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MasterC70 -> A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 6:57:00 AM)

I have a question. As I understand it (at least in theory) a slave is the property of his/her Master/Mistress and as such he/she has no right of ownership to anything.  Not the clothes on his/her back or anything else that falls under the heading of "property."  Even their "time" really belongs to their Master/Mistress.  So if they waste their Master/Mistresses time in some way then shouldn't they face some sort of punishment for that?  The question is what form of punishment is best in such situations?  I realize that in real life things aren't quite that simple of course, because things do happen, but I'd like to hear suggestions from other Dom's/Domme's/Masters/Mistresses on what they think is appropriate punishment in such situations.  Thank you.



SusanofO -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:02:29 AM)

I am not a Dominant, but will venture an answer here...I think it all depends on what kind of a premium you, as a Master, put on time.

Is time built into your slave's schedule for any relaxation at all? Or, is she doing chores and caring for you practically 24/7?

Did she promise you she'd get some task done in a certain amount of time, and then not complete it by then?

Can you give a little more detail about the kind of situation you're asking about?
Or is this just a general question?

Personally, I think it is part of a Dominant's responsibility to try to ensure a submissive has enough rest to function properly, and also a bit of time for relaxation and fun. Otherwise, even though I have quite a bit of stamina, I can find my enthusiasm (and my physical body) waning.


On the other hand, if I'd promised my Dominant I'd do X within a certain time frame, and didn't do it, I'd think he'd have a right to discipline or punish me, unless I had an excellent excuse.

- Susan



SirDominic -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:06:22 AM)

Hello,
First of all, your initial premise is flawed. You said "As I understand it a slave is the property of his/her Master/Mistress and as such he/she has no right of ownership to anything. Not the clothes on his/her back or anything else that falls under the heading of "property." Even their "time" really belongs to their Master/Mistress."

Not that these situations do not exist; they do. But it is rather on the extreme end of the spectrum. How much a slave belongs to her Master and whether her belongings go to him are variables that are different; ask any ten people, and you will get ten different answers. In my case, for example, I own my slave, but allow her retain control of her money, her finances, her family relations and her personal friends.

So it really boils down to the relationship you have set up and agreed to with your slave. If your slave has agreed that her time is yours, and you feel she is not using it to your liking, you have the right to punish her for it. What that punishment is, again, everyone's opinion will be different. Best advise I can offer is to try and make the punishment fit the crime, as it were. If it was a minor transgression, keep it light. If it is an ongoing issue, you are going to have to be harsher. But before you do any of that, have you sat down with her and told her about this situation? A simple talk that this is how you expect her to use her time could be all that is needed.

Namaste, Sir Dominic



MasterC70 -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:10:57 AM)

Thanks.  I won't deny that my premise might be flawed a bit, though I did put (at least in theory) in (  )'s.    Everyone makes errors on occasion, and of course I can see how every M/s couple is different.  Life is an eternal learning experience I think no matter which side of the relationship you are on. 



juliaoceania -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:14:56 AM)

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I have a question. As I understand it (at least in theory) a slave is the property of his/her Master/Mistress and as such he/she has no right of ownership to anything.


Some people believe that, but many do not. I have read many slaves that retain access to their own bank accounts and keep at least part of their own pay. So the premise of this entire post is slightly off in my opinion.


quote:

 Even their "time" really belongs to their Master/Mistress.  So if they waste their Master/Mistresses time in some way then shouldn't they face some sort of punishment for that?  The question is what form of punishment is best in such situations?


"Time wasting" is a very subjective thing. I think that everyone would have a different idea of what wastes their time. And as far as punishments go, what deserves punishment is also a subjective thing and everyone will have a different idea of what deserves punishment.




SimplyMichael -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:16:35 AM)

Frankly, someone as inexperienced as you has zero business dealing with someone on this level.



toservez -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:17:58 AM)

The first part is flawed like Sir Dominic wrote perfectly. Certainly some live or think they live this way but most M/s do not and certainly when reality of life, the world and laws smack you in the face you will see the difference between reality and theory.

Certainly a slave intentionally or unintentionally wasting the time of their Master with no or poor reasons is an offense that is punishable, how to punish is up to the events and the two people are. Is it a bad habit and punishment needs to be done in a way to correct a habit and not just do a penance punishment. Was it an isolated thing and punishment is just for penance. What works best for the slave to understand, accept and correct the behavior. What works best for the Master for him to let go and forgive once the punishment is over. All these factors come into play.

