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Skin health - 3/1/2007 8:49:50 PM

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Skin is the largest organ of the human body, or any mammal ot invertebrae almost.

The skin absorbs as well as exceretes. There is book out hat says "Don't put anything on your skin that you would not eat". There are things I disagree with in that book, not that I have read it, I am getting it after my buddy reads it, but I get reports.

He tells me that many of the things in the book are what I have been saying for years. But the book is not the subject of this text.

I have acne to this day, at 46. I am not going to submit to any high tech treatments because they only look for symptoms, not causes, but being an adult with acne has given me some insight. First of all it is not that bad. I get the breakout, and then some more right near it.

I have tried just about every topical you could imagine, including Fel's naptha soap. I got off that bandwagon just like all the other pills. I have not taken a pill in abot 20 years. I similarly shun all those preparations they sell at the drugstore. It has not gotten worse. I do NOTHING now and it is no worse, in fact maybe a bit better.

Now I have done some thinking on this, if I am breaking out, I am breaking OUT. That means it is coming from inside me. Don't gimme this clogging pores crap, it doesn't wash. All that should be coming from that pore is sweat, nothing that can clog it. Pores in human skin are designed to reject most things. If indeed an outside agent caused a blackhead, explain why the roots of the thing go all the way down to a blood vessel.

I bevieve that the skin is excreting poisons. People say that the liver/kidneys do that, but it is not true. Kidneys produce urine, that is true, but excreting poison is not their main function. They maintain a fluid level in the body, so to speak. The liver's main function is not to remove poisons, it extracts the components of bile from the digestive tract, a digestive substance used by the body, from this, it forms new bile that is used for future digestion. The gall bladder stores it until you eat normally. People who have no gall bladder must eat many times a day, smaller meals of course.

The stomach doesn't get rid of poisons unless you vomit.

Now comes the empirical evidence :

1. Nitro, contraceptive and nicotine patches work, maybe not for their intended purpose, but the substance is absorbed into the body.

2. A few years ago, an MD had a crop of kids, IIRC five. At least one was autistic. they said that mercury couldn't be the problem because there was all kind of mercury in the hair of their non-autistic children, and much lower levels in the hair of the autistic children. Someone else pointed out this pos hoc ergo propter hoc, that the kids who had it in their hair didn't have it in their organs (like the brain) or bloodstream. That was around the time they took most of the thimerosol out of vaccinations.

Thimerosol has alot of mercury in it and I think is is some sort of preservative for vaccines, but that is not the point right now.

I don't really know if the adaptation works here, but I will postulate.

You get so much poison in you every day no matter what, your health depends on what your body does with it. You could break out, or you could get an infection in one of your organs. What would you prefer ?

Would you rather have problems with you pancreas or kindeys or something, or have a few skin eruptions ? That is like asking whether you want your mercury (thimerosoal) in your hair or your brain.

So if we start up from a whole different perspective, what might we find ?

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RE: Skin health - 3/1/2007 9:27:30 PM

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The skin absorbs as well as exceretes. There is book out hat says "Don't put anything on your skin that you would not eat". There are things I disagree with in that book, not that I have read it, I am getting it after my buddy reads it, but I get reports.

I think I have that book, about holistic cures, and while I did not get a lot out of the book and cannot remember the name of it, I agree about the skin. More and more I try not to put anything on my skin that would make me sick to ingest. I use peppermint soap and I am going to try switching to natural deodorant.

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I bevieve that the skin is excreting poisons.

The stuff that comes after this portion makes me think that you do not believe that the rest of us believe this,... I thought this was common knowledge.

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You get so much poison in you every day no matter what, your health depends on what your body does with it. You could break out, or you could get an infection in one of your organs. What would you prefer ?

I think I would prefer to get less toxins for my body to deal with.

I quit smoking 2 years ago, shortly after that I stepped on the scales and found I weighed well over 200 lbs (slightly less than Anna Nicole, kinda built like her). I could not wait to lose the weight, I immediately signed up for the gym. I lost over 55 lbs. Burning the toxins by exercising over an hour and a half daily (sometimes more) caused me to burn through my fat reserves rather quickly. Toxins store in fat. My skin was a mess, in fact my skin has not completely cleared up until I went on South Beach because I eat mostly whole natural foods.

