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Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 4:33:16 PM   
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I have been noticing that often times in these forums passion for what you are are speaking about often gets misinterpreted to mean anger or bitterness by certain people who read and or reply to your posts.

I understand that inflection is completely missing in a text driven medium, but I wonder if there isn't something else behind it.  I wonder if there is not a greater tendency an a society  in which  apathy is endemic, to a large degree, to judge passion as somehow threatening or aggressive...I almost wonder if we have lost a lot of  the comprehension  of nuance of emotion in our bubbles of complacency?

I can not think of the last time that I participated in a debate on these forums where I was anywhere close to being truly angry.  I do feel very strongly about both lifestyle and non lifestyle issues, and if I have taken the time to research, think and formulate an opinion, I am usually very comfortable with and passionate about presenting my position on an issue.  However, I would also add that I have many times learned new perspective and even completely confronted my own position on things and readjusted it when superior information and logic has been put forward.

It makes me wonder ...if passion and intensity are so frequently and readily misinterpreted as anger or something threatening, are they in fact becoming passé, or even worse, obsolete in our culture?
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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 4:35:36 PM   
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*Throws hands in air*

@()&#$ and I mean it!

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 5:03:13 PM   
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****()&#$    or ****()&#$  off?

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 5:11:31 PM   
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Hmmm.... Normally wouldn't do this, but....

#*)@)*#) and the *#)(U($@U you *#)_($__$-=0 on!

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 5:16:16 PM   
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Hmmm... was that passion or anger?

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 6:20:58 PM   
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Puella, excellent post, and an astute observation. IIRC this is not the first time. At his point I would like to throw something into the mix.

First of all I agree, any strong statement can be taken as an angry statement. Maybe it shouldn't be but it is. But this is not the only misconception in society.

While strength of the authorities is praised by many, strength in individuals, in the populace seems to be discouraged. Even feared.

I think part of the problem is the adversarial nature people take on when facing strength. To face strength is not to fight it. Alot of people are so adversarial in nature, whether it is to get ahead financially or even on the freeway, and they think everyone else is the same.

Therefore they see strength as a threat. I've known Men who could defeat 4 or 5 average Men in a fight. Word gets around and they are treated with some measure of extra respect, why ? I didn't come here to fight. As long as there is no fight it is a moot point.

And I'll tell you what else, such Men would rather be treated just like a regular person. Usually. The same dynamic plays in the reason celebrities and the rich stick to themselves. It may also play a role in selection of friends, that one might prefer those either equal, or lesser in physical stature.

OK, I admit it, I studied psychology before they fucked it all up. I am starting to avoid the use of 'that' word, but it definitely belongs there.

So this percieved anger might not be intentional, just based on the reader/listener's perception.

I could write  bona-fide dissertation on perception vs reality. That has been the focus of any later studies.

Did you ever notice that a theif might have the best security system ? I don't mean a shoplifter, I mean someone who is like, making a killing on government contracts or something. If you're an oldster like me you remember the grownups chastising you for your long hair. Stop to think now, how many of them were bald or balding ?

People who earn what they have generally use less anti-theft methods than those who do not earn their money, who rake over people and swindle them. Who tax and spend for example.

People who are secure in their sexualality would never "fagbash", which is to go out and randomley beat up homosexuals or crossdressers, it does happen, and the motive is not always robbery. People who know themselves are the best asset to the planet, people who don't put down anyone just because they are different. We're running a bit low on those, many are laying low at CM or another forum. Many are tired of what conformalists require.

Many want to do what they want, whether is is to be a CD, or gay/lesbian. How does that hurt anyone ?

Actually I am about ready to write my thesis/dissertation, but I am not enrolled anywhere. It will be a mix of psychology and anthropology, and a few other things.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 6:30:03 PM   
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I just don't think a poster's seemingly angry reaction to a post has a whole lot to do, sometimes, with even how the OP poses the issue they are trying to discuss. People's reactions, on the whole, IMO, say a lot more about them than they do about the OP, or any other poster on a thread.

