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randsboy -> bootblacking (5/18/2004 7:45:53 PM)

i have been blacking Masters boots for over 5 years now. Recently i was allowed to join a leatherboys group, and by what they are saying, they claim that the way i black is wrong and will not let do it at a public event. so here is my question SIrs/Masters ---

Is there a right and a wrong way to bootblack??




Estring -> RE: bootblacking (5/18/2004 8:19:52 PM)

What color are you using?




inyouagain -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 1:44:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: randsboy
Is there a right and a wrong way to bootblack??

The answer is likely relative to the person or group, so search Google for bootblacking, and many leather groups pages with "how to" instructions will be listed for your viewing pleasure.

If someone here were to give you a specific bootblacking methodology, it still may not be "right" per your particular leather group, but perhaps you can find something close to, or even by your particular group.

In the military, where bootblacking and spit shining used to be synonymous, there were numerous "preferred bootblacking methods", but the criteria was always shine, so it mattered little how the shine was acquired or derived. The objective was to pass open ranks inspection, and of course we straight guys and girls did our own boots, and not other's boots while they were naked wearing them. The act or method of bootblacking was not considered... just the glossy end result shine.

An aspect was pointed out that infra-red intelligence gathering satellites could easily count spit shined black boots in formation (and divide by two to determine troop strength), and this was finally considered by the brass. Subsequently, many open ranks inspections are now performed in forrest, jungle or desert camo battle dress uniforms (BDU's), and their respective dull finish combat boots which are not easily seen or counted by enemy red-eyes circling above.

Inyouagain




Sinergy -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 3:56:37 AM)

quote:

An aspect was pointed out that infra-red intelligence gathering satellites could easily count spit shined black boots in formation (and divide by two to determine troop strength), and this was finally considered by the brass. Subsequently, many open ranks inspections are now performed in forrest, jungle or desert camo battle dress uniforms (BDU's), and their respective dull finish combat boots which are not easily seen or counted by enemy red-eyes circling above


On a similar note, the US switched to camoflague BDUs during the Vietnam war and changed rank insignia from metal to colors that blended in with the uniform. Apparently, Viet Cong snipers would shoot the soldiers wearing all the shiny things...

Sinergy




Perempt -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 6:53:51 AM)

The proper way to bootblack is the way your Master wants it done. Ask Him. After He tells you, and you try, He will correct your shortcomings with increasing persuasiveness until yo are satisfactory.
Same is true for: what i the proper way to endure, to suffer, to be degrades. Let Him show you.

This approach will restore communication -in all its rough forms- to Master and slave. And is fun.

I think we all are getting too dependent on rules and procedures and manuals and etiquette guidelines.

No Mastery-by-the-numbers for My slaves!




sub4hire -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 7:53:38 PM)

I don't know anything about boot blacking per say. However, I used to purchase this shoe shine in the BX that..well it was just fabulous. A better shine than any shine you could ever do on your own. It was like a mirror.

Although, it was considered cheating. If you did use it you were a shoe in to pass inspection that day.




inyouagain -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 8:54:07 PM)

Yeah I remember that, I think KIWI made it and it was brushed on and looked very wet, and you were always paranoid it would not be dry in time... but the stuff looked wet even after it had dried. If you put too much on, it would crack where your boots flexed, and you'd usually get written up unless you were short and in the rear of the formation... the taller troops were always up front taking the hits, and when the Shirt or the CO finally got to ther rear of the formation, their Gas Factor (give-a-shit factor) was much lower, because it was getting close to their Tee Time at the golf course.

I didn't know you were Air Force Gloria, my AFSC was 328X3, electronic countermeasures (ECM) and electronic warfare (EW), and I'm an Old Crow that shoots lightning bolts from my talons! There's more uses for crow's feet than old fashioned bathtub legs! [;)]

Here's a few online video's you may enjoy:

C130 Angel Decoys Flare Dump

Infrared Threat Sequence

Live Fire Test

"I have slipped the surly bonds"

Inyouagain

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sub4hire -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 9:06:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: inyouagain

Yeah I remember that, I think KIWI made it and it was brushed on and looked very wet, and you were always paranoid it would not be dry in time... but the stuff looked wet even after it had dried. If you put too much on, it would crack where your boots flexed, and you'd usually get written up unless you were short and in the rear of the formation... the taller troops were always up front taking the hits, and when the Shirt or the CO finally got to ther rear of the formation, their Gas Factor (give-a-shit factor) was much lower, because it was getting close to their Tee Time at the golf course.