I do not have any specific punishments that directly address about wasting my Master’s time and for it to be a corrective punishment but I am sure others can help out.



tade -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:35:12 AM)

Our slave doesn't live with us. She has her own condo, her own car and her own money. We don't keep any of her pay. She comes over and keeps our house clean, serves as our "built in babysitter" and drops anything when she gets our phonecall. We are very proud that she "functions" on her own and doesn't need her entire life micromanaged by us. Having said that we do keep track of things like whether her bills are being paid, how many days she take off from work, ect among the other sexually related tasks and even including her dating habits. (Yes we allow her to date, but we do get to choose which ones she "keeps" and which ones she doesn't and the sadistic glee that comes from answering the phone at midnight and telling her it's getting late, no he can't stay over can not be put into words).

A punishment for her would be not allowing her to come over here as often, not calling her to check on her and the like. She's a pain slut and a spanking would only re-enforce her bad behavior. Every sub/slave is different and what will work as a punishment is just as different. Figuring out what will work is part of the fun.

I get where you are coming from on her wasting your time. Everything she does is a reflection on you, good and bad. Just let her know what behavior you don't want to see and then give her the chance to change it. You may be surprised at how little punishment is actually needed. Most submissives want to please their Dominants and slaves even more so. Hope some of that helped... 



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:35:27 AM)

Property yes however the things I give them gives me pleasure so therefore are theirs to keep...AS far a wasting my time they know the door to my office is open for any thing that arises.That way I have a handle on what goes one..IFyou have those that waste your time then perhaps you aren't keeping them busy enought.you know what they say about idle hands smile...BH



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:35:44 AM)

Good gracious, what's with all the punishment talk lately?  If people put as much energy into solid communication and clear expectations BEFOREHAND, they wouldn't have to spend nearly so much time worrying about punishments AFTERWARDS.



Celeste43 -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:50:24 AM)

What LA said. Of course that would require them to have an adult relationship with people who they liked and enjoyed spending time with and talking to.



pissdoll -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 7:57:37 AM)

if a fitting punishment doesn't come to your own mind, is a punishment really warranted?



MasterC70 -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 8:45:21 AM)

I did say "in theory" after all.  As one person pointed out I am still inexperienced and am trying to learn.  Hence the question in the first place.  After all even the most experienced Dom/Domme/Master/Mistress had to start somewhere.  I know that total ownership of a slave to that degree is probably impossible, and even if it weren't it would still be impracticle to manage.  I'd guess that most people can't even control everything in their own lives completly after all.  I asked the question because I am wise enough to know that I don't know everything to paraphrase the ancient greek quote.  :)



toservez -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 9:32:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterC70

I did say "in theory" after all.  As one person pointed out I am still inexperienced and am trying to learn.  Hence the question in the first place.  After all even the most experienced Dom/Domme/Master/Mistress had to start somewhere.  I know that total ownership of a slave to that degree is probably impossible, and even if it weren't it would still be impracticle to manage.  I'd guess that most people can't even control everything in their own lives completly after all.  I asked the question because I am wise enough to know that I don't know everything to paraphrase the ancient greek quote.  :)


Personally the fact that you admit to not knowing everything and you apparently think before you act is quite attractive and a great positive. You can learn and grown on your own pace with your slave. The right match is a right match.

Don’t let others people’s jealously or need to quantify their ego get to you. Anyone or any type of group can get torn down by pointing out examples that are the exception to the norm and it is especially easy in cyber space.

Your path is your own.



MagiksSlave -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 9:54:31 AM)

Honestly this looks like someone is fishing for reasons to punish  Also what you described as many have said isnt the absalute in fact it is the exeption not the rule.. every Master slave relationship is different. I had more to say but I was rambling so I erased it [8D]

Magik's rambling slave



hisannabelle -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 1:28:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC70

I have a question. As I understand it (at least in theory) a slave is the property of his/her Master/Mistress and as such he/she has no right of ownership to anything.  Not the clothes on his/her back or anything else that falls under the heading of "property."  Even their "time" really belongs to their Master/Mistress.  So if they waste their Master/Mistresses time in some way then shouldn't they face some sort of punishment for that?  The question is what form of punishment is best in such situations?  I realize that in real life things aren't quite that simple of course, because things do happen, but I'd like to hear suggestions from other Dom's/Domme's/Masters/Mistresses on what they think is appropriate punishment in such situations.  Thank you.


