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Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:34:46 AM

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/28022007/140/townie-children-think-cows-lay-eggs.html

1 in 10 8 year old british city kids do not know that pork chops come from a pig.
1 in 10 city kids didnt know where yoghurt comes from.
2% of city kids thought that eggs came from cows!!

This is so wrong, are these kids never visiting the country, farms etc? I find it pretty sad.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:43:29 AM

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If the kids knew what was in sausage and hot dogs- ....LOL

not to mention WHAT cows, steers are FED these days- and chemicals-hormones-anitbiotics-

mcdonals burger meat- to me is cut or canner- dog food.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:45:14 AM

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I dont think the issue is visting farms, more an issue of either visiting a school on a more regular basis, and those schools actually being allowed to teach. (yes there is a lot of blame to be laid at the feet of parents too)

Bearing in mind that a school trip to a community farm requires site visits, risk assements, parental consents criminal record checks, and a box and a half of other paperwork I am was not really surprised to find out that my kids would be lucky to get one school trip per year.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:52:08 AM

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My daughter goes on quite a few school trips to places and i know they visited a farm when she was knee high to a grasshopper. Ive taken her to farms and the countryside where they do talks on farm and country life etc. I think part of it is that they need to see these ways of life as well as city life.
Its ok telling them that eggs come from chickens and showing them pictures or films of chickens but nothing compares to sights, sounds, smells of real country life.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:54:34 AM

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I dunno...I grew up in the country, but wasn't too interested in where my bacon sandwich came from. I now live in a big city and I'm still not that interested.

All I know is, pigs roll around in shit and somehow they make their way into my fridge via Sainsbury's shelves.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 6:59:07 AM

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What about showing our kids all that life has to offer though?
Just because you dont care about country life in particular doesnt mean that other people feel the same. We are supposedly striving to educate our children and for them not to know something like where eggs come from i find appalling.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:06:45 AM

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Well, to each their own.

It's matter of personal taste i.e. what constitutes a decent education.

I think the youth of Britain should have far bigger concerns than the ins and outs of eggs and bacon, so if our kids are failing their pork chop exams, but setting themselves up for a prosperous life, then I'll applaud the government's choice in school curriculum.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:07:32 AM

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My kids both got first hand experience. And now they both live in the city

. The big wussies.The two little guys, ages 2 and now almost 4 both love hanging out on the farm. I am not cool enough because I just have horses and cows and a small tractor so this spring we have two field trips planned, one to a large pig farm and another to a turkey farm because they really want to see the inside of those huge buildings we keep driving past. Oh, and of course try to escape grannies clutches to climb on the farm equipment.

I wonder.......if collars and leads would be illegal............

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:08:44 AM

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I believe a well rounded education is best. There is no reason they cannot have both.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:12:31 AM

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quote:

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Well, to each their own.

It's matter of personal taste i.e. what constitutes a decent education.

I think the youth of Britain should have far bigger concerns than the ins and outs of eggs and bacon, so if our kids are failing their pork chop exams, but setting themselves up for a prosperous life, then I'll applaud the government's choice in school curriculum.

Can you honestly tell me that learning about erosion in rivers is more important than learning where our food comes from?
Just out of curiosity do you have kids in school and actually realise some of the useless crap they are taught?

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:13:53 AM

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I believe a well rounded education is best. There is no reason they cannot have both.

definately

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:20:34 AM

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LaT, I had the luxury of being brought up in the countryside, but also living a couple of miles from the coast. It was bliss on hot summer days. When I retire, it will be somewhere similar.

Having said this, I can't get excited about kids not being able to add a few more details to a pork chop.

As you say, a well-rounded education is what counts. Teachers only have so much resource and time at their disposal, so they need to make the best use of it. The three stats provided - these don't amount to a case for a failing education system.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:26:09 AM

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I wouldn't want my little Domidudes knowing anything about yogurt...It's proven that such knowledge can lead to "pussyesque" activities.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:31:46 AM

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The three stats provided - these don't amount to a case for a failing education system.
Did i say they did?
Nope!!

