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MsBlackheart -> Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 7:59:23 AM)


I've been dating "z" for nearly a year.  When we met, we were just friends, but he expressed many submissive qualities and was curious.  We began dating, and I began teaching him about D/s and what I wanted from a submissive. I'm 20 years older than he is, and that was part of the mutual attraction dynamic, as well.  After a short while, in his honest and open fashion, he sorrowfully admitted that he couldn't submit.  He was a happy bottom, and enjoyed some housework and occasionally being my servant in addition to play, but that was it.  I was disappointed, but one thing I know is that unless you want submission with all of your heart, it's just not going to happen.  By this time, I was already commited and in love with him, and I made the choice, right or wrong, to continue the relationship because it was happy and healthy in most other ways.  I was going through a lot, myself, and he was supportive and basically amazing.

As you might imagine, the issue of my need to dominate and his lack of submission has caused us to butt heads quite a few times.  He is probably the most honest, transparent man I've ever had the privilege to know, and has never led me on, so we waded through the times when the longing in me would rise up through communication.  Ultimately, this and other issues have caused me to recently end our romantic relationship and continue as the friends we once were.

Now to what has me wrinkling my nose and frowning:  About a year before he met me, his former (same-age/nilla) gf ended their relationship.  She accomplished this with dishonest, drama-filled, nasty actions, and basically devastated him.  He has explained the situation, and how he was before this happened, how he would have been able to be what I wanted, but because of what he "learned" during his relationship with her, he can no longer give anyone any control over himself.  How he was stupid and weak and still believed in the fantasy of romantic relationships.  He says people who rely on each other are crazy and it's not good to let someone matter that much to you. 

I believe that he's fooling himself.  He's being defensive and punishing himself for allowing himself to be in a situation where someone could hurt him that much.  To a certain extent, of course I understand and applaud his ability to learn from what happened, but to continue to allow himself to feel so hard and cold and at times, angry, is to allow this girl to still have control over him.  What I really want to know is if it is fair of me to tell him that while he feels in control and safe, he's really still being controlled by this girl?  That in allowing himself to fence off the parts that feel vulnerable and weak he's fooling himself?  In the end, it turns out she'd never cared for him, and had used him for company, comfort and ego strokes.  She cheated and lied.  It would be enough to devastate anyone, but he blames himself, when I think he should be angry at her and take back those parts of himself.

He gave me a list of eleven things he wanted from our relationship when we first began. One of these items was "to learn to love again".  He says I have done that.  But it's always been with a very concrete limit.  He gives so much and no more.  This frustrated me both as a woman in a relationship with him, and as a domme who has to have everything from a man.  He couldn't give enough to sustain either side.  When I ended things, I explained that I didn't want to keep living a life where I was frustrated and not getting what I both want and deserve. Not just because I am a domme, but because you can't move to the next level of a romantic relationship without a greater level of giving of yourself.

I definitely did not want to lose him.  I didn't break up because I didn't love him anymore.  I just knew that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't stop feeling how I felt or needing what I need.   I'd begun to resent him, as well as this idiotic little girl who hurt him so badly. 

It's going to take time for me to get over this. It was one of the best relationships I've ever had, and he's left some big shoes for the next boy to fill.  Posting this is just one more hurdle for me to jump, and I don't care if this spoils some subs ideal of a domme being cool, collected, and heartless (too bad, ya wanker). But I want opinions from both sides.  I'm moving on and looking for a new boy, but I need answers to put some closure on this.

MsB




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 8:24:17 AM)

I'm not sure what answers there are.  You decided that what he had was not what you wanted ro needed and that it was best for you both to seek fulfillment elsewhere.

I wouldn't tell him that- it will only confuse and upset him and will likely sound like sour grapes from you.  He has to be a big boy and make his choice.  We'll see what life teaches him and what he allows himself to grow into.




crouchingtigress -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 8:48:38 AM)

 
i think he maybe using this broken heart jadedness to let you down softly, i think being a slave is not him, the relationship is more then he can deal with, mostly because you want more then he wants to give, which is a lot of pressureand although he is a great communicator he is having trouble telling you that this relationship is not working for him, long term, and because he loves you and does not want to hurt you, he is using his broken heart jadedness as the catalyst or a crutch for making the changes in his life he feels compelled to make.