since this is in general and not in ask a master/mistress, i thought i'd respond. a lot of people see things differently, or don't worry about micromanaging their slave's time, even though they may identify as owner and property. we identify as owner and property, but He doesn't control my finances (although He can if He wishes and has been involved in the past), and i am responsible for my own bills and paycheck, my apartment, etc. i am a huge procrastinator and have a penchant for wasting time every now and then. He considers my time to be my own, although in the spirit of it being His, i try to spend my free time constructively, and i certainly keep up with schoolwork and work work because He expects it of me and i expect it of myself. i think it depends on what you mean by wasting time, really. a lot of people would consider my online interactions on other boards as "wasting time," but it's something that i've built important friendships and connections over and it's something that stimulates my interest, so He doesn't consider it as such. a lot of people would consider me laying on the bed watching tv/movies as wasting time, but i rarely have a chance to breathe or relax and so He approves of that when i'm doing it alone and we often do it together.

i agree with susan that it's really important that a slave have built-in time for themselves, or if their schedules aren't managed by their owners (mine isn't), that they are ordered or encouraged to take time for themselves.

generally, if He feels i'm not taking enough time for my schoolwork or doing things that are important, He makes it clear that He feels that way. the only thing He's ever really punished me before was for not taking time to write Him more detailed emails about my thoughts when we were both very busy and unable to get together as often as we usually do.

in a nutshell: it really depends on how you define wasting time. i'd be curious to hear how you (the op, masterc70) define it.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 1:34:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC70

I have a question. As I understand it (at least in theory) a slave is the property of his/her Master/Mistress and as such he/she has no right of ownership to anything.  Not the clothes on his/her back or anything else that falls under the heading of "property." 

This is not written in stone and is only valid for you if you decide it is.

quote:

Even their "time" really belongs to their Master/Mistress.  So if they waste their Master/Mistresses time in some way then shouldn't they face some sort of punishment for that? 

Depends on if you feel they should. Would the punishment waste even MORE time?

quote:

The question is what form of punishment is best in such situations?  I realize that in real life things aren't quite that simple of course, because things do happen, but I'd like to hear suggestions from other Dom's/Domme's/Masters/Mistresses on what they think is appropriate punishment in such situations.  Thank you.

It can vary. You can have them do the task NOW, no matter what time or what task.
You can withdraw your time from them since they seem so apt to waste it, too. You can have someone else do the task...this only works if you have someone wired in such a way that someone else doing this service for you would be a punishment. It wouldn't work if they're simply trying to get out of taking out the trash and they're happy to have someone else do it (in other words, you have to be able to "shame" them).
You can give them a task that is boring and tedious like picking up a bag of rice spilled on the floor with tweezers.
Or, you can simply ignore bad behavior and not interact with them until the bad behavior is corrected.

Master Fire



subsa -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 1:45:16 PM)

i'd like some clarification here.  do you mean that the slave wasted the Master's time as in truely his time.  or do you meant the slave wasted their own time which belonged to the Master by virtue of their submission?  for example...if the slave wasted the Master's time by not being ready to leave at a previously arrange point and the Master had to wait; that's the former.  if the slave spent too much time on the computer (lol); it's the latter.  in my situation (althoug i'm a sub not slave) the former would be fairly serious.  my Master hates to be late.  my punishments usually involve a withdrawl of His time and attention.  He'd probably spend the next evening working or on the computer and have very little interaction with me.  but only one night as it wouldn't be that serious.  a more serious infraction might result in a whole weekend alone.  of course he would point out why he was doing it and how much he would have rather spend the time with me.  the latter (spending too much time on the computer) in and of itself would not be that big of an infraction.  unless he had told me to do something that didn't get done.  barring that He would probably just remind me that the thing to be remembered  is 'all things in moderation'.  we'd prbably go through my list of things to do and He'd point out what i could have done instead. but so long as my duties were fulfilled it's really up to me how i spend my time. 



LadyPact -> RE: A question on punishment for wasting Owner's time (2/22/2007 1:53:28 PM)

The answer is simple.  If it was truely such a serious infraction as a waste of the Owner's time (not free time, fun time, or anything of the like) the resulting punishment should be witholding some of the Owner's time from the sub, to teach them just how precious time itself is.  Many subs base their world on what time can be granted them by their Master/Mistress, and to take away even a little can be a grave punishment.  Since this is such a severe punishment, My advice would be to first ensure that they know exactly what they are being punished for and when it will happen.  Don't let it be a knee jerk reation.  When that scheduled time comes around, do not allow any outside distraction.  It's not time to run off and catch a movie.  They should sit and be conscious of what the time would have meant to them.  It sounds a bit on the harsh side, and I am seldom harsh, but it is not a lesson that will have to be repeated often.
 
Lady Pact



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