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MissEnchantress -> Straight up questions (2/20/2007 1:01:52 PM)

While I appreciate ritualistic questions and answers, sometimes I ask a straight up question and get a ritualized answer.

For example, I might ask My sub, 'Do you like this'.  And I get 'If you like it Mistress'.

What I really want to know is if _they_ like it or not.  Simple.  Fact finding.  If they don't like it, it can be used as a punishment, if they do it can be used as a reward.

How do you get straight answers out of submissives when you really want to gather facts?  And question two, why do some subs tend to think that a Mistress is submissive for asking if he likes something - when all you're doing is gathering facts and .... information is power?!




MsKatHouston -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 1:31:57 PM)

I state it up front that when I ask a question I require an honest answer.  If I ask what would you like for dinner?  Do you like strap on play?  etc...I want to know what they think.

I tell potentials up front or at least after the first "whatever you wish" answer that it is not what I am looking for. 

I know I can do whatever I want...kinda comes with the territory.  But if I ask, I want an answer.  I think some submissives are programmed to give stock answers and once you let them know your expectations, they are more comfortable with voicing their opinions.




nephandi -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 1:43:30 PM)

i think it is becoue it is somtimes confusing for uss submissives, many beeoks and real life Dominants to tell us to answer like that, it is very easy to be chategorised as a do me sub or the like, and more then one argument have broke out on this forum aboute how mutch a sub should espress what they themself wish. i think comunication is inportant here, so the sub in question know what the Dominant want.




Sternhand4 -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 2:02:35 PM)

The truth belongs to you. If you require a ritual answer assign a ritual pet name. So when you ask the question using that name they know to respond in kind.

S




BabyNyla -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 2:07:26 PM)

I often have to repeat a question back to my husband ... only I reword it for him ... for expample, I will ask him something and he will answer "sure, I like it" and I will re-ask saying "I didn't ask if you liked it, I asked WHY you like it" ... this will lead him to answer it better. 
 
In reverse, he will say to me "I expect a better answer than that" when I don't give a true opinion, but rather a generic answer.  I have just learned from his tone and speech what he expects and what doesn't fly. 




RumpusParable -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 2:10:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

I state it up front that when I ask a question I require an honest answer.  If I ask what would you like for dinner?  Do you like strap on play?  etc...I want to know what they think.

I tell potentials up front or at least after the first "whatever you wish" answer that it is not what I am looking for. 

I know I can do whatever I want...kinda comes with the territory.  But if I ask, I want an answer.  I think some submissives are programmed to give stock answers and once you let them know your expectations, they are more comfortable with voicing their opinions.


Ditto on this but adding:  I've dropped a lot of potentials because even after clarifying they kept on with this... and have had a god number lose interest in me once I tell them I want a direct answer.   Win-Win.  If they can't or won't answer a direct question, I don't have the time for them.




hisannabelle -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 2:58:06 PM)

hehehe, you would get along with my dominant pretty well. He likes to ask me my opinion on things and expects a straightforward answer. i have gotten a lot better with giving Him those, although being the indecisive and often self-conscious submissive that i am (still, a little bit, despite all His hard work), i will occasionally give ritualized answers (often because i used to say, "i don't know," when i didn't, and He -really- does -not- like to hear that). i think that the only way to reassure a submissive that you're still dominant to them even when you want to know their thoughts and feelings on things is to honestly sit down and talk it out with them, or reinforce your dominance in other ways. i was nervous about answering questions once, so i would say i don't know, and one of His ways of dealing with that was a face slap or two to make me understand that He didn't have room for self-consciousness and He didn't want to hear a bullshit answer.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 4:38:35 PM)

Ya know the saying, "If I'd wanted your opinion, I'd have given it"? Well, try a new one: "If I'd wanted to assume your opinion, I'd have done so. Now, I asked you a fucking question." *stare at them until they answer properly* Usually works. *chuckle*

Master Fire




mp072004 -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 5:28:38 PM)

I sympathize, and my chief tactic for responding to 'whatever you wish' is a lot like MasterFire's. "I know I get to do what I want. I want you to tell me which you prefer." That doesn't necessarily mean that I'll do the thing that the submissive likes better--nor that I'll do what he or she dislikes. Insisting on a straight answer generally works for me--if the person is coherent enough to murmur "whatever you like," he or she is coherent enough to give me a more appropriate answer. (If, of course, this is a submissive or bottom who becomes non-verbal, that's a whole different ball of wax.)

It is sometimes helpful to phrase the question in more precise terms than "like" and "dislike", though, and to make questions less open-ended. Since I often enjoy creating dilemmas and switching from one activity to another, I'll ask, "Do you find activity one easier to handle than activity two?" "Is one turning you on more than two?" "Is two more embarrassing than one?"

Sometimes, though, it really is most important for playmates to observe my enthusiasm. Then ranking becomes important--if I'm showing equal amounts of enthusiasm, which activity do you like better?

Not so long ago, I had a charming conversation that fits this questioning model nicely. I asked my playmate whether he liked an activity, and he said something like "if it's making you happy, it's making me happy." Later on, I increased the intensity of our play and informed him that I was a nice person indeed to grant him such pleasure. He was befuddled, remarking that he was hurting more than previously, and I reminded him that I was very happy indeed, and so he must be in great throes of bliss. (Note: this was all very lighthearted and fun, if it's not coming across in text, and I think it transmitted the message clearly--he might be chiefly satisfied by seeing me express delight, but it's a rather complex sort of pleasure.)

