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Caning - 2/21/2007 9:24:02 PM

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A. In a discussion w/ my Mistress we had a disagreement.

She says she once attended a caning workshop, wherein she was told, "Its all in the arm."

Myself, being a tennis player and golfer, but one who has never weilded a cane disagreed. I said, "it should all be in the wrist."

In sports (which should translate into the cane as well) torque and speed are generated by one's release, be it throwing a ball, hitting a serve, or driving a golf ball. Yes the arm moves, but the wrist stays cocked half way through the swing and then releases through the hitting zone generating the real speed and force (whip) into the zone. Timing the release, therefore, is more important than swinging hard with the arm, and releasing the wrist is more important than swinging the arm widely or with speed. In fact, swinging the arm hard can actually take away from one's release --- making one exert more force with less effect. Hence the terms overthrowing (baseball) and overswinging (golf) and serving too fast (tennis.)

If two people were instructed to swing the cane: 1) wrist only and 2) arm only with the wrist locked all the way --- #1 would generate more speed in my estimation. Ideally one combines the two, with an emphasis on release, not arm speed.

Does anyone here care to comment?

Who is right here? How do you swing a cane? Is there such a thing as the proper way to do it? What are the factors in your technique. How much space do you require to swing one to your own satisfaction?

B. I was also instructed to ask, what positions do you prefer for this activity? (Sub's and Dom's encouraged to reply.)

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 9:26:12 PM

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Depends on how long you want to keep going, how hard, how big and heavy the cane is and what sort of mark you want to leave.

Generally, I do the wrist, saves energy and allows more accuracy- canes don't need that much strength to make a good impact.

I generally prefer them laying prone if I'm focusing on caning- either on their backs or stomachs depending on what area I want to target.

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 9:26:48 PM

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bein a tennis playa i pretty much swing a cane like i m lobbin a tennis ball. i don't think about how exactly i m doin it. of course i like da sub to be leaned ova the arm of my sofa and i want to be gettin that azz nice and red n warmed up 4 whats cummin next

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 9:29:59 PM

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So, you like to swing straight down, as opposed to horizontally. Interesting. The wrist is more accuate because it involves the hands in the live action, so your accuracy comment was a good point.

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 9:37:24 PM

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I have found that using your wrist gives more of a stinging sensation and arm more of a thud (if you can call it that). Again, it's all about preferences, of course. It also depends on the amount of force that is intended to be applied.

As the canee, I prefer to be lying down so that it's more difficult to tense up. As the caner, my Daddy prefers me bent over for the view and the tippy toe dance. See, it's all about preferences again.

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 10:06:25 PM

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I would say since canes are usually lighter and more flexible
than other impact instruments, the wrist is more important.

If you are working a flogger or a heavy paddle, the arm and back
muscles come into play more.

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 10:34:29 PM

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As others above had said, I prefer to focus efforst on the wrist rather then using the whole arm, as I feel it gives me better control - over both accuracy of target and degree/strength of the blow. Personally, I think the sting of a cane is not the sort of impact play that requires a full arm swing; I think the intensity can be gotten from proper wrist action.

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 10:59:29 PM

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the first time that someone used a cane on me, unfortunately, neither one of us knew much....he wound up and put his arm, back and pretty much his whole body into it, and it left a welt, cut me, and i screamed for the first time ever in my life....and I'm not a screamer! (And i've given birth!) Since then, i've been very reluctant to try it again........brought everything pretty much to an end, because it pissed me off....weird reaction to some, but all I saw was red. Scared him too......

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RE: Caning - 2/21/2007 11:01:38 PM

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I would think that swinging from the arm when caning, or even cropping, would cause alot of energy to be wasted and the physical damage could be extensive......... The beauty (imo) of a cane or crop is it's swift and cutting ability so I have never used them in a manner other than what they seem naturally fitted. Now a flogger, strap, whip and paddle-- the arm dominates.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 7:22:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: soultoshare

the first time that someone used a cane on me, unfortunately, neither one of us knew much....he wound up and put his arm, back and pretty much his whole body into it, and it left a welt, cut me, and i screamed for the first time ever in my life....and I'm not a screamer! (And i've given birth!) Since then, i've been very reluctant to try it again........brought everything pretty much to an end, because it pissed me off....weird reaction to some, but all I saw was red. Scared him too......

