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petstorm -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (2/27/2007 9:00:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dicipline2 quote: ORIGINAL: petstorm i'm just gonna throw this out there, then leave it alone... i'm naturally submissive. i believe in the opposite of this, as in it's more natural for a man to be dominant. There are exceptions to every rule, and we all must follow our own natures. And i also respect those who choose to kneel. However, being the submissive that i am, and knowing how miserable i'd be if i were above a man, i would see that man as being weak. In other words, you want the one sided M/f and anything different seems "weak" or "wrong" ,whatever right? This is what totally irks me about femsubs besides the fact that they top from the bottom, as others have mentioned. Another thing that irks me is the doms who are of the same opinion and are probably slightly homophobic, not that male subs are gay or cant be. As a general rule, and hopefully one that avoids issues with femsubs and male doms in the future, I dont think your orientation has anything to do with being submissive or Dominant. I also dont think that the "gorean golden rule" where it is "natural" and "normal" for women to be submissive to men should be universally accepted as gospel. Nor should the opposite way be accpeted as gospel. Thats where the BDSM community gets divided because each side tends to want to force its view on the other. Well, its a waste of time. As far as female supriority, it is kind of silly in a way. Its just like the M/f groups who think everyone should be like them. As a male sub I think women should be treated with respect. femsubs? same thing. Sorry gals, Im not going to bottom dom you to fulfill your fantasy of "strong men rule over weaker women" and I would expect the same from them. As a general rule, just dont interfere or enforce views on a Master/Mistress or their subs. Interesting that you would highlight the line that you have a problem with. We're each entitled to our own feelings and opinions. It just so happens that the Gorean Philosophy does suit what i have always personally felt, even long before i knew anything about D/s or Gor. And i did say i respect those who choose to kneel. The fact that you're getting bent over that is rather... amusing, and somewhat judgemental. If my opinion matters any at all, which in your eyes i'm sure it doesn't, i would say that you're the one throwing everyone into a stereo-type. "This is what totally irks me about femsubs besides the fact that they top from the bottom, as others have mentioned." So you're entitled to your views and i am not? Wow, for an open minded community, i'd say you forgot to open the door. But anyway... that being said, as i've said many times over the years, it's not about right or wrong. It's about finding a partner, or partners as some cases may be, that match what you need, want and desire. Finding a balance, and complimenting each other. As such, i found a man who feels the same way that i do. For these male submissives who see women as the superior gender, they're perfectly entitled to it and i respect them for the lifestyle choices they've made. Just don't try and push it on me, as i won't force my choices on them. Will they see me any differently because i believe something else? i doubt it. Will i see them any differently? Nope... i see them as men, who've chosen to kneel. Do i see them as week? Yes, but not as people. There's a difference you know. People are people, but we're not talking about people. We're talking about Masters/Mistresses, and submissives/slaves. We're talking about roles, and personal lifestyle preferences. Criticize me all you want for it, but at least i'm being honest. And quite frankly, i wouldn't be surprised if there were male submissive and slaves out there who didn't agree with me.

guy4u2rule -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (2/27/2007 7:56:38 PM)
well i am a sub male,,,,im not week in any way,,,,,,i work hard and at the end of the workday i want to serve,,,my superior,,,even tho i dont have one right now,,,,,women are strong in the head and always know what is best,,,just ask one,,,,hehe im just kidding,,,,,little jokey joke,,,,what i am trying to say after the day in the normal,,,i must be dom at work and i get so tired of it,,,,,and sence i was 12 and a older girle showed me the power she had over me i was hooked,,,,,i do think all women are over me in every way,,,,,even the submisive ones,,,,,and thats the way i like it,,,,thats the way i want it,,,,and 2 each there own,,,,,

AquaticSub -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (2/27/2007 8:14:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dicipline2 quote: ORIGINAL: petstorm i'm just gonna throw this out there, then leave it alone... i'm naturally submissive. i believe in the opposite of this, as in it's more natural for a man to be dominant. There are exceptions to every rule, and we all must follow our own natures. And i also respect those who choose to kneel. However, being the submissive that i am, and knowing how miserable i'd be if i were above a man, i would see that man as being weak. In other words, you want the one sided M/f and anything different seems "weak" or "wrong" ,whatever right? This is what totally irks me about femsubs besides the fact that they top from the bottom, as others have mentioned. Look at it this way - if a femsub is calling a malesub weak for being a sub, she is really just calling herself weak. After all, we do so love to go on about how much strength it takes to submit, to put our wills and desires aside... if we are women, it's all very noble but if we are men suddenly it's weak. eyeroll I'm not weak and I don't expect my male counterparts to be either.

