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sleazy -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 9:16:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OffTheBeatenTrak From my expirence school student these days do tend to be ahead in terms of education compared to the education level of student when i was at school. Key aspects of subjects that were covered last year of school are now tend to be covered with in the first years of school. About 2 years after i left school i went to collage finding i had extra time around the main course i decide to retake GCSE maths, most because i didn't really try properly at maths and i still got a C grade so i thourght i'd do it properly this time and hopefully get a higher grade. Any way the point is, i was advised by the tutor that they would be no benifit to retake the course because the level of a C grade had raisen so much that any improvement i grain wouldn't be reflected with the end grade. I think possibly the main problem here is that most of the resources and improvements are being concentrated to the later stages of school life in a bid to raise the 11+ and GCSE scores and targets. Unfortunatly i get the impression that the first few years of education are not much of a priority. And at the risk of sounding exceedingly picky, I see all too many resumes/CVs where straight A students have gone to "collage", which I think sort of proves my point, on first reading I pick up no less than three simple spelling errors, sure some words like necessary are good for anyone to trip over every once in a while, but for so many to mess up where they recieved a supposedly advanced education gives me cause for concern. (A recount in the tradition of Florida ups the tally to 5)

NorthernGent -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 9:23:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy I wouldn't want my little Domidudes knowing anything about yogurt...It's proven that such knowledge can lead to "pussyesque" activities. ....and in extreme cases can lead to mass genocide. Hitler loved yoghurt.

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 10:14:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy And at the risk of sounding exceedingly picky, I see all too many resumes/CVs where straight A students have gone to "collage", which I think sort of proves my point, on first reading I pick up no less than three simple spelling errors, sure some words like necessary are good for anyone to trip over every once in a while, but for so many to mess up where they recieved a supposedly advanced education gives me cause for concern. (A recount in the tradition of Florida ups the tally to 5) Unfortunatly i was never a grade A student mostly because of lack of concentration on my part. And english being my worst subject, my spelling and grammar was never going to be spot on. Thank god for spell checkers, just make sure it's not you've got the right laugage. Have seen that one before, british Cv checked by an American spell checker. D'oh. On a Cv i would probably take expierence over quailifications, having straight A's may not always be a fair representation of some one's ability to actually forfill a certain role. I've also seen people who have spent years training in information technology be completely dumb founded by the simpliest of problems. And often there a big difference between reading & writing about it and actually doing it in day to day life. I've always found i personly learn quicker and better by doing a job rather than reading and studing about it. Could that possibly be the difference? I am recently started a furhter education course in ICT, mainly because most jobs of any value these days require you to have either the quailifications or some expierence which in the job or both. Wanting to get in to the IT sector i find my self with no choice but to study and gain the quailification. Unfortunatly for me, the large amount of expirence i've gain since i was 14 (started with my little amstrad 464) is not with in a working enviroment and with no pieces of paper to prove my expierence, such expierence would not be taken seriously. So having straight quailifications is the only entrence into that carer line for me to take. I could percieve the same problem for school leaver who would also have no expierence to back them up, only the grades they leave with.

sleazy -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 10:52:13 AM)
I have recently been trying to hire office juniors, in these instances there is rarely any experience to use as a basis for a judgement, and as an employer I know that a reference is good for no more than confirming dates of employment, in this day and age many employers will not even offer information on sickness rates or disciplinary actions. Therefore this last couple of weeks all I have had to go on in many cases has been a CV and perhaps a covering letter. If I had my choice I would have re-advertised the post, but as this was the 3rd round of doing so after an appaling crop of selectees the first couple of rounds I was pretty much stuck. Even when people have managed to come up with a presentable CV/resume and cover letter, and made it to interview the sheer lack of intelligence and good old fashioned common sense and skills has made me despair. All our operational staff are recruited exclusively from "uniformed trades", and there are already mumbles being made about extending this to administrative and clerical roles too simply as a result of both the terrible educational standards around today, and the, well I guess the words are quality of person. As someone who recently left IT, my advice would be switch course if possible to something of real value such as civil engineering or even plumbing :) Here in London a full swathe of MCSEs and a CCNA will earn you the same as a junior secretary in the typing pool!

FelinePersuasion -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 11:37:58 AM)
Yup when I went to highschool, which was not long ago 2003, we didn't have algebra and stuff untill about 6th /7th grade, when I went to keys class the requirement before adult ed 6 months or so ago, one of the guysthere had kids in grade school who werre doing pre algebra. quote: ORIGINAL: OffTheBeatenTrak From my expirence school student these days do tend to be ahead in terms of education compared to the education level of student when i was at school. Key aspects of subjects that were covered last year of school are now tend to be covered with in the first years of school.

