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MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 5:48:40 PM)

Thank you fargle, that was was what I wanted to see.

~poe



farglebargle -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 5:50:55 PM)

What is it Twain said, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”



puella -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 5:55:48 PM)

Thanks Fargle... I was snoozin there for a while!



farglebargle -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 5:58:03 PM)

YW, but I'm just calling "BULLSHIT" on pure propaganda.

They all suck, and it's all a scam.



mnottertail -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 6:02:29 PM)

I am gonna tell you folks something right now, and that is that I just vacuumed my carpet with a 12 amp 120 volt eureka stand-up floor model, and if you think you are gonna come around here traipsing in these carbon footprints all over---well, you can just get yourself a goddamn stuntman.

MisterClean 



MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 6:08:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.



So that means he started using renewable energy sources in December.

quote:

 

Former Vice President Al Gore, who, in the wake of defeat in the 2000 election, re-set the course of his life to focus on a last-ditch, all-out effort to help save the planet from irrevocable change.

http://www.climatecrisis.net/aboutthefilm/



So I am just wondering if this is something that has been a passion for him, why take so long to make the personal changes?

~poe



WyrdRich -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 6:09:58 PM)

      Get your Carbon Offset here folks!  For the paltry sum of $45,000 a year, I will stop driving 500 miles per week at 28 mpg.  H2 gets 7 mpg?  You've got 125 miles a week and you are carbon neutral doing it.  Double that distance for a 14 mpg Navigator.  Buy now folks, these prices are only going to go up when the Government makes 'em mandatory.



caitlyn -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:08:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4
Its not a problem, until you run around and tell everyone else they need to use less energy.


How do you know he doesn't have a monster house, and that 30K is after energy efficient measures have been taken? The article just said twenty rooms. Sort of a strange way to put it. It may be nothing, but sort of pings on my potential bullshit detector. [;)]



FirmhandKY -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:25:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: puella

Then of course, to top it all off... due to all the things Al Gore has chosen to institute within his own lifestyle, even taking a private jet, he STILL has a negative carbon footprint... I wonder how deep the carbon foot print is on his vociferous detractors?


Please ... oh please ... give me a cite or source that proves that he has a "negative carbon footprint"!


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ORIGINAL: puella

What they did not report was that he is paying more money for his energy than the average Joe because he is using renewable energy sources (that would be green, kids), which due to the lack of infrastructure, costs more at this point as an option for your energy needs.  So in effect, he chose to pay more out of his pocket to ensure that he is not using an energy source which rapes the earth.


Assuming the report that FB linked to is correct, then kudos to Gore.  Except for the fact that it only started three months ago.

And doesn't include any of his other houses.

Another problem is that according to the TVA, their "green program" doesn't actual help all that much in reducing carbon over their regular electricity generating methods.  They don't have sufficient "green" generating facilities to do so.

Tell me this ... based on his "long time concern" about the environment, and his position as the public point man on green issues within the US ... doesn't it seem just a little .... well ... less than stretching on his part, the actions he has taken (or not taken)?

For example, here is the "green" details about another important political figure:
The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.

Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

Now, to me, it seems Gore is good at talking the talk.  This second man is actually walking the walk.

FirmKY



dcnovice -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:35:18 PM)

FirmKY ---

You left out some interesting paragraphs from the same article that you quoted:

Yes, the same George W. [owner of the green house in question] who believes arsenic and drinking water might not be such a bad combo, the same man who reneged on his campaign promise to lower carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, the same man who is doing everything in his power to fling open the Alaskan Natural Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling.

How does the President reconcile an eco-friendly abode for his own family with his persistent stand against anything that smacks of an environmentally friendly agenda for the nation as a whole? The answer to that perplexing question is a real mystery.

Perhaps sound ecological practices are only for those who can afford them: as a self-proclaimed strict constructionist of the U.S. Constitution, Bush must be aware that clean air and clean water are not guaranteed in that glorious document. Perhaps in Bush's Brave New Corporate World, clean natural resources are merely commodities in a free-market economy: if you can pay for them, fine; if not, tough. The rest of us will just have to put up with more toxic dumps and more public lands being turned over to logging, mining and oil companies.

I'm sure it was an oversight.

Cheers,

DC



MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:35:24 PM)

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Yes, the same George W. who believes arsenic and drinking water might not be such a bad combo, the same man who reneged on his campaign promise to lower carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, the same man who is doing everything in his power to fling open the Alaskan Natural Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling.



What a mystery....

~poe



Sanity -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:36:56 PM)

SO

The rich don't need to sacrifice in order to save the planet, only the poor do.

And the Reverand Al Gore is above having to cut back on his lavish lifestyle...

