, and if given a choice i'd pick the reach out and touch someone kind, but if it meant absolutely no D/s in my life at all if not for on-line then i'd still go with on-line. 

Good luck,
jk




MasterC70 -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 4:58:12 AM)

This Master has met a Domme online who is helping him with his new slave (they live near each other).  If you wish I can e-mail her about you and see if she is able to take the time to have you submit to her. 




SCDommie -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 5:35:39 AM)

While you are learning, online submission is not a bad idea as long as it is like any other relationship in the life and has boundaries set before you start with it. 
It can be dangerous to individuals who decide to go meet their Dom/mes that they do not know.  It can be degrading to women if they are having to train on cam.  I would also say that it could be degrading to men if they were having to train on cam.
I would not expect to pay for this service because there are a lot of people who  enjoy teaching that are good people.  I would not be interested it in now because I am concentrating on getting a local group together.
Be careful when trying to use online/domination.   I would continue talking with many people as I could until I could find someone close to me.

SCD




MasterGlitch -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 6:30:14 AM)

Not to be cold or rude (I know how the written word can be translated many ways) because that is not my intent. I have read of many online relationship, so I'm sure they work for some. For me personally, I don't understand how they could. I get more from a well written book, if I need to learn something. "Screw the Roses, Give Me the Thorns" for instance. For me it can only be real world.
I don not "look down" on those that find online relationships fulfilling, I guess I just don't "get it."
Best of luck to you though, it must be hard for you to not have the direction you crave.




amaidiamond -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 6:40:14 AM)

I did online submission a while whilst I was younger and learning - and I would have to say that it can aid the need for a while but then for me at least just makes the cravings stronger, its like  - for me at least - the difference between a diet biscuite and a rich chocolate cake.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 7:33:15 AM)

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SimplyMichael -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 7:44:20 AM)

I think there are people who do amazing things online, but then there are about as many people who run a three minute mile. 

To me, the issue about online is that it distorts reality and by reality I mean living with someone.  Online partners are more "perfect" because you rarely see them without makeup, you rarely have to smell them, you hear them fart, and you seldom talk to them while they are grumpy.  Instead you project all the little things you want a partner to do onto them and later a real life person just isn't as "perfect" as someone online.

In addition, actions become less important online than real life, the little things from putting the seat down and remembering to pick up milk, to big things like not forgetting to pay bills or holding down a job.  Instead words take on an overly large role, and while I love words, they are NOT the same as action.

Lastly, online tends to distort play/d/s/sex.  In order to make it more intense, since you can't really twist the nipple harder, whack a bit deeper with a cane, etc, you make the action more extreme instead.  Again this distorts reality.

It is almost always a pale shadow of what living with someone is like, but as has been said, for some it is all they will ever have.




SirDominic -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 8:38:58 AM)

I understand that for some people, finding a real partner is very difficult, often depending on location. In my opinion, online submission is a poor substitute. It is my belief that for every one person who wants to try it for your reason, there are 10 who do it because they have no intention of ever developing a real time relationship. Whether because of fear, or just a bored housewife looking for an afternoon play session with no strings. My point being that there are a huge number of fakes in the online D/s scene. That hot Domme you hook up with online could just as easily be a horny, fat old man in reality.

So just as long as you go in realizing that an online relationship is complete fantasy, and are okay with that, it might make a temporary substitute. But I would suggest continuing working diligently on finding a real time partner.

Namaste, Sir Dominic




azzmaster -> RE: Online Submission, What is it all about? (2/19/2007 8:44:05 AM)

online submission could be like an appitizer, but if its not leading up to the main couse it just would be frustrating i would think




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