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 11:47:03 AM)
sleazy, Although i do agree that it's probably not the best trade to lean towards, other than your reasons, i do believe that the trade will soon be saturated with A grade quailifications. Because I.T is the only other area that i have usable expierence, i decided to use the head start to make my expierence official and usable with in a work enviroment. Given my expierence, most of the course is just covering what i already know. The alternative for me would be to learn a trade from scratch, although i suppose this may be the road that i end up going down anyway.

Rumtiger -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 11:52:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation http://uk.news.yahoo.com/28022007/140/townie-children-think-cows-lay-eggs.html 1 in 10 8 year old british city kids do not know that pork chops come from a pig. 1 in 10 city kids didnt know where yoghurt comes from. 2% of city kids thought that eggs came from cows!! This is so wrong, are these kids never visiting the country, farms etc? I find it pretty sad. Thats funny, I dont know where "yoghurt" comes from either. And whats are these colours and this stuff called Armour too? [:D]

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 12:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation 1 in 10 8 year old british city kids do not know that pork chops come from a pig. 1 in 10 city kids didnt know where yoghurt comes from. 2% of city kids thought that eggs came from cows!! This is so wrong, are these kids never visiting the country, farms etc? I find it pretty sad. Having seen pre-school learning television programs aimed at 2 to 5 year olds, i notice that quite alot actually have very little in terms of educational matierial. And some are just dam right disturbing. I remember once switching the tele on when i got in from work at about 6 in the morning, and there was a kidies program called the boobars on. To watch it, makes you feel either you were on drug or dam well needed to be.

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 12:37:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion Yup when I went to highschool, which was not long ago 2003, we didn't have algebra and stuff untill about 6th /7th grade, when I went to keys class the requirement before adult ed 6 months or so ago, one of the guysthere had kids in grade school who werre doing pre algebra. One of the more noticable subject is I.T., when i was schooling I.T was only a minor subject which only covered the basics, but I.T is now a major subject which covers most aspects of computer litaricy.

soultoshare -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 1:48:15 PM)
When I was in school, back in the stone age, I didn't see fractions until about the 6th grade or so, give or take a year....my UM started doing them in the 1st grade! Biology in the 4th grade......I got that in the 10th grade. I was an average student, much to the dismay of my mother.....she aced math, I literally squeaked by with a point to spare. My neice at 5 years old, knew more about computers than I did! I've improved, but still....having to ask a 5 year old how to run photoshop is pretty pathetic! As I got older, and started off in ny chosen career field of law enforcement, I learned really fast that the book smarts don't mean jack when you're in a fight. Give me someone with street smarts and life experience over some 4.0 grade point average. That said, I have to admit that the education system today is still letting too many kids fall thru the cracks. Teachers today are truly underpaid, and overworked. They often foot the bill for alot of their own things needed to teach. And what they do teach seems to be specialized, the simple things just get overlooked. Add overcrowded classrooms, the level of violence in our schools, peer pressure....it's a wonder that kids are able to learn at all. And parents need to take part in the teaching of their own kids......field trips in school aren't done much, but my UM and I would go to zoos, museums, planetariums, all sorts of things like that. Of course, my UM is a farm kid.......was birthing calves when he was 8! Made the whole sexuality talk a whole lot easier....he already knew where babies came from first hand! His dad got the "How do babies get into their moms" question.....at a sunday dinner with ALL the famiy there! His timing has always been perfect! OK...done rambling.....blame it on the great painkillers! m

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 2:18:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: soultoshare When I was in school, back in the stone age, I didn't see fractions until about the 6th grade or so, give or take a year....my UM started doing them in the 1st grade! Biology in the 4th grade......I got that in the 10th grade. I was an average student, much to the dismay of my mother.....she aced math, I literally squeaked by with a point to spare. My neice at 5 years old, knew more about computers than I did! I've improved, but still....having to ask a 5 year old how to run photoshop is pretty pathetic! When and if i have kids, i want them to do the best possible and so on, although part of me wonders what the education level is likely to be as they get older. I wonder how parents would feel about thier 14-15 year old child being more educated and intellegent than the parents. I can't help but wonder how i would feel about it. It feels bad enought when the hamster out wits me. Lol [:D]..

soultoshare -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 2:48:53 PM)
I went thru that with my UM's math......we went shopping for his school suppilies, he showed me the calculator that he needed for his math class.....OMG!!!!! the thing must have had about 30 buttons on it! I'd need a class on just how to turn the blasted thing on! But what really upset me about his school was that instead of teaching the basics of math, english and the other classes, they are now teaching them to use the MACHINES instead. I couldn't help him with his math homework because it was more advanced than what I took in school! I once asked him how he would do his math if the batteries went dead in his calculator, his response to that was "I carrry extras...we all do!" I carried extra pens.....sometimes I can't help but wonder if all this technology is a help or hinderance to learning.

