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thetammyjo -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/6/2007 7:48:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bacchas quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo I always find it interesting that when a question about gender arises people either reply primarily with answers about sex or about gender roles; very few actually discuss gender.... My question was litterly about gender. It appeared to me that females were more in demand making harder for me to find someone to play with. But then when I actually sat down and counted, and determined that it was about even with most people not carring one way or the other. This thread pretty much reinforces my hypothosis and it appears I had a case of the "grass is greener" syndrome. Thanks people. Except the word "females" isn't a gender word, it's a biological sex word. Gender would be masculine, feminine, androgynous, neuter. Gender role would be man, woman, boy, or girl.

cloudboy -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/6/2007 9:09:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lashra My sub is a masculine male What exactly is a "masculine male." Is that some subset of the general male population? I kind of understand a "feminine" female, which sort of implies dresses, heels, makeup, and 1950ish values (or some such stereotype), but still "masculine male" and "feminine female" strike me as redundant descriptors.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/6/2007 9:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy What exactly is a "masculine male." Is that some subset of the general male population? Actually, its a subset of the submissive male population. I prefer femenine males, whereas she prefers masculine ones. Masculine male is the opposite of the sissy types that are so common, as well as the forced femme, the CD and the TV. If femenine female implys a standard of dress, then we can say masculine male is someone who dresses like a "real man". Rough and tumble, rugged and bristling with testosterone. my 2 cents to clarify DV

Lordandmaster -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/6/2007 9:18:20 PM)
Actually, it was about sex, not gender. Basically...sex is whatcher born with, gender is what society turns you into. I think you were asking whether people want their subs with a penis or a vagina, right? quote: ORIGINAL: bacchas My question was litterly about gender. It appeared to me that females were more in demand making harder for me to find someone to play with. But then when I actually sat down and counted, and determined that it was about even with most people not carring one way or the other.

littlesarbonn -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/6/2007 10:16:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn I think it's threads like this one that make me sometimes realize I'm pursuing a quixotic prize in relationships when the ones I most identify with tend to be more interested in women than men. It often brings up the thought that perhaps vanilla really is where I should be looking for what I seek. No D I don't think you should do that. I do think you should learn how you fit into those types. I've known/watched you a very long time. years and I think you would fit nicely in a woman poly family family serving two women. I really do. I'm not kidding. Sounds great. Now finding that brings me back to square one.

thetammyjo -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 6:39:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lashra My sub is a masculine male What exactly is a "masculine male." Is that some subset of the general male population? I kind of understand a "feminine" female, which sort of implies dresses, heels, makeup, and 1950ish values (or some such stereotype), but still "masculine male" and "feminine female" strike me as redundant descriptors. No. Male and Female indicate biological sex. Masculine and Feminine are gender. Men and Women are gender roles.

BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 7:04:50 AM)
I prefer a fit younger female however we as a couple have owned male slaves...What ever floats your boat,with lots of hard work around here a hard working boy has his place here...Placed in Chastity and lives his life that way and as a reward every blue moon hes allow by his own hand to relive himself into glass and drink it for even his cum belongs to us and it would be disrespectful to dump it on the ground...bounty

cloudboy -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 7:14:08 AM)
Dear Tammyjo and Diurnal V, Don't worry, I'll just pretend I understand everything. Is Hillary Clinton Masculine because she's running for President of the USA? Is a guy feminine if his girlfriend fucks him with a strap on? Is it feminine or masculine to be adept in the kitchen? Is it feminine or masculine to lift weights? My wife regards me as primarily masculine whereas my Mistress regards me as feminine and claims I'm "the girl" in our relationship. (This has nothing to do w/clothes.) In sum, from my POV, by not defining either "masculine" or "feminine" --- they become so overbroad and ambiguous as to become almost meaninglessness. Also, most people are too complicated to fit neatly into one or the other category. (As I see it.) Just to play along though, I like masculine, hot women.

DiannaVesta -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 8:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn quote: ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn I think it's threads like this one that make me sometimes realize I'm pursuing a quixotic prize in relationships when the ones I most identify with tend to be more interested in women than men. It often brings up the thought that perhaps vanilla really is where I should be looking for what I seek. No D I don't think you should do that. I do think you should learn how you fit into those types. I've known/watched you a very long time. years and I think you would fit nicely in a woman poly family family serving two women. I really do. I'm not kidding. Sounds great. Now finding that brings me back to square one. This is what I find really odd about you. You have my yahoo messenger already so you're welcome to reply. It has been on my mind tho. You talk about female supremacy and I know our views are very much in line, however I see you more active on general bdsm sites then I do on femdom sites. Why is that? I turned femsupreme into a free femdom community and I've seen you there once. I've always supported you but you rarely support me. Then you post what you post here wondering why you can't find what you're looking for. Have you ever considered that maybe subconsciously you’re sabotaging yourself? In all the years I’ve seen you around I hear the same thing come out of your mouth.

DiannaVesta -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 8:10:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER I prefer a fit younger female however we as a couple have owned male slaves...What ever floats your boat,with lots of hard work around here a hard working boy has his place here...Placed in Chastity and lives his life that way and as a reward every blue moon hes allow by his own hand to relive himself into glass and drink it for even his cum belongs to us and it would be disrespectful to dump it on the ground...bounty Love it. Exactly how I feel.

