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Zensee -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 1:16:58 PM)
Sternhand said: "Where did I say punish the child? Why should it become everyones else's problem? We didnt choose for her to have children. But again its a responsibility issue." You don't actually have to use the word to express its sentiment. Above is the core of your argument - the mother screwed up therefore the suffering of the child is justified even if, in a compassionate society, the needs of the helpless should be its common concern. It is indeed a responsibility issue and while parents have a responsibility to bear and raise their own children when they fail to do so or are unable to do so it is the responsibility of the society to offer meaningful assistance to the child. The fact that there are occasional abuses of social services or that some parents are iresponsible from the get go does not justify a society allowing kids to suffer. And your denial of racism rings rather hollow as is your accusation of me being PC. If PC means being thoughtful before speaking then label away. The Hood is a Black American term, as you well know, and the implication of its use in this discussion is pretty clear. As for flaming, I am not the one who has been SHOUTING IN TECHNICOLOUR to make my point! Z.

DomKen -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 1:30:24 PM)
The 12 year old brother had six rotten teeth that needed attention and this kid had at least one with infected absceces(sp?). The parent(s) is definitely at major fault. Even if she couldn't get regular dental care why weren't these kids brushing their teeth? Yes, the system is at fault as well but ignoring the fact that these kids weren't practicing basic oral hygeine and apparently were consuming a lot of sugar is just wrong.

popeye1250 -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 2:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: soultoshare As i sit here recovering from a voluntary tooth extraction, I can't help but feel for the mom of those boys. I've been a single mother, and know how hard it is to make ends meet. I did without a lot in order to get my UM what he needed, but it wasn't easy. I maintained a household on $600 cash and food stamps each month. Getting assistance isn't easy, and no one in those agencies refers people anywhere. What really angers me about dr's and dentists is that they donate their services to poor foreign UM's needing care....Doctors without Borders, Dentits have a group too, just don't know what it's called......I'm not slamming them for giving away those services to others, but they need to realize that there are just as many UM's in this country that need their help. And yes, the government pisses away FAR too much money butting into other countries affairs......it's time that the fatcat policticians start focusing on OUR country, instead of the rest of the World. Seems like we're constantly sticking our nose into everyone else's problems, without giving any thought to ours. Tha'ts a whole other topic, so I won't go there...... Placing blame is futile, and arguing over it is even more so. It is a terrible statement about our system when something like this happens, but until TPTB decide that it's time to take the high road and take care of our own, we're just banging our heads against a brick wall. Just my .02..... m Soultoshare, what's not futile is copying that message and sending it to your congressman and two senators! And getting a lot of other people to write, call, fax and e-mail too! I was just on the phone with my two senators offices yesterday telling them not to vote for Kennedy's "amnesty" bill.

DommeTzarina -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 2:14:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poplolly I thank God that I live in Canada. I am considered a "low-income family" as a single mother with four teenaged UM's and a grandson for whom I am financially responsible. I pay no health care premiums (subsidized by the provincial government) and yet am fully covered. My children receive benefits from the government to cover their eye care, prescriptions, and ambulance services (if necessary). Why is such a system seemingly so difficult to institute in the United States of America?? Growing up in Iowa I had subsidized medical care(WIC program) and was often misdiagnosed for many illnesses that as I am getting older I'm semi-paranoid my own children will have... In the US Virgin Islands it seems that only the empoverished get descent care-my daughter gets rushed to the ER when sick because her doctor is always too busy(she and one of her classmates both nearly died on many occasions due to that), and the ER is always understaffed... 5 kids from the projects allegedly having allergy attacks so their parents can use the benadryl for meth-they get seen right away... my daughter and I both in for matching Strepp Tonsilitis cases(thank you, school) and have to wait(not exagerating here)7 hours just to get led to a room to wait another 4 hours to be seen and interrogated then wait another 2 hours for a diagnosis and MAYBE a perscription... "Then you have to check with a doctor in 3 days". Well-I'm disgusted that that kid died, but at the same time not surprised... I had been taken to the ER in August(on my daughter's 2nd day ever at school), was there from 9AM to 4PM in and out of shock, unable to move, barely able to breathe, and no one even checks to see if I'm alive... Thank you, almighty US of F*ckin A! I am now convinced that Socialism and TRUE Communism(the ideals) work best to keep people healthy..... grrrr