Food is essential to human existence though and i would think for most, not all it would be more important to understand food and where it comes from etc than erosion of rivers, cloud formations etc.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:32:55 AM

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Must admit, my kids probably learnt more of use and interest from happenings outside school than within. All of mine had basic reading writing and maths skills before they entered school, and whilst family day trips out were not educational in the traditional sense they almost always either learnt something new or used remembering a similar trip as a reason for a disscusion about similarities and differences. I left school knowing how to perfom compound interest calculations and as a result soon figured out credit cards were a bad idea, a simple and important lesson that it seems many today have not learnt or been taught. Knowing about Eid and Dwali or recycling and global warming have a place, but not to the extent that is preached in many state schools. Kids these days know about rising tides due to global warming, but not about flood plains and land reclamation in the middle ages that have a far bigger impact on if your basement gets flooded tomorrow.

I truly do fear for the future of this country where people can leave school with the kind of grades I used to dream of, yet would have been classed as "remedial" by the standards of the day and barely litterate when I went through the education mill. Both exam grades and teenage illeteracy are at the highest level in decades, surely the two cannot really exist hand in hand, unless of course smart teenagers are now even smarter (having recently interviewed for office juniors I doubt that very much) and dumb ones even dumber, with far less "average" students

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 7:44:21 AM

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quote:

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Both exam grades and teenage illeteracy are at the highest level in decades, surely the two cannot really exist hand in hand, unless of course smart teenagers are now even smarter (having recently interviewed for office juniors I doubt that very much) and dumb ones even dumber, with far less "average" students

Sleazy, this current government is obsessed with targets and, as a result, good grades do not necessarily equal a quality education.

What I will say however is that all the teachers I know say kids study harder today than when they were kids. The world is a more competitve place than when you or I were being schooled.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 8:04:51 AM

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Sorry NG, not convinced at all.

I was hiring last week (hence my abscence from these parts) and when somebody with a whole fistfull of top grades cannot even master a simple transport timetable or employee timesheet I am wondering just what all the extra studying is actually achieving, Im no prodigy but I can take a quick look at a spreadsheet and get a feeling for if the figures work or not, I can stand in the queue in the supermarket with the right money in my hand (god forbid I make it complicated by handing over £50.27 when the bill is £45.27). I know about the rain cycle, atomic weights, and why physics dictates that getting hit by a moving car is not a good thing. I would also argue about competitiveness, now it seems to me that if a person cant have they either just take or scream some form of discrimination. When we were at school getting into uni meant almost sweating blood, even for a "soft" subject like media studies, to go the oxbridge route and do medicine, physics, maths etc took far more than just mere dedication, and yet now anyone (except the moderately comfortable middle classes) is practically guaranteed a uni place of some sort.

Even paying far above average rates finding junior staff who posses what I would consider basic skills is practically impossible, at this rate it will not be long before a BSc is a basic requirement to be a library clerk here.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 8:12:21 AM

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An addition, if kids are studying harder than I did, and leave school (with a fist full of top grades) knowing less about the world and basic life skills than I did (with a handful of straight Cs) as seems to be the case, then I personally can see a real big problem there, something must really stink in the system.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 8:59:02 AM

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From my expirence school student these days do tend to be ahead in terms of education compared to the education level of student when i was at school. Key aspects of subjects that were covered last year of school are now tend to be covered with in the first years of school.

About 2 years after i left school i went to collage finding i had extra time around the main course i decide to retake GCSE maths, most because i didn't really try properly at maths and i still got a C grade so i thourght i'd do it properly this time and hopefully get a higher grade. Any way the point is, i was advised by the tutor that they would be no benifit to retake the course because the level of a C grade had raisen so much that any improvement i grain wouldn't be reflected with the end grade.

I think possibly the main problem here is that most of the resources and improvements are being concentrated to the later stages of school life in a bid to raise the 11+ and GCSE scores and targets. Unfortunatly i get the impression that the first few years of education are not much of a priority.

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RE: Townie kids. - 3/1/2007 9:08:09 AM

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I consider myself pretty educated but actually I don't blame them for not knowing pork chops come from a pig.

All meat here is called you know lambmeat, pigmeat, bullmeat etc so the name is seethrough it's a complete a giveaway. The word pork on the other hand isn't really connected to the pig, except for porker and seriously..who talks about porkers, I would not know what a porker (not in my own language) was at the age of 10.

All kids know milk comes from a cow..if they know yoghurt is a dairyproduct they probably would figure but really...who wonders where yoghurt comes from, I personally never think where from the food comes because then I'd often just simply throw up, like if every time I ate lamb and imagined the pretty little white lambs, I wouldn't be able to swallow at all. I don't necessarily think all kids know but I do agree it is a pretty common acknowledge.

Egg comes from cows now..that's inexcusable

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