Best thing to do if you have bad skin, really watch what you eat because the more processed, the more toxic

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RE: Skin health - 3/1/2007 9:58:40 PM

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All acne is not created equal, especially for adults.

I'd say see a dermatologist and see what options there are for you.

Pimples are mostly due to pores being clogged so that impurities cannot escape out as they normally would and form a glob, and/or due to the pore becoming slightly infected, causing a rush of white blood cells to help take care of it.

WHY pores become clogged can be a few things- in teens it's often excess oil production. It can also be stress and genetics. What types of acne there are can vary greatly as well.

If it was poisons your body couldn't handle- you'd be having a lot more and different effects than just acne.

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RE: Skin health - 3/1/2007 10:03:10 PM

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If it was poisons your body couldn't handle- you'd be having a lot more and different effects than just acne.

I would agree with that... like depression, tiredness, hormonal difficulty, and immune problems.

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RE: Skin health - 3/1/2007 10:08:58 PM

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i have oily skin and what seems to help me the most is St. Ives apricot scub and a good non irritating cleanser like neutragina, i have to switch often the types of cleansers i use because my skin gets used to it....the only time i seem to have the most problem is about a week before i start my period...my roommate started using Proactive and it has helped him alot..i just started using it to see what it does to my skin...if the acne is really bothering you, try proactive its kinda expensive and if you dont have the money to put out for it, make sure you exfoliate your skin everyday to slough off the dead skin on the top layer and you sould see some kind of change...what do you have to lose?

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 12:04:00 AM

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Hard to respond to all of it at once, but here goes.

I shun pharmecutical products like the plague. I have not taken a pill in 20 years, and I never will. I will never use anything that says anti-bacterial or antiseptic on it. I use Ivory soap and Ivory soap only. On very rare occasions, instead I will use shampoo on my hair.

I am way beyond using a topical agent of any kind to cure this. Look at a cross sectional of the epidermis at any site, what is clogging the pore is most likely coming from the inside. When it is sweat, simply moisture the body autonomically produces to provide cooling by evaporation, everything is fine.

When this moisture is laden with fat, heavy metals, arterial plaque, excessive oily substances excreted throuth the arterial walls, that is when the problems occur. Atheletes sweat and don't break out because of it. Now we do not know whether it is because of diet, or their body chemistry. Time will tell as some of them succumb to diseases of old age, that shouldn't even exist.

The different kinds of acne, I MUST acknolwedge that. I think I have had all types in the past. It has subsided, let me give an example.

I get some in the face, they are not really bad like in the old days, but they happen, and alot of them are gone in several days. However I do remember the other kinds of acne, the painful ones, and the deep deep blackheads.

For a YEAR, I had a blackhead on my ankle. It oozed out this stuff with the consistency of, of shredded nylon. Incredibly strong. Many times I grabbed it and it broke, but one day I really got hold of the friggin thing and it came out. Now I got big legs/ankles/knees, but this was ½" long. That did not happen from any trauma to the skin, or anything like that. It was from inside. Deep inside, an artery for sure, not a vein.

In the beginning I used to just scratch it off. Later is when it got tough. When there was enough for my nails to grab it real good out it came, and not drop of blood.

Perhaps acne is a manifestation of a function of the human body. That is to creat a mini-organ for the sole purpose of removing a toxin from itself.

And I don't want to blow off those with the topical cures. Possibly they have a way to remain healthy by ridding their body of toxins through the skin, yet maintaining the skin meticuloulsly. I do not disnmiss that. But I would like to avoid it and stick with totally natural products.

Hmmm, who can say that the human body's reponse to a toxin, of creating an organ that will expel it through the skin, is not a good thing ? You want zits or cancer ? you want zits or diabetes ? You want zits or some new shit they can't even identify ?

Being Wholeistic/holistic I am very reluctant to mix the new with the old. I know it does not work. They can give you shots, but what do those shots do ? Force the poisons back into your organs ? Your brain or what ? What exactly does this drug do ?

And I firmly believe that drugs of a lesser species are found in many products.

What's more, even discounting that I believe that chemical dependencies are formed even without beginning to invite the description of a drug, like white sugar and table salt. There seems to be another level.