TigressFL -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 11:04:12 AM)
I enjoy both males and females. I really enjoy the differences. ~TigressFL~

thetammyjo -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 4:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Dear Tammyjo and Diurnal V, Don't worry, I'll just pretend I understand everything. Is Hillary Clinton Masculine because she's running for President of the USA? Is a guy feminine if his girlfriend fucks him with a strap on? Is it feminine or masculine to be adept in the kitchen? Is it feminine or masculine to lift weights? My wife regards me as primarily masculine whereas my Mistress regards me as feminine and claims I'm "the girl" in our relationship. (This has nothing to do w/clothes.) In sum, from my POV, by not defining either "masculine" or "feminine" --- they become so overbroad and ambiguous as to become almost meaninglessness. Also, most people are too complicated to fit neatly into one or the other category. (As I see it.) Just to play along though, I like masculine, hot women. When I use the term gender I'm thinking of two things. Stereotypes of what masculinity and feminity are AND this wonderful gender identity test you can take to see if you are masculine, feminine, neuter or androgynous. The test uses personality traits that are stereotypes of what is masculine and feminine in late 20th century western culture -- it wouldn't be of much value for a non-western person to take for example or someone from 400 years ago to take. Masculine traits in this test are things like assertiveness, decision making skill, drive to protect, leadership, etc. Feminine traits in this test are things like nurturing, kindness, openness, being a follower or helper, etc. You can see the stereotypes here, right? High scores on the Masculine traits = masculine gender. High scores on the Feminine traits = feminine gender High scores on both sets = androgynous gender. Low scores on both sets = neuter gender. The person taking the test is not told which traits are which simply how highly do they assoicate said trait with themselves and then a professional pyschologist would score it. I and a whole group of friends first took it back in college and I've taken it a few years ago with Tom and Fox. I always come out androgynous and so does Fox; Tom tends to come out neuter. All I know is that I really dislike those stereotypes of what is masculine and feminity, what is the ideal man or woman. Both annoy me almost equally.

MzMia -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 8:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bacchas I doesn't appear this forum has a poll option (or I'm just missing it), so I offer up this question in an informal manner. If you're going to play with a submissive/slave, does the person's gender matter to you and if so what is your preference? humm at this stage I prefer male submissives, but that could change one day. If it was just for play, no the gender would not matter. hehehehe[:D]

DiurnalVampire -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/7/2007 8:29:41 PM)
I would agree, Cloud, that not everyone fits into one gender role or another. But in general, we mostly undertant the implications if a guy si masculine or femenine, and if a woman is. You have a mental picture of each, which is what we are working with. I prefer the stereotypical femenine looking person in general. I prefer my males to be effeminate in appearance, to be very gentle and soft spoken and to have traits of a stereotypical female. DV

firefey -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/8/2007 12:09:52 AM)
to put it another way, sex is which bitz you've got and gender is how those bits are viewed and related to by others while sexuality is how you and your bitz relate with both you and others. i am female (got girl bitz) with masciline/androgynous traits (i tend to be the agressor but am also hostessy and nurturing) and i'm bisexual. who do i like for partners? e) all of the above. i like males, females, feminine men, masculine women, boys, bois, girls and gurls. right now i'm seeking a girl pet since that is what will best fit into my life and lifstyle. but a boy could be good fun too.

MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/8/2007 1:31:34 AM)
Can play with anyone playful of either gender, but prefer male gender for relationships. Current partner looks incredibly masculine, has a very macho job and hobbies but cross dresses. He loves his feminine side. I don't know how to label that!! I like to play with other "Mistresses" (often switches) with me leading and my male sub submitting to both. These girls get crushes on me from time to time......but as a straight woman, I don't lead them on. I have made the mistake of toying with the affections of lesbian/bi women in the past and it only ends up hurting them unfairly

skareamoos -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/8/2007 5:57:04 AM)
They all like to play until we get old. (SULK)

BlackSakura -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (3/15/2007 5:18:53 PM)
The term gender identity is used to distinguish a social role and/or personal identity that is distinct from biological sex. This is how a person feels on the inside. The term gender role is used to signify all those things that a person says or does to disclose himself or herself as having the status of boy or man, girl or woman, respectively. "Masculine" and "feminine" are adjectives usually used to describe a person's demeanor, or gender role. The term sex is used to describe a person's biological gender. Here is where I think some confusion arises. "Male" and "female" are used to describe both gender identity and sex. Although they're being used correctly, there still remains a bit of ambiguity in conversation. For example, I am a male to female transgender who happens to be feminine. This means that my biological sex is male. My gender identity, however, is female and my demeanor is feminine. The way in which I present myself to the world as well as how I feel inside is female. You can think of it as having a man's body and a woman's brain! Gender is a rainbow. Another example, my friend Simon is a female to male transsexual who is more feminine. His appearance is very masculine but his demeanor is more feminine. As for me, I like subs of the male gender identity and male sex and are masculine.

whipingherfeet -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (4/19/2007 6:20:10 AM)
a slave girl

MistressLorelei -> RE: What gender sub do you prefer? (4/19/2007 6:32:44 AM)
I do not enjoy "play". My role in bdsm consists within the realm of a relationship. Even if I choose not to have intercourse with a submissive, I still need to feel attracted to him. Women as wonderful as we are, just don't do it for me. I prefer a male who looks like a male. I find more power in looking down and seeing the epitome of physical strength and masculinity (though not too hairy) on his knees at my feet, even if he may be wearing panties. Go figure!

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