MasterFireMaam -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 9:08:39 AM)

I understand where you're coming from. I'm in a similar situation. However, there's really no advice that we can give to help you solve the problem or deal with it any better than you already have done for yourself. If staying in the relationship as it is is not healthy for you, then you must move on, or change it, as you have. You also have the choice of keeping a door open for him if he's ever willing to go where you need him to go...or closing it firmly. Neither is easy.

Master Fire




MsBlackheart -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 11:18:41 AM)

Thanks for the replies.  One of my hangups is being fair, which is usually a good thing, but what has me flummoxed this time is that in being fair to myself, I had to give up something I wanted.  I didn't have it, either way.  It's a bitter pill to swallow.  I don't like that it made me feel vulnerable, in that I bent some rules, and ashamed, for fooling myself into believing I could live without the D/s, even though I did it for what felt like the right reasons at the time.  I want to be someone who is under constant self-examination, and exploring personal growth, but grrr it stings when you have to admit that you willfully made a mistake.

I only want...EVERYTHING.

MsB




BeachMystress -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 12:29:32 PM)

We are all a collection of our baggage. Even with work to overcome it, it can still rear its nasty head for a long time. The worse the blow was to our psyche, the longer it takes to get over, and if this girl was the first time someone had broken your boy's trust, it might be a lifetime of problems for him. He let himself be vulnerable and got stomped upon. Likely, he'll get over it in a few more years, but.. you shouldn't have to put yourself through his healing time. You've dealt with your own demons and troubles in the past. Remain his friend. Perhaps in a few years he'll be ready to resume the relationship on your terms of being submissive. Also, I've seen it happen that once the other person realizes how much they wanted the relationship, losing it lets them make the changes needed to keep/resume the relationship. You can not count on these, however. You need to get on with living your life in a positive manner for yourself. You deserve a relationship that makes you happy in all ways, not just one that is "good enough." Kudos to you for you for not settling! I refused to settle for what passed as submissive around my area (shopping list subs, role players, newbies with a fantasy, toppers from below, men who wanted easy sex) and was willing to give up the lifestyle before settling for half the loaf. After frustration, pain and disillusionment, I finally found my perfect boy. He wasn't just good enough or almost exactly what I wanted.. he is everything I want. Sometimes it makes me sick to my stomach to think I might never have found him if I'd have settled for some of my prior subs. Some of the priors were good relationships. They just weren't perfect. I felt I had the right to hold out for someone who truly fit me to a T and because of that have been rewarded (after years of searching) with a sub who not only fulfills all of my emotional needs, but all of my physical and mental ones as well! I know ending a good relationship is painful. You have my thoughts and hopes for your future. Hang in there, let yourself heal from this disappointment and then go out and search for THE ONE again.




BeachMystress -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 12:33:17 PM)

Oh, and yes, I do feel you should point out to him that she is still controlling/manipulating him. We all need to come to the realization that by reacting to other people and what they do to us, we are giving them control of us. No one can "make" you angry. You choose to get angry in response to what they do or say. Taking responsibility for your own thoughts and feelings is a huge part of growing up and maturing. It is a hard lesson to learn. Being presented with the idea at his age will hopefully be good for him.




cloudboy -> RE: Is she still controlling him? (2/21/2007 10:09:49 PM)

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He says people who rely on each other are crazy and it's not good to let someone matter that much to you.


Pessimism can be quite self limiting. According to the book I've been reading, pessimism has three components:

Permanence
Pervasiveness
Personalization


As you described your boyfriend, he had all of these things in spades regarding love. Having lost love or experienced it gone bad one time, he thereafter decided that: risk, vulnerability, dependence, trust, fusion, and passion were things he had to refuse himself and others.

He translated a one time bad experience into something permant (love is doomed as opposed to some love relationships fail), pervasive (I will not risk love with anyone else in any situation as opposed to I will guard my heart until I meet the right person), and personal (I failed at love --- as opposed my one relationship did not work out.)

Maybe you would have had more success had you not been his rebound relationship and had he more recovered from his bad experience. Then his pessimistic thinking might have been more maleable to his real possibilities with you.

The one strategy you could employ, and which seems you did employ, was to try and see the world differently --- and to not make long lasting decisions and judgments based on bad past experiences which are unrelated to the present and future.





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