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aviinterra -> Fighting crime before it happens (3/5/2007 12:35:40 PM)

The following is quite disturbing:
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  Civil libertarians are concerned that mind-reading technology may fit into a trend of pre-emptive security measures in which authorities could take action against individuals before they commit a crime — a scenario explored in the 2002 science fiction film "Minority Report."
Already, Britain is creating a national DNA database that would allow authorities to track people with violent predispositions. In addition, the government has also floated the idea of locking up people with personality disorders that could lead to criminal behavior.


The above quote is from this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17464320/
Although the mind-reading technology is very new and early, it is a matter of time before it develops enough to be used widely. Question is- are we going to allow our thoughts- the very inner private self- to be read by the govt. "for our safety"? When and where do we draw the line between keeping our nations safe and keeping our freedoms- the ones that our ancestors would have never imagined would be in danger?




farglebargle -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/5/2007 12:42:01 PM)

Gemans, eh?

Figures.





NorthernGent -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/5/2007 12:44:32 PM)

I'm fairly sure the DNA database is at proposal stage and isn't yet at the creating stage.

Regardless, it's a worrying prospect.

The problem is that the horse bolted a long time ago. The climate of fear and exaggerated terrorist threat was always intended to pave the way towards impeding civil liberties and it has worked as per centuries of well-worn propaganda techniques. ID card schemes, DNA databases, locking up people without a trial, shooting innocent people - none of these would have been accepted, or considered, without the climate of fear.




LadyEllen -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/5/2007 2:48:09 PM)

All people taken into custody in the UK have their DNA taken. In addition, every year many more samples are taken for the purpose of elimination of suspects from inquiries. These samples are kept on file, with the result that the authorities already have a large database of samples, and using this they have been able to solve quite a few old crimes as much as decades old already.

Next up are the new ID cards, which will incorporate fingerprints and DNA sample (whatever is being said now) and will out of necessity have to be acquired by every person in the UK - thus building a full DNA database of the entire population. The argument that the police ought to have access to this database for the purposes of solving crime more effectively, is irrestible; every victim of crime wants justice, after all.

And if the police have access, then why not also the health service, given the great utility of it in curing patients? After all, none of us wish to suffer unnecessarily, and the possible savings made possible by being able to read a patient down to DNA level and thus prescribe tailor made treatments are not to be sniffed at.

But here is the problem with all this, and with the likes of mind reading technology and predictive techniques; the UK government has over the last two decades commissioned multiple IT projects, designed to expedite information management and so service delivery - and on every occasion, the projects have failed, miserably, after having cost many times more than the budgeted cost. So, we might think that the Big Brother future is impossible - except that, even where these projects have failed miserably, this has not prevented the government from implementing them - the Child Support Agency system being a case in point, a system which has recurrently misidentified those whom it chased for payment and a system which through its errors and automated procedures has caused untold misery to fathers, some of whom have killed themselves over it, and to families who despite all this, still failed to pay on the child support it had gathered.

Imagine then, how a government with this level of incompetence and intransigence in the design and execution of its systems, will result not in sure and certain judgements when it comes to identifying criminals or ascertaining your health needs, or even more sinisterly in tracing and tracking your every move, word and deed, but in repeated misidentifications which it will of course deny, with consequences for all and anyone on the basis of a lottery. Their malfunctioning software picks out your DNA, and you are bang to rights for a murder in London, even though you have a dozen alibis from the holiday you were on in Spain at the time.

Of course though, this can be very useful, if one is acting with less than honourable motives. Say for instance, we managed to identify by way of their DNA, the activists of a certain political party as the perpetrators of various criminal offences, over the year or so between election campaigns. They are removed from play, leaving our candidate to romp home and win. We might of course, later "discover the error", but in the meantime we have our majority in the house, though of course the most important thing in order to prevent public disquiet, is that we assure the public throughout that the DNA database and the system we use is 100% accurate and reliable. Such a level of veracity might even permit the reintroduction of the death sentence and then of course, the release of our "criminals" is beyond all possibility. And we have the added benefit that we can paint that political party as being criminal throughout, so destroying it.

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seeksfemslave -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/5/2007 3:37:04 PM)

LadyE: with the exception of the last paragraph a nice little return to "off topic section" lol.




MasDom -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/12/2007 1:09:46 PM)

Wow i,m screwed.
Can you say criminally insane?....
    I know I can....




Real0ne -> RE: Fighting crime before it happens (3/12/2007 4:33:38 PM)


How kool!

i love the idea of rfid!

can watch them pop when ya throw them in a microwave.  That should be great fun.

Can build our own tranceivers so we can just walk by people, trigger their transmitter and store it in a database and then randomly send it out as ya drive by stores and banks etc...  i cant begin to tell you how much fun that would be... make 20 of them the same and stick em to cars going in different directions!  LOL

What really kool is the implantable ones.  i can imagine if the government had a really evil guy get in and decided to seal in a bit of licen in each one of those little chips in certain segments of the population or even hormones to trigger cancer like they did in africa...  push a button and a certain group is history...  the fun they could have huh?

DNA is great too, since they know how to charge insurance based on what they think you will get, i havent figured out how to have any fun with that one yet but i will  Grinz

Singing love love me do and thinking happy thoughts while unloading 300 rounds LOL

The only real danger is national id's implantables and dna.  the rest is bullshit

These assholes think they have it rough now wait till they see the can of worms they are opening up LMFAO

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