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CreatfreeAccount -> Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 7:13:23 PM)

Recently, I sat down with my financial advisor slave, for my annual review.  She recommended an Annuity for my portfolio.  She thought it best that my other slave start this on my behalf.  What are your feelings on annuities, any positive or negative experiences?




moki1984 -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 7:16:41 PM)

ohhh i want a financial advisor slave lol...i think i need one




SilverShadows -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 7:47:46 PM)

As an investor I would suggest the advise you get here will be worth what you pay for it. Nothing. And I never give investment advise free or not. I am even hesitant to discuss my stratagy.




juliaoceania -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 7:49:48 PM)

I think you should diversify your slave holdings and get a tax accountant slave and a real estate broker slave




gooddogbenji -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 8:01:10 PM)

I always listen to those spam e-mails I get.  More efficient than finding a slave.

Yours,


benji




Termyn8or -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 8:13:53 PM)

If you have enough money to worry about, and believe me I know what that means, you need tangibles first.

I am not talking about if the shit hits the fan, I am talking about when. The economy (if you are in the US) is about ready for a big downturn, and money is the worst thing you can have. If you're really rolling in it I would look into property outside the US. I would also look into property in the US, stocked with water, fuel and non-perishables. These properties can serve as little getaways in the meantime, but they will buck inflation. No annuity or fund or anything gets ahead of inflation usually.

I don't mean the published figures. Look in the paper and see what a house costs. See what a car really costs, and I don't mean per month. There is a figure, the total cost of the car, look at it, it is astronomical. The cars ain't worth shit, but then the problem is that the dollars ain't worth shit.

Understand one thing if you can, everything that is out there costs the same as it ever has. There really is no such thing as infaltion, what we have is a deflation of the currency. Once you fully understand that you can make better informed decisions.

Bought a house for $20,000 in 89. It is still worth only slightly more than that in 1989 dollars. But it is worth over three times that in 2007 dollars. Probably more once the eternal remodeling projects are done.

The point is, it is not the property that changed value, it is the dollars.

Therefore I am against annuities, retirement funds, all that. Working I want all my money now and I shall invest it as I see fit, whether I invest in petrol, propane, ammunition, machine tools, water, food. It is amazinhg to me how people could have all kind of money and not get the basics covered. A four wheel drive, another deepfreeze full of meat. Spices, unrefined seasalt. A tract of arable land, hopefully with a well with potable water.

Other than that, if you relly want to gamble (it's only money) there is the stock market. Get familiar with stock shorting. Short stocks of companies in high risk businesses. Short Haliburton in 2008 for example. If someone would've shorted Union Carbide a few decades ago they would've made a shitload of money after what happened in India. Then of course afterward to actually buy the stock once the crisis is over. Then you ride it back up.

Profiteering on human suffering ? Absolutely. Wrong ? You decide. I don't care, somebody is going to make the money. The investment industry as it stands today is immoral. It makes money off the backs of hard workers, and takes money that rightly belongs in their paycheck. That is fact. Don't invest ? I never said that.

All I am saying is if you get into the stock market, don't get eaten by the wolves. Don't take anyone's advice. Even mine. Tell you what though, I might just get an account and short the living shit out of Haliburton, I think they are in for a fall that makes the humpty dumpty problem look like a paper cut. With a Democratic controlled congress and house, I think this to be a safe prediction.

Problem is timing. Gotta figure out just when the big boys are going to dump their Haliburton. You short it the day before and you can win a bit.

If you don't understand short selling, get to. Crazy part is you don't need that much money.

T




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 9:35:43 PM)

Annuity is good, life insurance too, and a good diversified portfolio works- depending on your age risk tolerance and need for liquidity, some mix of stocks and mutual funds.

Also depending on how rich you are, you should definitely HAVE a 401(k)- either through the company you work for or start one for your company if you're the owner.  Or even a 412(i) with life insurance and annuities as part of them, but they can get pretty complicated so make sure you have a very good HR person along with your advisor.




DominantEngineer -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 9:44:25 PM)

annuities are disliked by clark howard and variable annuites are hated by him as well. But what I look for are the retruns on any investment. do they excede inflation. How much do the management fees eat into my profits. the two big questions you need to ask. No investment is worth shit if it is not aable to exceed inflation.




subfever -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 10:15:16 PM)

LA hit several key points. Liquidity is a key.

Keep in mind that once your funds are invested into an annuity, you will have a 10% federal penalty hanging over your head if you distribute the funds to yourself as a withdrawal, prior to age 59 1/2.

Generally speaking, the only way to avoid the penalty on distributed withdrawals prior to age 59 1/2 is to annuitize your funds and accept a life income. When you do this, you forfeit your lump sum accumulated value, and your choice is irrevocable.