O, Gosh, that sounds like a nightmare first experience. The rule of thumb with the cane (irony there) or probaly any form of impact play, is to break in slowly to acclimate.

BTW, I love it when subs get pissed off.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 7:25:12 AM

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I disagree with both of you - I think it's all in the attitude.

I'm sorry. I was funnin' 'ya - I know nothing about caning and am not qualified to answer.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 7:37:51 AM

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Definitely the wrist action. You only need to draw your arm back about two feet at most and make the cane whip with your wrist to bring up some glorious welts and get the subject giving out a good hollering (assuming they aren't gagged that is). That is my experience anyway.

Each to their own I suppose though.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 8:03:11 AM

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This is turning into a very educational thread on Caning for me, I must say.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 10:57:01 AM

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It depends on the style that you're trying for. If Lady Hugs doesn't post about it, email her on the other side and see if she will share some of her knowledge about the different styles. They differ in three main areas from what I understand: where the stroke begins, how the cane is held and how the cane is moved through the air.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 11:07:36 AM

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I use a variety of canes, from the thickish bamboo Indonesia-style canes to the very thin fiberglass sorts. Naturally, different items get different results.

The lengthier the implement, the more 'arm' will be needed. For the most part, however, the consensus that the wrist is adequate is correct.

Positions (for the target) I use are standing or lying on stomach. I have never used the 'typical' British 'stand and grab your ankles' method. With the skin stretched tight in that manner there would certainly be more pain involved (which might not necessarily be a bad thing).

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 11:10:30 AM

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Ok, now that I posted about Lady Hugs, let me try to explain some of the physics behind percussion toys like canes, paddles and anything else that can be used in a similar fashion.

When you use your wrist, the wrist becomes a pivot point, meaning it works like a hinge. Thus, the cane is moving through the air much like a door swings on the hinge. The tip that is farthest from the wrist is travelling faster and so it has more energy (specifically kinetic energy). Transferring that energy into the body is what causes a welt. The less energy you put into the cane, the less damage it will do (and vice versa!). To control the cane using this motion you can do several things:
1) Choke up on it. Think of how much easier a wide door slams than a narrow door. Same idea...the shorter the cane, the less energy it can build up (for science geeks, this is based on torque).
2) Don't pull the cane back so far. If you have a door open about 2 inches, you don't have time to put a lot of energy into it in order to slam the door. It's much easier (and more satisfying) to slam a door that's wide open because you have time to follow through and really get the door moving. Same with the cane.
3) Don't swing it so fast if you want a lighter tap. This is like the difference between getting a door to gently shut after giving it a push and getting the door to slam after a hard push.

When you use your arm, you are spreading the energy out along a longer area, so that when the cane strikes, the energy is more uniform and isn't concentrated so much at the tip. All of the cane travels pretty much at the same speed (and thus has the same energy). I use this a lot for wooden paddles when I'm doing both cheeks...I've just got this thing about symmetry and this pops both cheeks in a fair even manner.

I keep wanting to work up a "Physics of BDSM" lecture. How many science nerds do we have in the house? LOL

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 11:15:44 AM

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quote:

MasterFireMaam: I keep wanting to work up a "Physics of BDSM" lecture. How many science nerds do we have in the house? LOL

I would love to hear this.

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RE: Caning - 2/22/2007 11:17:54 AM

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I think it's more a matter of STYLE..... as was previously said, using the whole arm, body, wrist etc... produces a different effect, as will the diameter, weight and material of the cane, and the weight and strength of the wielder. Some people may also want to look more flamboyant or dramatic depending on the circumstances of the play as well.

Personally, i would say i mostly use wrist, for the control.....

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