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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 10:43:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sending foreigners off to fight is an excellent way to avoid the shedding of good American lives. 

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 11:16:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, no wonder they're short-handed when we have Troops in 131 different countries!
That stuff needs to stop!
I believe we still have 5-6,000 Troops in Bosnia who should have never been there in the first place!
And we've had 37,000 Troops guarding S. Korea's border now for 54 years. I certainly hope that Washington doesn't think they're going to stay there forever.
I think they should activate the draft before they recruit illegal aliens.
As for Iraq it's "mission accomplished" like Bush said. They got rid of Saddam and they have their own government elected by the Iraqi People.
Nothing left for us to do there now, it's just a shooting gallery for our Troops now.
Bring them home right away and station them on the Mexican border where they're needed.
Our Troops shouldn't be used for "Occupation Forces."

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 11:33:28 AM   
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I think they should activate the draft


Do you think the country is prepared for the outcry that will happen if the draft is activated.  I predict  big and ugly.
Can we still send our um's off to Canada?


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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 11:33:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		The gov needs to consider that already more americans have died for a useless cause for people that'd rather see us dead, than died on 9/11, when does the killing stop, have we gotten even yet?

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:07:31 PM   
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Sending foreigners off to fight is an excellent way to avoid the shedding of good American lives. 

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It's irony, but based in truth.  If we send foreign fighters to war, we're not sending the local boys off to fight.  Mercenary troops and conscripts were often used in this way, though history; the British would regularly use Irish conscripts, I recall.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:13:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember a  sgt from the Phillipeans attached to our unit who was serving to gain his citizenship.

Recruiting a unit from islamic countries, who are familiar with language and customs may have a benefit.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:17:35 PM   
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I think they should activate the draft


Do you think the country is prepared for the outcry that will happen if the draft is activated.  I predict  big and ugly.
Can we still send our um's off to Canada?



Katy, yes I do. What about the outcry if they try to use illegal aliens? Are they ready for that?
I know I'd be screaming at my Senators and Congressman on the phone!

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:21:12 PM   
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Sending foreigners off to fight is an excellent way to avoid the shedding of good American lives. 

Pardon?



It's irony, but based in truth.  If we send foreign fighters to war, we're not sending the local boys off to fight.  Mercenary troops and conscripts were often used in this way, though history; the British would regularly use Irish conscripts, I recall.

Stephan


I was unaware that American lives were any better than anybody elses'. Therein lies the problem with USA foreign policy and attitudes in a nutshell.

Z.

PS: Your statement was not ironic, it was more... mor...?

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		From the earliest days to the present our military has accepted foreign nationals into service, if they met the entry requirements.
When I was in Vietnam in the US Army we had Dutch, Canadian, Italian and other nationals besides territorial citizens from Guam and Puerto Rico that I personally met. I got drafted out of college, they got drafted out of their jobs or schools here.
If a foreign citizen got a draft notice, the choice was serve or be deported.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:23:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		very true but i would hope we never said it was better that the irish die than us brits.
Badddd attitude - all life is precious.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:25:05 PM   
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Sending foreigners off to fight is an excellent way to avoid the shedding of good American lives. 

Pardon?



It's irony, but based in truth.  If we send foreign fighters to war, we're not sending the local boys off to fight.  Mercenary troops and conscripts were often used in this way, though history; the British would regularly use Irish conscripts, I recall.

Stephan


I was unaware that American lives were any better than anybody elses'. Therein lies the problem with USA foreign policy and attitudes in a nutshell.

Z.

PS: Your statement was not ironic, it was more... mor...?


Zensee, the problem with U.S. Foreign Policy is that there's too much of it!
I'd like to see a LOT less of it going on.
We need to be closing embasseys not opening them!
We're going down the same path of Imperialism as Great Britain did.