I didn't know you were Air Force Gloria, my AFSC was 328X3, electronic countermeasures (ECM) and electronic warfare (EW), and I'm an Old Crow that shoots lightning bolts from my talons! There's more uses for crow's feet than old fashioned bathtub legs! [;)]

Here's a few online video's you may enjoy:

C130 Angel Decoys Flare Dump

Infrared Threat Sequence

Live Fire Test

"I have slipped the surly bonds"

Inyouagain

[image]local://upfiles/11414/195AB6186080483D825C5E5E0F87A700.gif[/image]



Hey, how do you know I was paranoid? It must be a common trait for you to just assume and be so right at the same time. That stuff was great though.

Yep, I was in the Air Force. A loadmaster. I scored too high on my asvab. I was a firefighter/paramedic in civilian life. I wanted an easy tech school. Joined in June. The air force at that time had 6 openings for firefighters a year. None were taken. In the week I took my asvab miraculously all 6 positions filled. I was told being a firefighter was an ignorant persons job. So, I told the recruiter give me any job you like just make it the shortest school possible.
I spent that first summer sweltering in the Texas heat.
I also was called up for the first gulf war. My patriotism has diminished since that war. Going back to the same place to do the same thing. What a joke.

Oh, I'm 5'8 I was the 4th in formation...so you know my level of paranoidous. If that is a word.




MistressDREAD -> RE: bootblacking (5/19/2004 10:20:47 PM)


excuse My entry here Masters...
quote:

Is there a right and a
wrong way to bootblack??

yes there is randsboy and the way
that your Owner desired for you to
do it for Him is the right way however
if you become a part of a membership
that goes to compatition there are spacific
rules and ways and items that are used
based off of the type of leather and if it
is a boot or shoe and even how the laces
are laced all count in compatitions. You
dident mention how you shine and what
type of leather you are shining. If I had
more info I might could assist you in
gaining whats needed to know for compatiton.
here are sum basics that I know of and you
can compare what you do to what My bootblack
does.


the majority of the bootblacking that i do is at home, and there is only so much one can do in this setting. these are my home-bootblacking steps and are a good place to start for a beginner.

1. cleaning. the number one secret to a great finished product is starting with clean boots. i use Fiebing brand saddle soap myself although there are many great brands. using a soft horsehair brush, a little soap, and just enough water to create a good lather, scrub the entire boot. if the boot has laces, take the laces out so that you can get the tongue, too. dry the boot completely and quickly before the soap dries. use a stiffer brush along where the leather upper meets the sole; a lot of dirt gets in there, and leaving it there is just lazy. if you are working on a pair of boots that has feet in them, treat the drying-rub down as a massage. now is also a great time for some boot worship, if you wish...

2. applying polish. the polish goes on smoother and more even if the wax is warm. some people flame their wax in the can. some flame the wax on the boot. i don't do either because the first method is bad for the wax and the second is too potentially bad for the boot (and the wearer) if the bootblack isn't skilled enough. since i don't want to risk ruining boots getting good at flaming boots,I simply warm the wax with a lighter underneith or by accident i discovered that setting a can of wax on top of a hot drink is a FABULOUS and safe alternative to flaming wax. i advocate using your bare hands as MUCH AS POSSIBLE when doing boots while applying waxes and oils. the heat from your hands melts the wax/oil into the leathers oh so beautifully, and you can FEEL where you have been and where you need to go. don't think of wax as "dirty". i like to think of my hands being coated with clean like a machine! apply the wax in sections; i map the boot out mentally (and i do each boot the same as part of my ritual to keep track of where i've been). practice is the best teacher of how much is too much and how little is too little. best to err on the side of too little at first...and remember back to front with the shining of the top toes the grand finaly!apply wax to both boots. the wax needs to dry between application and buffing and doing that second boot is about the right amount of time.


3. buffing. find the densest horsehair brushes you can find. i happen to have an older brush, and i don't know where it came from, but it is beautiful others use black cows hair but I find it not hard enough.
you'll develop a pattern with this as well--across the toes, along the lower side, that sort of thing, although the pattern doesn't matter too much at home there are groups who have which way they move for this action tho so if you intend to go professional you need to find out which way they like it. i like to do an initial dry-brushing, (if i am doing any second coatings like Parade Gloss, i do that application here...alone with My kiwi) then mist the boot with water or scotch as sum pros use, and dont forget a taste for the Master/Mistress then do a second brushing, mist the boot again and then buff with-a-nylon trick. each round of buffing you will see brighter results. MAN! does that work well! just put your hand into an old nylon or nylon sock, right down to the toe, and just start rubbing the boot...be patient and you will love the results. i don't know why, but polyester will rub the polish off don't over-buff, though. you'll get to the point where you will be removing too much wax and dulling the boot.i don't know why, but polyester will rub the polish off (so i've been told), so make sure it's nylon...side note on Parade Gloss: this is a harder wax (which is why it shines up so much brighter) and it is more difficult to apply. i stick to just the toe and heel of the boot with Parade Gloss; it would take too long to apply it over the whole boot (unless that is the desired effect and you have the time!)