Stephann -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (2/28/2007 12:46:16 PM)
It isn't a question of if all male subs are weak, or if all submissives or weak, or if there's anything involved here beyond weak coffee. petstorm's statement doesn't mean all male submissives are weak; she's saying that if she were in a relationship with a man who wished to be submissive to her, she would be unhappy. The reason for her unhappiness, is that she feels that men should be dominant with her, thus a man who actively seeks a submissive role in a D/s relationship with her would be seen as weak, by her. When we choose a role as dominant or submissive, we do so because of how we want to feel in a relationship. I wouldn't actively seek to be a male submissive, because I don't take nearly as much enjoyment from being dominated as I do from dominating. I don't see a woman who wants to be my superior to be 'weak' or 'bitchy' I just would see her as I see other people; equals until proven wrong. I imagine if I were to submit as a slave, I would be uncomfortable for the very reason pet stated; I would feel weak. Then again, I know more than a few submissives and slaves who enjoy being in a position where they feel weak. Stephan

babyboyk -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (3/1/2007 12:09:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann It isn't a question of if all male subs are weak, or if all submissives or weak, or if there's anything involved here beyond weak coffee. petstorm's statement doesn't mean all male submissives are weak; she's saying that if she were in a relationship with a man who wished to be submissive to her, she would be unhappy. The reason for her unhappiness, is that she feels that men should be dominant with her, thus a man who actively seeks a submissive role in a D/s relationship with her would be seen as weak, by her. When we choose a role as dominant or submissive, we do so because of how we want to feel in a relationship. I wouldn't actively seek to be a male submissive, because I don't take nearly as much enjoyment from being dominated as I do from dominating. I don't see a woman who wants to be my superior to be 'weak' or 'bitchy' I just would see her as I see other people; equals until proven wrong. I imagine if I were to submit as a slave, I would be uncomfortable for the very reason pet stated; I would feel weak. Then again, I know more than a few submissives and slaves who enjoy being in a position where they feel weak. Stephan just a thought, but, surely being a submissive can actually be in a strong position? what i mean is, i dont know if its true in every case, but the sub usually knows what he, or she wants, and it usually takes a heck of a lot of courage for a male sub to firstly admit his true nature to himself, before actually embarking on the road (usually way long, with plenty of blind alleys, and hairpin bends (cos there are players on both sides of the coin)) it seems to me, that being sub is not necessarily weak, but some guys enjoy the humiliation aspect of the lifestyle, but its not my cup of tea, to be honest

AquaticSub -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (3/1/2007 12:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann It isn't a question of if all male subs are weak, or if all submissives or weak, or if there's anything involved here beyond weak coffee. petstorm's statement doesn't mean all male submissives are weak; she's saying that if she were in a relationship with a man who wished to be submissive to her, she would be unhappy. The reason for her unhappiness, is that she feels that men should be dominant with her, thus a man who actively seeks a submissive role in a D/s relationship with her would be seen as weak, by her. When we choose a role as dominant or submissive, we do so because of how we want to feel in a relationship. I wouldn't actively seek to be a male submissive, because I don't take nearly as much enjoyment from being dominated as I do from dominating. I don't see a woman who wants to be my superior to be 'weak' or 'bitchy' I just would see her as I see other people; equals until proven wrong. I imagine if I were to submit as a slave, I would be uncomfortable for the very reason pet stated; I would feel weak. Then again, I know more than a few submissives and slaves who enjoy being in a position where they feel weak. Stephan My statement was less directed at petsub but the comment about femsubs thinking that male subs are weak. Her statement and the following simply gave it an opening.

Stephann -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (3/1/2007 1:01:36 PM)
Aquatic, I am a habitual fast reply user. I wasn't referring specifically to your comments, but rather to the general sentiment against her statements. I usually name people, directly, in my comments to them. babyboy, No question that real submission takes strength. I was referring to the view that some female submissives take, when viewing (and often not understanding) male submissives. Their perception is along gender lines, that a man is supposed to be A, B, and C; any man who doesn't meet these qualifications is considered inadequate. We can rail against these perceptions all we like, but that doesn't negate their impact. I dont see male submissives as being inherently weak, but I have known several male (and female) submissives who I considered to be submissive simply because they had weak personalities in the first place. I consider that to be a character flaw; but neither do I point fingers at every person who I feel doesn't meet my ideal for a submissive and call them on it, either, just as I don't look at someone on the street who chain smokes and attempt to tell him how 'wrong' I think he is. On the other hand, that doesn't mean this particular person would likely be someone I would be inclined to date, either. We will like what we like, we will love whom we will love, and the wheels on the bus go round and round.... Stephan

babyboyk -> RE: Male slaves & Female Supremacy (3/1/2007 1:10:27 PM)
thats true, Stephan, the world would be a very dull place, if we had just the one personality, we are who we are, though i guess some people choose to deal with their personallity in a different way, like some may decide to become a manager, or similar, and some people would not want that role for all the money in the world...... babyboyk

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