P.S. oh, and we can't $AFFORD$ it anymore.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:31:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, popeye, there is no room for imperialsim on the globe today, if there ever was. Unfortunately it seems built into human nature. And eventually the colonised will be drawn to the hub of the empire, which is not necessarily a bad thing overall, but it does create a lot of cultural tension.

I'm not sure closing embassies is the answer though. Healthy communications between countries is a must. Unfortunately diplomatic services and spooks are virtually one in the same for all countries.


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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:39:51 PM   
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very true but i would hope we never said it was better that the irish die than us brits.
Badddd attitude - all life is precious.


I agree, it is very unfortunate that all life is not seen as having intrinsic equal value that is not dependent upon an accident of birth

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:41:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the contrary, zensee;  It isn't a question of who's lives are more important. It's a question of allowing those who actively seek to become involved in war, do so.  Unlike the English, we're not advocating the conscription of unwilling 'volunteers' to join our military.  Those foreigners who choose to enlist do so, knowing full well they may see combat and die.  I didn't see rioting in the streets of Kuwait following the first Desert Storm over the heavy handed Americans.  Strangely the US intervention in France didn't rattle any French or English nerves that I recall.  Do you suppose that, had the English managed to successfully repel Hitler without the Americans, there would still be a France today?

Anyway, if people want to join a foreign military, it's not usually motivated for some sense of patriotism for that country.  Why should such individuals be treated as anything other than mercenaries?

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:42:16 PM   
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very true but i would hope we never said it was better that the irish die than us brits.
Badddd attitude - all life is precious.


I agree, it is very unfortunate that all life is not seen as having intrinsic equal value that is not dependent upon an accident of birth


Totally off topic but when we agree it really twinks me out

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 12:49:07 PM   
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Totally off topic but when we agree it really twinks me out

 
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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 1:00:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stephann, I'm not arguing the merits of conscription vs mercenary vs vollunteer or wanting to speculate on the outcome of WW2 (which hinged as much on the fog of war as on the willingness, capability or motives of the participants). I was merely, as a non-Americans myself, taking offence at your implication that American lives are "good" thus all the rest of our lives are not. Perhaps you did not intend that but your statement seems unequivocal.


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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 1:07:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I intended to say exactly what I said.  From a pragmatic perspective, I would prefer to send willing mercenaries to fight rather than conscript (or 'draft' if you will) people from any country to fight. A mercenary's life is worth no less than anyone elses, but they are making a conscious, willing decision to fight. 

Morality and war conversations tend to run very hot.  I won't put words in your mouth, kindly do not put them in mine.

misst,

Sadly, that's exactly what a few kings did say.  I assure you, I'm not suggesting that England had or has a monopoly on unethical military behavior.

Stephan


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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 1:11:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, that's exactly what a few kings did say.  I assure you, I'm not suggesting that England had or has a monopoly on unethical military behavior.

Stephan

No worries, but just because kings or presidents dont value human life especially human life from different countries doesnt mean to say we have to lower ourselves to the same standards.

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RE: "Military considers recruiting foreigners" - 3/1/2007 1:22:31 PM   
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Sadly, that's exactly what a few kings did say.  I assure you, I'm not suggesting that England had or has a monopoly on unethical military behavior.

Stephan

No worries, but just because kings or presidents dont value human life especially human life from different countries doesnt mean to say we have to lower ourselves to the same standards.


No question there.  Yet, there's still the practical problem, of how to wage war.  As a representative of the American people, I will gladly work towards dismantling every standing army in the world.  We can start with England's first

As long as there are armies, leaders will use those armies to further poltical, economic, and social goals and effect retribution.  I don't value the lives of the Japanese or Iraqi or Irish people any less than I value the lives of Americans, but those who point the finger at the military and blame them for war, need to remember who's paying for that army; with who's taxes, with who's votes, and who's politicians.  Until everyone on this planet is committed to peace, there will be war.  As long as there is war, there will be people who need the skills to fight.  As long as there are people learning to fight, there will be mercenaries.

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