danreeves -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 2:28:38 PM)
I have to agree with the lovely poplolly in Alberta-whom I do miss very much-The US should have a duplicate medical program like our sister country Canada--thumbs up Poplolly

marieToo -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 2:46:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo all i know is this thread is bad for my chi. and Im not looking forward to when Gauge gets back here. I think I'm gonna bail while I still can. Why? If you have any awareness of the type of person that I am you would see that I am passionate about things but I am also a reasonable man as well. I would never resort to personal attacks to attempt to prove a point because personal attacks are useless in an argument. I feel that if I am not intelligent enough to debate the subject then I am certainly not intelligent enough to insult people either. I have strong opinions. I am not afraid to take an unpopular stance. I try to remain level-headed and debate the topic. When I feel that I could potentially lose my cool, I back off and leave things alone as you have seen me do in this thread already. I am a harmless pussy cat... honestly... I just like to debate things with people. Sometimes I learn things that I was not aware of. Sometimes people challenge me even to the point of examining why I feel that way in the first place. Some people have even changed my stance slightly or totally. Some people are not worth my time to debate with because they bring nothing but the same material to the debate over and over and over and do not expound on their stance... those people are the ones that I just give up on. I do not mean to cause you undue stress and if I have, I am sorry for that. We are not arguing... just debating. [:)] Nah. no stress. My chi comment and wanting to be gone before you got back was actually tongue in cheek (well mostly) lol. Anyway, I think you and I are talking about two different things. I guess we can safely say that homelessness causes alot of issues for people, including psychological ones or the feeling of defeat as you implied. To answer your question, no, I have never been homeless. There are many things I have never experienced. Im not saying hunger doesnt suck, Im not saying homelessness doesnt suck, im not saying depression doesnt suck, Im not saying our health care system doesnt suck. Im just saying that if this mother had done something different--any number of things actually--her kid would be alive today; there were alternatives, answers, places to go, but she would have had to believe that in order to help her kid.

soultoshare -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/1/2007 2:59:32 PM)
trust me, i e-mail things like that to my area politicians every chance i get. I vote on programs that will help ease the problems faced by people, I write letters. My hope is that someday all the politicians who use the platforms for dealing with domestic problems and society's ills will actually follow thru once we put them into office. One can only hope.....

velvetears -> RE: Maryland boy dies from toothache (3/2/2007 5:47:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling Stay within the parameters I understand. But didnt it say her medicaid had lasped? there for she was no longer covered. Couldnt any Dr of seen the boy then. How was she not aware her medicaid was going to lapse there had to have been some sort of notice And when they were covered by medicaid why do you think she never bothered to take the kids to a Dentist for a checkup? Because she couldnt find one? ahuh oh so many questions- really doesn't matter much now anyway. I'm sure she will be filing a suit to sue everyone responsible , but of course she wasn't in anyway Maybe being homeless and having no address to get a notice had something to do with it - maybe medicaid made a mistake - who knows? What really matter is a child died and i am sure it wasn't something the mother wished or felt she could have prevented. When you live in poverty or are homeless you face so many overwhelming obstacles to getting back on your feet that it does something to your spirit. i am sure this woman felt very defeated in life and probably tried to get her children the best medical attention she could. Poverty leads to poor nutrition which is more then likely the main reason for this child having such bad teeth and not being able to fight off the ensuing brain infection. If she files suit and gets compensation i am sure she'd give it all back in a heartbeat if she could have her son back.

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