I am a big fan of the reaction of "stunned silence". When-if someone does say something I find incredibly rude, angry or offensive, I often say nothing, and let their rudeness simply hang in mid-air, like a putrid stench in a sewer, on a really hot day - and hope this non-response from me just makes them eventually choke on the resulting fumes (which will usually linger in their direction.)  
 
Of course this is always better to observe in person (but can definitely work on the internet as well) - it can be fun to watch (or imagine) them squirming, in response. Of course really stupid people will rarely have that reaction - if they are just plain dumb (along with being rude), I will mostly try to ignore them, and just move on. Usually.

In some cases, yeah, maybe somebody could have worded something differently, etc., to prevent a potential misunderstanding, but - it truly amazes me sometimes, how easily some are willing to jump to a negative (rather than a nuetral) conclusion about  what someone means, if there is ambiguity about what someone could mean in a post.

I always kind of chuckle to myself when someone calling themselves Dominant or Domme wants to toss out rude or nasty comments to a poster, with little or no apparent provocation (or anyone, submissives included). In my mind, they've just marked themselves as anything but that (and rude, besides).

Because they are in the land a bdsm world that (presumably) promotes self-responsibility, and have so obviously little self-control, it tells me more negative about them in a sentence or two than they probably even realize. But that's just me. 

*The other day, I started a thread, and some woman (a Domme) immediately wrote in, and her first comment was telling me how she "didn't have the patience to read long threads." I admit I can be verbose at times, and I could have responded to her obviously ego-centric concerns, but - I decided almost instantly that it really wasn't worth my time.

*I considered what she'd said, and decided not to cut down the verbiage in my post. I did, however, bold the general question it contained, and move that sentence to the top of the thread. She may have had a point, but I was offended at her presumption the world should revolve around her preferences.

*If she doesn't like it, she can opt not to read and respond. Period. Even her presumption she was giving me "helpful feed-back" when I hadn't asked for it, was something I found slightly amusing (although I did change the way I'd worded the question, and moved it to the top of my original post in the thread, so it was easier for other readers to find). 

I didn't comment on her crassness directly at the time, mostly because it's not worth the ensuing embattled posts that inevitably result (who has the energy?) - and also because she went on to actually answer the question posed in the thread.

But mostly, I opt to leave these folks alone. They are in general a pain in the keester, and not worth the time it takes to tangle with them. If someone is really being an uber-jerk, or has a vehement opposing opinion from my own (and is also being what I consider rude in trying to get that across), I will usually ignore it - except maybe once in awhile, I'll post my own opinion (which is the polar opposite of theirs). Just to make them realize that opposing opinions do exist (hehe). 

I love it when these types are not smart enough to defend their position, and get swallowed whole by a countering follow-up poster, via their own initial stupidity; it seems so predictable and kind of funny (to me anyway), and full of "poetic justice" - especially when they've been very offensive throughout an entire thread. But usually, I just watch this conclusion slowly develop, because I don't have enough aspirin in my medicine cabinet to be on the receiving end of these arguments.

I see people argue all the time here on the boards (although I see a lot of worthwhile discussion a lot of times, too). I've argued vehemently about something once or twice, but I've been here over two years. Mostly, I don't have enough headache medicine on hand to cover the headaches I get when I do argue with these types of folks. Who needs the hassles? 

As far as starting threads is concerned, I think it helps to realize if someone is taking on a potentially, or predictably explosive topic, there are going to be folks writing in with opposing viewpoints (which doesn't mean they have to be rude in expressing them), so I think they should be prepared for that, or else not maybe post the thread to begin with.

As far as posters answering an OP with a vehement opposing opinion, my general thought is that they of course have a right to their opinion, but shouldn't probably expect to change the OP's mind, if it initially appeared set in stone. On-going, round-and-round arguments desperately hoping to change someone whose opinion (on either end) is set in cement is a waste of time, IMO.   

- Susan  

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 7:00:26 PM   
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Well, I try to not judge a text by my 'instinct' that it's mean or derogatory in anyway, and instead of replying back angrily I simply say something witty back that snaps that person out of focus one way or another (or just starts a debate, which I'm more than eager to oblige to!).