With the empirical evidence provided before, using common facts, I am suspicious of any fragrance, any topical anything except pure soap. Can they create an addiction to a fragrance without even giving the wearer a buzz. Or does the wearer actually get a buzz ? Perhaps not a quantifiable buzz, but a buzz nonetheless ? With fragrance, can they not induce an in-shower experience that gets people to keep buying their product ?

Do you think they are as honest as the tobacco companies were ?

Look again, and follow the money.

I didn't say smoking is good, I said follow the money. They gave lawyers open season on tobacco companies for a decade, and converted all that old money into new money, Probably some of it is New York money.

Doctors treat symptoms instead of the cause to make money. It is clear to me, is it clear to you ?

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 3:00:11 AM

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T, I break out on my palms and between my fingers when I'm under alot of stress.
When I first got this the Doctors called it alot of thing, but none of their ~cures~
worked. They thought it was something I touched, or something I ate. I was
the one who finally corolated that it happened with stress. Treating the symptoms
(intense itch) is about all the Doc's could do. But the funny thing is not one asked
about daily factors or my peace of mind.

I've had to learn to listen to my body rather then someone's words.
They have no idea what's going on, it's me who lives in here!
I think the best thing we can do is educate ourselves, ask questions we can
learn from and be kind to ourselves. Educated guessing doesnt always need a degree.

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 3:15:27 AM

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There's no question that stress manifests itself in so many different ways. I used to get the exact same thing, Quivver. Horribly itchy bumps that oozed clear liquid. They itched so bad I would scratch in my sleep...scratch until my finger was bloody. It was especially bad under my wedding ring. It turned out the toxic "thing" was my husband! LOL! Sad, but true.

Luckily, I've always had beautiful facial skin...got it from my mom, rest her soul. At 80 years old, that woman had scarcely any wrinkles and she used nothing on her skin. Never had acne when I was a teen.

However, I do have a mild case of psorisis. I say mild because I've only had one bad breakout...and that was when I found out that I had it. Looked like poison ivy on my arm...drove me nuts with the itching. Went to a dermotologist and he gave me the most wonderful combinations of medicines. I use them religiously and haven't had a breakout since.

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 7:39:16 AM

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Well enjoy your ignorant Luddism. You obviously haven't taken much time to research the actual issues here because I can assure you that the body can have clogged pores and cycsts in the skin that hold a LOT more gunk in it than what you described. The problem with your ankle was that it continued to be infected- you had to get the core out and clean out the infection before it would fully heal.

Acne is a clogged skin- dirt, oil, skin cells, white blood cells, which can manifest in a myriad of ways and even harden over time. But it's nothing more than that. If your body was producing or processing poisons, specially over a long period of time, you'd be having more symptoms than just normal acne.

But since you don't even like using shampoo on a regular basis and refuse to adapt in any way, it's just something you'll have to live with.

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 8:37:59 AM

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Horribly itchy bumps that oozed clear liquid. They itched so bad I would scratch in my sleep...scratch until my finger was bloody. It was especially bad under my wedding ring. It turned out the toxic "thing" was my husband! LOL! Sad, but true.

Um, are you sure it wasn't eczema? Those symptoms sound textbook.

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RE: Skin health - 3/2/2007 8:43:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

There's no question that stress manifests itself in so many different ways. I used to get the exact same thing, Quivver. Horribly itchy bumps that oozed clear liquid. They itched so bad I would scratch in my sleep...scratch until my finger was bloody. It was especially bad under my wedding ring. It turned out the toxic "thing" was my husband! LOL! Sad, but true.

Luckily, I've always had beautiful facial skin...got it from my mom, rest her soul. At 80 years old, that woman had scarcely any wrinkles and she used nothing on her skin. Never had acne when I was a teen.

However, I do have a mild case of psorisis. I say mild because I've only had one bad breakout...and that was when I found out that I had it. Looked like poison ivy on my arm...drove me nuts with the itching. Went to a dermotologist and he gave me the most wonderful combinations of medicines. I use them religiously and haven't had a breakout since.

Stress impacts the body;s ability to expel toxins. Stress impacts us on the cellular level.

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