Monica




LotusSong -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 6:16:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissEnchantress

While I appreciate ritualistic questions and answers, sometimes I ask a straight up question and get a ritualized answer.

For example, I might ask My sub, 'Do you like this'.  And I get 'If you like it Mistress'.

What I really want to know is if _they_ like it or not.  Simple.  Fact finding.  If they don't like it, it can be used as a punishment, if they do it can be used as a reward.

How do you get straight answers out of submissives when you really want to gather facts?  And question two, why do some subs tend to think that a Mistress is submissive for asking if he likes something - when all you're doing is gathering facts and .... information is power?!


Ask your question and pay attention to body language... they don't make ity that easy, at times :)




needdiscipline23 -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 7:14:50 PM)

I'm not sure how related this is, but I definitely struggle not with giving stock answers, but with giving the answer I think my top wants to hear--I'm not likely to say "if you like it, Ma'am" b/c I understand that I am being asked a question...I am however likely to try to figure out in my head WHAT answer will make them happy/approve/pleased with me....that's something that I'm really struggling with, and I'd imagine that it's just as frustrating to a Mistress as a stock answer, except, more insidious.

In fact, now that I've considered it, I'm having a major guilt trip about it, b/c it's, like, what, half a step (if that) shy of actually lying to my Mistress.

Damn.




porthuronsub -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 7:31:07 PM)

I must have this whole thing screwed up.  If my Mistress asks me a question I answer it, plain and simple.  You have to have open communication to have a strong relationship.  I feel that if she asks me something there has to be a reason so answer it truthfully.  I seldom say something like what the OP quoted.  I feel it is kind of lame.  Do you Mistresses really like a "yes" sub?  Or one with a mind?




needdiscipline23 -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 7:44:33 PM)

Yeah, I've got to agree porthuron--I was kinda surprised to hear that they get those kind of answers--Mine would probably smack me. :)

While I KNOW that good relationship is key, I do sometimes struggle to act on that, though, as I posted above.




MzMia -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 8:11:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissEnchantress

While I appreciate ritualistic questions and answers, sometimes I ask a straight up question and get a ritualized answer.

For example, I might ask My sub, 'Do you like this'.  And I get 'If you like it Mistress'.

What I really want to know is if _they_ like it or not.  Simple.  Fact finding.  If they don't like it, it can be used as a punishment, if they do it can be used as a reward.

How do you get straight answers out of submissives when you really want to gather facts?  And question two, why do some subs tend to think that a Mistress is submissive for asking if he likes something - when all you're doing is gathering facts and .... information is power?!


Many submissives especially online have that anything you like or want syndrome.
I have had to stop communicating with many on here because they refused to stop
talking like robots.
I have found that confronting them about this behavior and asking them to stop,
is the best policy.  It is very hard to really get to know someone that continues
to behave in that manner.




Lashra -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 8:57:45 PM)

I get this samething from my submale. I had always wondered if it was because he was a Master before recognizing his submissiveness. What I do now is when I say "Do you like this?" and he replies "If you say so Mistress." I deepen my voice and take his chin in my hand and say "Wrong answer! I said Do YOU like this?" then I get my answer.

For awhile he did believe that  my asking if he liked something was submissive. He told me it wasnt about what he liked but about what I liked. I straightened him out real quick on that one. I told him I KNOW what I like and right now I want to know what you like boy...

I saw a sticker the other day that read "boys are dumb, throw rocks at them." for a minute I thought that might not be a bad idea when my sub gets like this[image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif[/image] j/k

~Lashra




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 9:13:56 PM)

BTW a lot of slaves have this problem of owning their feelings and desires- part of why they love slavery is to help release that "burden."  And don't us doms just love taking on those burdens? :)

I find just not letting them get away with copout answers and asking very specific and direct questions, reminding them that I already KNOW that they'll obey me and that they want to make me happy helps in the moment.

I also focus a lot of training on making them own their desires and feelings- forcing them to verbalize "I want to do X" and be completely selfish in some choices.




SCDommie -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 9:18:29 PM)

I have the same problem with please and thank you.  I am raised a proper southern woman, and we say please and thank you because we were taught to do so at a very early age.
I try to state it in a fashion that it is not asking them please?  There is a different tone.
For example, thank you for getting that, or will you please get the dinner ready.
No, I do not think a slave should be punished for trying to communicate that way because they don't want to disappoint someone.  As long as they are not being disrespectful or rude about it, I would say just keep trying to talk freely.
My slave and I have will say, this is free time to talk. It helps us both to express what we are feeling without any actions coming.

SCD




porthuronsub -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 9:19:21 PM)

Can a Mistress here answer my related question?  Do you like "yes" subs/slaves or ones with a mind that can communicate?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 9:31:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: porthuronsub
Can a Mistress here answer my related question?  Do you like "yes" subs/slaves or ones with a mind that can communicate?

I want both :)  That's what training is about- teaching them when to simply obey and when to not.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Straight up questions (2/20/2007 9:36:03 PM)

I HATE yes-subs.  I dont want someone who yesses me to death and cant or wont communicate. Even if I dont necessarily like what they might have to say, I do want them to be able and willing to say it.  Most of my enjoyment comes from having a boy or girl that is truly getting into what I am getting into. When someone agrees to everything, I never know if it is really what they like or not, and it lessens things for me.

DV




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