4.oiling. some boots get oiled and not polished. actually any hide boot can be oiled (i've done cow, elephant, elk...), and an occasional oiling is recommended. once again, when applying oil, use your bare hands! the oil goes on so beautifully and melts in so fabulously. and TAKE YOUR TIME! oiling a boot takes so much less time than polishing that you can stretch out the ritual, and really get into it. plus, don't just think about the boot, think about the foot that is inside the boot. i've had many customers pleasantly surprised at how good the whole experience is, and that can be fully nurtured in a good, thorough oiling.

5. details. it's all in the details. it's the little things that make a good job a great job:-edge dressing. sometimes i just use plain old shoe polish on the edges, but it's still a detail.-re-dyeing scuffs. even if all you use is a magic marker (hey, that's what i was originally taught to use!) it makes all the difference. polish can only cover so much.-watch the white socks! (personally i didn't know that socks and underwear came in anything but black...)-watch the white (or yellow for Doc Martens) stitching along the soles. use neutral polish on the stitching (and even on the lower part of the boot, if you wish) to keep the black off the stitches.-get the lacing right! pay attention to how they laced their boots before you take them out and duplicate it. left over right? right over left? ladder? double knotted? tied the bow three holes from the top?-talk to your Master/Mistress ask them what they want, what they have done in the past, what they expect. maybe they just want their abused combats oiled. maybe they want their oil-tanned boots to be a sticky mess and polished and not oiled.
JMO




inyouagain -> RE: bootblacking (5/20/2004 4:22:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire
Hey, how do you know I was paranoid?

Gimme a 341, lol [:D]

You gave yourself away by using the BX acronym.

Inyouagain




ModeratorThree -> RE: bootblacking (5/20/2004 4:39:30 PM)

kiwi still makes a "shiner". It comes in a plastic case and is "sponge" like. I often used it on my boots. You just rub it over the boot, and you have instant shine :) Of course that was only after I had properly done them ... about 10000 times and tired of it. Bought the cheat, and it was so much easier.




Mod3




Thanatosian -> RE: bootblacking (5/20/2004 11:31:43 PM)

the one available in the navy px was in a bottle much like kiwi's regular polish (the 'dab' applicator) - I believe the name of it was Spit Shine - and it did look good until you took your first step and it cracked where the leather bent[:)] - they even had another formula specifically for the heel/sole edge to make it nice and shiny - I finally took the real easy route and got myself a pair of poromeric ( fake patent leather ) dress shoes - just run a damp cloth over them to remove dust/dirt and presto - mirror shine![;)]




Estring -> RE: bootblacking (5/20/2004 11:35:37 PM)

I don't know about bootblacking, but for proper bootlicking, a slave needs to get her face right on top of the boot and use that tongue. Just like that. Good girl. [:D]




RogueCoho -> RE: bootblacking (5/21/2004 4:37:20 AM)

For the formations when we did not have to march to the grinder..we would use the Kiwi polish..then a light coat of "mop and glow"...hell of a nice shine..but you would have to carry them to the inspection..lol they would crack if you walked in them..(huge cheat. i know)

USMC
CH-53E Crew Chief
Coho




indigo302 -> RE: bootblacking (5/21/2004 9:46:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

I don't know about bootblacking, but for proper bootlicking, a slave needs to get her face right on top of the boot and use that tongue. Just like that. Good girl. [:D]


Dammit now how am I supposed to get any work done?????

*wipes the drool before it gets out of hand*




Thanatosian -> RE: bootblacking (5/21/2004 10:06:15 AM)

Hey Estring - you wouldnt happen to know the proper technique/form/callitwhatyouwill for a good boot pussyshine would you?[;)]




Estring -> RE: bootblacking (5/21/2004 3:13:39 PM)

It's the same technique, she just uses her other lips.[;)]




masterlink65 -> RE: bootblacking (11/30/2007 4:30:22 PM)

if your master likes the way you polish then it should be of little concern what others think. ask permission tolearn another way  for this group. i find little reason to belong to these groups other than fraternity. to each his own. have fun on those boots slave.




adoracat -> RE: bootblacking (11/30/2007 4:56:38 PM)

my ex was a corpsman with the marines.  i used to press his uniform and shine his boots.

he got called forward in formation and pointed out as "THIS is what you are supposed to look like!  good job, corpsman!"

he had to break down at that point and admit his wife, the navy brat, had done them for him.  he had several guys ask him how he got me to do it for him!  [:D]

kitten, amused at the memory




masterlink65 -> RE: bootblacking (11/30/2007 5:57:36 PM)

maybe you can give lessons at the leatherbar




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