sleazy -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 3:02:11 PM)
I remember using good ole fashioned printed log & sin tables, not that I have ever used them since really, as for taking a calculator into an exam that would have got me in serious trouble. I was taught long division with pen and paper under the age of 11, I dread to think at what age it is taught now, if at all. I remember the balance scales at round the edge of the classroom, made of either wood or plastic for peanuts I would imagine, whereas at my sons school there were digital scales costing tens, if not hundreds of pounds each. Sure life is different now and balance scales and the abacus have been replaced, but certainly the balance scale actually teaches far more than weights and measures given a teacher that knows their bacon (or pork). I am not certain that a little box that produces an answer straight out gives any real understanding of how the answer was right, just imagine if a faulty batch of calculators were produced with a minor but consistent error in them, it could alter the entire world :)

seeksfemslave -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 3:04:09 PM)
Getting back to where eggs come from and if pigs are happy. Well I hope they are because they are so good looking they deserve to be. As for educational standards everybody knows they have collapsed. Just watch quiz shows on TV. A question about the latest moronic pop song answered in a flash. What is 99 minus 77...err errr errrrrr errrrrrrr Pass. lol

GeekyGirl -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 3:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy I dont think the issue is visting farms, more an issue of either visiting a school on a more regular basis, and those schools actually being allowed to teach. (yes there is a lot of blame to be laid at the feet of parents too) Bearing in mind that a school trip to a community farm requires site visits, risk assements, parental consents criminal record checks, and a box and a half of other paperwork I am was not really surprised to find out that my kids would be lucky to get one school trip per year. I'm giggling because I took ag classes at my small rural high school and we took "field trips" almost every day. We had classes that lasted an hour and half and a bus that was dedicated to the ag department...we would load up on the bus first thing and we would go out to different local farmers in the area and castrate piglets, rubberband goats, dehorn show goats, clip show steers, etc. We would also go to the slaughterhouse and stuff like that.

Dtesmoac -> RE: Townie kids. (3/1/2007 6:32:09 PM)
Having worked in the industrial food sector for some time...pork chops may not be described as only from a pig................ :) if you havn't seen it grow, killed it, followed it to the butcher and picked up the chops as he cut them................... you don't know whats in it........... :(

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/2/2007 8:59:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy I remember using good ole fashioned printed log & sin tables, not that I have ever used them since really, as for taking a calculator into an exam that would have got me in serious trouble. I was taught long division with pen and paper under the age of 11, I dread to think at what age it is taught now, if at all. I remember the balance scales at round the edge of the classroom, made of either wood or plastic for peanuts I would imagine, whereas at my sons school there were digital scales costing tens, if not hundreds of pounds each. Sure life is different now and balance scales and the abacus have been replaced, but certainly the balance scale actually teaches far more than weights and measures given a teacher that knows their bacon (or pork). I am not certain that a little box that produces an answer straight out gives any real understanding of how the answer was right, just imagine if a faulty batch of calculators were produced with a minor but consistent error in them, it could alter the entire world :) I remember that a large part of my math exams was the working out. In fact you actually lost alot of marks if you didn't show how you had worked out the answer. Having done a certain amount of book keeping and cash counting i find that using a calculater can actually hinder my math, mainly for the reason that you can't trace back for errors or cross check the maths.

OffTheBeatenTrak -> RE: Townie kids. (3/2/2007 9:23:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: soultoshare I went thru that with my UM's math......we went shopping for his school suppilies, he showed me the calculator that he needed for his math class.....OMG!!!!! the thing must have had about 30 buttons on it! I'd need a class on just how to turn the blasted thing on! But what really upset me about his school was that instead of teaching the basics of math, english and the other classes, they are now teaching them to use the MACHINES instead. I couldn't help him with his math homework because it was more advanced than what I took in school! I once asked him how he would do his math if the batteries went dead in his calculator, his response to that was "I carrry extras...we all do!" I carried extra pens.....sometimes I can't help but wonder if all this technology is a help or hinderance to learning. At least you can take satifaction in the fact that he probably would be able to work it with a pen. It would be interesting to find out if students are still capable of working out complex math with out the calculator. Another thing i can't help but notice is the amount of resource books. When i was schooling we got very large and heavy resoure books, usally at least 1 per subject and they were usally a decade old. I needed a bag and half to carry them, god you had to be fit in them days. Just glanced at the school bag lying on then dinning table, it's the size of a bloody pencil case. Not one single text or resource book just work books, maybe if you give them the books again it would give the kids the extra exercise that kids are supposedly missing these days.[:D]

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