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Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 1:48:22 PM

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There was a situation presented here about a situation where the slave did not respond by a simple courtesy the Mistress felt should have been a given. I didn't check the age of the poster to gage about how old the slave might have been but males upon thinking about her situation I wondered.

There was a time mothers taught their males toe more genteel ways of interacting with women. The 60's went a bit over the top and pretty much killed it with women requesting them NOT to hold doors open or help with their chairs or pay the bill.

So I figure there has been 40 years where these genteel ways are all but forgotten.

To that Mistress I would say, he probably never learned so I'd cut him some slack and teach him what you want to have him do- then jump his shit if he drops the ball :)

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 1:53:40 PM

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In that thread he also chastised the Mistress for not being domly enough or some such thing. Something to the effect of he expected her to be bitchy and demanding.

Whatever the case may be, I expect common courtesy from anyone I relate to. If their momma didn't teach them good manners, as far as I am concerned it is their loss. I teach my own kids common courtesy and manners. I don't need to start over with an adult who has never learned such.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 1:56:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

There was a situation presented here about a situation where the slave did not respond by a simple courtesy the Mistress felt should have been a given. I didn't check the age of the poster to gage about how old the slave might have been but males upon thinking about her situation I wondered.

There was a time mothers taught their males toe more genteel ways of interacting with women. The 60's went a bit over the top and pretty much killed it with women requesting them NOT to hold doors open or help with their chairs or pay the bill.

So I figure there has been 40 years where these genteel ways are all but forgotten.

To that Mistress I would say, he probably never learned so I'd cut him some slack and teach him what you want to have him do- then jump his shit if he drops the ball :)

I totally disagree with this post. I am 42y/o and have two teenage children. I have taught both of them proper ettiquitte (sp) and manners. I insist that my son open doors for his g/f, pull out her chair for her and help her with her coat and all the other things a gentleman does. I also taught my daughter that she should expect her b/f to do the same for her.
I have many friends that also teach their children proper manners. Age doesn't play into it as much as who your parents are and how they teach you. Some people just lack class.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 2:21:30 PM

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Some people just lack class.

You are singing to the choir here! AMEN! Even if not taught nice manners at home, almost every child watches TV. They are bombarded with images of how people "in love" act and how people act on dates. We even teach people how to deal with first time sexual encounters via prime time TV. There is no way that someone is not aware of basic manners, whether they choose to use them or not. I have no clue what post prompted this thread, but in my opinion, anyone old enough to submit is old enough to practice "pretty manners."

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 2:39:24 PM

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In that thread he also chastised the Mistress for not being domly enough or some such thing. Something to the effect of he expected her to be bitchy and demanding.

Don't you think that's the usual male defense mechanism though? :)

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 2:42:31 PM

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I totally disagree with this post. I am 42y/o and have two teenage children. I have taught both of them proper ettiquitte (sp) and manners. I insist that my son open doors for his g/f, pull out her chair for her and help her with her coat and all the other things a gentleman does. I also taught my daughter that she should expect her b/f to do the same for her.
I have many friends that also teach their children proper manners. Age doesn't play into it as much as who your parents are and how they teach you. Some people just lack class.

You were born in that time I speak of. Did your parents teach you or were just observant and taught yourself?

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 2:51:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: porthuronsub

I totally disagree with this post. I am 42y/o and have two teenage children. I have taught both of them proper ettiquitte (sp) and manners. I insist that my son open doors for his g/f, pull out her chair for her and help her with her coat and all the other things a gentleman does. I also taught my daughter that she should expect her b/f to do the same for her.
I have many friends that also teach their children proper manners. Age doesn't play into it as much as who your parents are and how they teach you. Some people just lack class.

You were born in that time I speak of. Did your parents teach you or were just observant and taught yourself?

Actually, my dad sucked as a parent. My mom tried to instill good manners and I probably got some from her. I think I picked it up from observance (grandparents and family friends) and at school and such.
I do agree that it is a dying art form so to speak. That applies to manners in general. I love it when I see a younger person assist an elderly person at the store, or hold the door open for people that are behind them entering a restaurant. Things like that make me feel that all is not lost. We have got to find a way to teach the children of classless parents proper etiquitte. Perhaps Morey and Springer will host a show..."Boyfriends that held the door for the girlfriends". Nope that will never happen-not enough drama.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 4:58:36 PM

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I have to agree with you,i believe i was born at least fifty to seventy years to late,but i carn't turn the clock back.I think in some ways i have been very lucky,that my first Mistress (when i was in my twenties) was some thirty years older than myself,and was still protocol aware,both in the vanilla and BDSM sides.Something and someone i really miss!.
I was raised in a strict household,respect,manners ect,so i now exspect to give and recieve of such,but it seems that the PC movement has destroyed,most of what we live for.
I have to say i blame most of the decline in standards on the fem gender.there is a fair percentage of fems,who simply don't now how to handle or except simple protocols anymore.I for one find that sad.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 5:23:28 PM

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Don't you think that's the usual male defense mechanism though? :)

LOL. True enough.

I was born in 1970. Both my brother and I were taught manners. I have two boys. They are taught manners. I have lots of friends with kids. Most of them are taught manners. I really don't think manners have completely gone by the wayside as far as what is and is not socially acceptable. I think some choose not to utilize them. Some parents also choose not to teach them. But I don't think there is a general, overall ignorance of them. But then, that's just my opinion. :)

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 5:29:42 PM

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Hello Lotus, I just responded to a nice message from our resident benji.
He is an example of the lost protocols that many young people are not learning.
Many mothers are not teaching their children manners, it is a problem.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 5:39:18 PM

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Hello Lotus, I just responded to a nice message from our resident benji.
He is an example of the lost protocols that many young people are not learning.
Many mothers are not teaching their children manners, it is a problem.

There's a great rule about proper behaviour: When you know the rules, you know which ones you can break.

I know them, and I know that in a medium such as an online forum, anyone who minds my comments can go peel bananas.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 5:45:27 PM

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lol, ignoring the 2 year old right now.
Go play with the other little 2 year olds.

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RE: Lost Protocols - 2/25/2007 5:49:47 PM

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(Ignoring works best when not done in a play by play directed at the ignored)

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