Is that your point?

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ORIGINAL: puella

You are missing the whole point, popeye.  Al Gore is using renewable energy... green energy.  He is not soaking up the last of your oil.  He made a personal investment to use renewable energy, so he can use as much as he wants and he is not harming the environment!




MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:39:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: puella

You are missing the whole point, popeye.  Al Gore is using renewable energy... green energy.  He is not soaking up the last of your oil.  He made a personal investment to use renewable energy, so he can use as much as he wants and he is not harming the environment!



Which he only started using within the last 3 months. An Incovienent Truth came out in October.

~poe



dcnovice -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:43:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MsPoetress

quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

You are missing the whole point, popeye.  Al Gore is using renewable energy... green energy.  He is not soaking up the last of your oil.  He made a personal investment to use renewable energy, so he can use as much as he wants and he is not harming the environment!



Which he only started using within the last 3 months. An Incovienent Truth came out in October.

~poe


Do we know that it was available to him before then? Being able to tell your utlity that you want green power is fairly new, isn't it?



MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:46:46 PM)

I know it was available in August of 2006. Sooner than that I am not sure, but I will look into that.

~poe



dcnovice -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 7:48:08 PM)

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I know it was available in August of 2006.


In wherever his house is located?



Invictus754 -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 8:02:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsPoetress

Which he only started using within the last 3 months. An Incovienent Truth came out in October.
~poe


The source quoted only said:
quote:

Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.


it didn't cite usage before that, but it didn't discount it either.  For all we know he has been purchasing 108 blocks for three years, but they couldn't get the records to show it, so they only reported what they had factual evidence for (Like good reporters are supposed to.)



FirmhandKY -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 8:06:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FirmKY ---

You left out some interesting paragraphs from the same article that you quoted:

Yes, the same George W. [owner of the green house in question] who believes arsenic and drinking water might not be such a bad combo, the same man who reneged on his campaign promise to lower carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, the same man who is doing everything in his power to fling open the Alaskan Natural Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling.

How does the President reconcile an eco-friendly abode for his own family with his persistent stand against anything that smacks of an environmentally friendly agenda for the nation as a whole? The answer to that perplexing question is a real mystery.

Perhaps sound ecological practices are only for those who can afford them: as a self-proclaimed strict constructionist of the U.S. Constitution, Bush must be aware that clean air and clean water are not guaranteed in that glorious document. Perhaps in Bush's Brave New Corporate World, clean natural resources are merely commodities in a free-market economy: if you can pay for them, fine; if not, tough. The rest of us will just have to put up with more toxic dumps and more public lands being turned over to logging, mining and oil companies.

I'm sure it was an oversight.

Cheers,

DC


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Good catch, dc!  I was wondering if anyone would google and find the original article.  I bet no one would. I would have lost that bet, I see.

However, the fact that the article is from a very enviromental/socialist point of view should make the point that the facts are not in question.  Bush had a very eco-friendly house way before it became "fashionable".

The rest of the article that you quoted (and some that you didn't) is basically political attacks to forward their own agenda.

For example:

Perhaps sound ecological practices are only for those who can afford them

... could just as easily and correctly be hurled at Al Gore.  Except, since he is fashionably in agreement with your beliefs (and puella's), then nothing is said, and his "rich" use of resources are forgiven as acceptable.

As well, what about Bush's "Beyond Kyoto" ecological initatives to reduce carbon usages?  Bet ya ain't even heard of those, have you?

FirmKY



MsPoetress -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 8:08:15 PM)

quote:

However, even if the local utility does
not offer green power and competitive retail
options are not available, you can still purchase
green power from regionally or
nationally based companies that offer
“renewable energy certificates.”
 
 
 
quote:

Tennessee became the first state government in the southeast to purchase green power in May of 2002. All state buildings in Nashville are obtaining a portion of their electricity from renewable sources through their utility's participation in the Tennessee Valley Authority's Green Power Switch program. The state will buy 720,000 kWh of renewable electricity each year. http://www.newdream.org/procure/products/energy.pdf
 
quote:

Governor Phil Bredesen today announced that Tennessee State Parks will purchase green power for every park where green power is available, making Tennessee one of the first state parks systems in the nation to utilize green power.
~poe



dcnovice -> RE: Al Gore's "Carbon Footprint." (2/28/2007 8:12:25 PM)

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since he is fashionably in agreement with your beliefs


I don't think I've stated any beliefs in this thread, actually.

quote:

As well, what about Bush's "Beyond Kyoto" ecological initatives to reduce carbon usages?  Bet ya ain't even heard of those, have you?


No, I hadn't. Thanks for the info.



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