My own defense for the assumption of anger is the way in which people put words together, their word choice, and even their font. TALKING TO ME LIKE THIS MAKES ME THINK THEY ARE SCREAMING!!!!! Get it? LOL. :P

So...that's all I've got, actually. Someone already mentioned the psychological viewpoint of perception based on cultural and household upbringing (and I think gender?), so I'll leave it at that.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 7:22:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

****()&#$    or ****()&#$  off?

hehe


While it is lovely watching people express their morpheme, I am not working, so can we get the thread back on topic?

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 7:40:39 PM   
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Calm down people, it's only the internet.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 7:56:43 PM   
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Often I have seen some just be plain out rude. Whether your passionate about a topic or angry being rude just doesn't cut it for me. I am the type when someone is rude and insulting to me all bets are off. I think alot of people leave their manners at the internet door. As a society we have less respect and manners. I have no problem with someone presenting an opposing point of view and then in turn maybe changing mine. I see more that think being rude is the same as being passionate.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 7:59:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

Hmmm... was that passion or anger?


Sorry. Passion, I was perving your profile.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 8:06:57 PM   
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I did my own experiment regarding this issue.  You all may want to go to the Off Topic section and look at my post on flags.
I took a simple statement, and it got 17 replies and went off topic as well.  It was so funny.
Unfortunately, my point was made.  We are so busy trying to analyze things, and when we figure it out,we want to share it, and someone will jump in your face over something they have no clue in.
That is my opinion.  I am getting to the point to where I say what I have to say and it is not meant to be rude, but passionate.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/26/2007 8:58:32 PM   
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I think you at least have to have a minimal understanding of psyches and then interpret an individual's ideology and not take anything they write as a personal affront unless you’re directly attacked.

I'll just say whether I agree with them or not..... I like reading posts from blunt and opinionated people who always take a stand. It's up to you whether you let their opinions affect you in a negative way.

One last thing : Contrary to what the Bible says..... The meek will not inherit the earth.


 

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 12:05:29 AM   
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Attack the issue, not the person.

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 1:01:32 AM   
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Hey Puella, nice topic and yes you are correct, i do feel that aswell as misinterpretation perhaps the anger is not in the writer but in the reader, the reader indentifies with a trigger word or sentence and instead of keeping the topic in context of its original post and intention they just add more fuel to the fire and in some cases agitators cannot help picking up on what fuels your fury and push more buttons.

That and coupled with the fact there is a huge diversity of writer on these forums, the in-depth seemingly educated and knowledgeable poster and the armchair, tabloid-believing, media fuelled reactionary who finds it very frustrating trying to read essays with extensive and complicated words, yes....this was bound to happen lol.   

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 1:30:09 AM   
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You may be onto something, Puella....but I have to admit I'm struggling to see an argument for a general trend of passion being obsolete and second best to apathy. It'll be interesting to hear the logic behind your wonder for a full picture of where you're coming from.

From my experience (in real life), I can't remember anyone accusing me of being an angry individual.

I agree with UR, I want to hear ideas and straight to the point suits me fine.

Then again, I'm biased because I prefer passionate women. I'm the level-headed one and there's no fun trying to keep a woman on the straight and narrow when she has her head completely and utterly screwed on :-) Passion, drama, emotion are very attractive......in a woman, that is.





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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 1:49:10 AM   
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I think one of the problems is that so many people are so unused to hearing opposing or contradictory  viewpoints, I mean in their social circles, that when they do hear such things it unsettles them. Then emotion creeps in or the personal attacks start.

I should have said....unused to hearing and  debating contrary views.....when that happens trouble with a big T often is not far away lol

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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 4:26:23 AM   
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RE: Anger by Default? - 2/27/2007 5:53:49 AM   
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I'm guilty of being passionate about things but while a subject might make me angry, I almost never get angry with the person I'm debating with even if they kick my legs from under me in a debate, though I have noticed my passion has been misinterpreted as anger on several occasions. I can have very heated debates with someone and remain friends, in fact I prefer spunky people with an opinion, especially an opinion they can back up. Apathy sucks. There is nothing more depressing than people that are dead from the neck up.

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