Your profile mentions that you are 40 years old. 19 years is a long time. Unless you are out of debt, and have already have accumulated other liquid savings equal to at least 6 and preferably 12 months of total living expenses, and also have a need for tax deferral, I would think twice before investing into an annuity.  




domiguy -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 10:30:36 PM)

Well I can speak from experience  I fucked the shit out of Anne Uwitty and it was cool...But the bitch could stand to drop a few pounds.

Now whether you want to put some of your hard earned dough into one depends on where your money is right now? Never put qualified money in one. Variable annuities usually have high "hidden fees plus mortality charges" and you don't get to participate in any capital gains...Bummer!  They offer deferred earnings but that benefit may be outwieghed by the costs and drawbacks..,Fixed annuities, tax deferred growth, are for the conservative person...Who has long term cash stashed in Money markets,CD's,passbook or credit union...and getting a 1099 on interest that they are currently not using or someone who is abhorrent to risk and is willing to have the money accumulate at a low interest rate....Lastly there are rules for distribution for all annuities...these are retirement accounts and cannot be touched w/o penalty if cash is removed prematurely.

Quite frankly when it comes to investing my Grand Domi always said, "Invest half of your money in women and booze and blow the rest."  He was a great man and wise man. (Domiguy wipes tear from his eye thinking of good ol' Grand Domi...God bless him)

Either way your slaves should work 24/7 so you can lollygag.  my advice...Grand Domi would be proud.




subfever -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 10:30:41 PM)

I agree that we're probably going to see some hard financial times ahead of us, including a downturn in the stock market. I also agree that it's smart to have the basics covered, and probably just as smart to have some alternative bartering method (such as silver coins) as insurance in the event that the monetary system collapses and renders paper currency valueless or near valueless.

But I can't go along with shorting Halliburton, unless you are using purely speculative funds that you can afford to lose. I'm not convinced that a Democratic congress will make any sudden changes. And even if they do, Iran is likely to be next on our "hit list" which would only cause Halliburton shares to keep rising. IMO, shorting Halliburton is a dice roll, at best.




subfever -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/25/2007 10:45:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverShadows

As an investor I would suggest the advise you get here will be worth what you pay for it. Nothing. And I never give investment advise free or not. I am even hesitant to discuss my stratagy.


Sometimes advice you pay for from "professionals" is worth nothing too. There's a lot of conventional wisdom out there which is being touted as fact. 

We all hear the disclaimer that "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." But at the same time, many of us fail to consider that "professionals" often have mindsets. Who trained them? How were they indoctrinated? What are their belief systems? etc.




Termyn8or -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/26/2007 1:42:36 AM)

Actually, having learned how to gamble from a Man named Watt, Haliburton really isn't what you short.

I misstated it actually. Haliburton might prove to do well for shorters, if their timing is right.

Actually if I had an account I would pick a bunch of companies to short. Among them would be those involved in the highest risk enterprises. All those who are dependent on a certain political climate. Thus Haliburton would be one of them.

The stock market is a gamble, no different than going to the track, people who know what they are doing will be OK, the rest lose.

For example, at the track I bet four horses across the board. I know at least one must lose, but it is mathematically figured out. Trifectas are the biggest ass wipe of them all, they are for people who THINK they got the brains to wean off of the state lottery. They go down nonetheless.

And actually shorting stock is the only way you can use private info you might have without having a problem with the SEC. Just remember that check you must write every month, DO NOT finance those dividends, that is a recipe for disaster. If your liquidity gets low you must decide which ones to drop, and still afford the rest. Make that decision based on two factors. The odds of something really bad happening to the company, and what it is costing you to maintain the short.

I actually might take a crack at it someday, because with all the wierdo info I got, who knows. But I still see it as gambling, and not even good gambling like a poker game. The odds are stacked against the little guy, in fact the whole stock market exists for them to make money off of us. Don't act surprised, what did you think ?

It all boils down to math. How many shares can you afford to short ? What is the likelyhood of a downturn ? It is like the basic P/E ratio but with a twist, you work it backwards.

For example Haliburton, forgetting the P/E for the moment, their really sweet deal depends on certain people, to get all the big no-bid contracts. While I wouldn't count on some big investigation under a Democrat President, they are at least going to lose prime parking in 08.

I wouldn't go for any annuity or anything like that, there are alot more fun things to lose money on. At least with some games, you stand a chance of winning. A slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.

T




KatyLied -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/26/2007 7:14:32 AM)

I'm on the wrong side of the orientation coin.  I need a slave to start an annuity for me.
[:)]




subfever -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/26/2007 9:58:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I'm on the wrong side of the orientation coin.  I need a slave to start an annuity for me.
[:)]



And what's in it for the slave? ... [;)]




domiguy -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/26/2007 10:01:56 PM)

All of this talk of money makes me want to go make sub susie earn ten bucks "the hard way."




subfever -> RE: Feelings about financial freedom (2/27/2007 11:41:07 AM)

Hmm... way may already be seeing the beginnings of a market downturn.




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