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FukinTroll -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 1:18:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret


Also, if you were going to train for something like this, how would you do it?

Be well,


Just a thought, but you could train by practicing a whipstitch. Then the night before the Royal Rumble you can sew him into the sheet.




KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 4:02:59 PM)

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The one I'm planning to use the next time is a head to toe massage with my favorite lotion. 
 

Are you planning to negotiate this ahead of time? Cause I’m thinkin; once you let him up…..smiles….

This brings up another point I thought was interesting. He insisted I pick something I wanted….in case I “win”…..what’s up with that? :)

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He gives the best massages, but usually I only get knots worked out or such.  Slaves don't get more, he says.  LOL 


Don’tch ya just luv when they do/say that sort of thing?

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Give me an hour-long full body massage and by the time he's through the rest of the evening's details are taken care of.  ;)


Oh yes, I happen to be a fan of those myself…not sure I could make it a full hour…patience is a virtue, and I really need to get me some…. I’d be willing to give it my best effort though. :D

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It works in just about any "atypical" situation where the action seems to contradict submission.  Many of my household responsibilities involve making decisions and handling things that I keep hearing are the master's job (he is away on business roughly half of the year), so it is important for me to remind myself that the submission is in the obedience if not readily apparent in the act itself.
 

I understand what your saying and as it started sinking in ….the expression “if this is what you really want” popped into my head; along with the scene from the “Rocky” movie, where Rocky and Apolo have their unofficial rematch….only it is Sir and I. It doesn’t quite turn out the same as in the movie though. I see me doing the imaginary “ding…ding”…Sir looking at me, his eye brows raised with a “Oh really!?!?” look on his face ….then….. everything goes black. Do you think it’s a sign? :l

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Maybe the correct word here isn't fight so much as struggle?  I doubt he wants you to just lay there and let him do it.
 
I wouldn’t think so either…what fun could that be?

I find the entire scenario rather funny and to be honest it sounds like something mine would come up with...especially when it gets to the part about providing you with scissors but keeping you safe.

Yes, irony…like little kicks in the stomach that make you hold your breath for just a moment, thinking that it will hurt; until you realize I didn’t.

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Survivor


Hehehe :)

Oh yea, I remember now. Thanks :)

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Just a thought, but you could train by practicing a whipstitch. Then the night before the Royal Rumble you can sew him into the sheet.


Now that I have done a google search to find out just what a “whipstitch” is...*shakes head* nothing along the lines I was thinking…..what’s up with the homework? ….I can comment on your advice. I see three small possible problems…..one…I believe at some point I would have to let him out. I don’t see that working in my favor. Perhaps I am looking at it wrong? Two….It’s all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out. I doubt there will be time to slap some safety goggles on him before the stitching starts...though it might stung him for a moment. Three….We do not live together. When he gets here…it’s go time!!

I am hopeful that I have watched “Star Wars” enough that I am able to do a Jedi mind trick on him. Unfortunately it has been awhile since I’ve seen one…..I should probably brush up. In case that doesn’t work…any other ideas? Remember, I’m small; so I’m quick….like a fox! :D

Be well,




smilingjaguar -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 6:00:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Are you planning to negotiate this ahead of time? Cause I’m thinkin; once you let him up…..smiles….


Me winning is rare enough that he gives me what I want.  It keeps the fight in me.  It's also a nice change of pace for both of us.

This brings up another point I thought was interesting. He insisted I pick something I wanted….in case I “win”…..what’s up with that? :)

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Don’tch ya just luv when they do/say that sort of thing?


I do, actually.  Yummy/irritating little reminder of my place.

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Give me an hour-long full body massage and by the time he's through the rest of the evening's details are taken care of.  ;)


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Oh yes, I happen to be a fan of those myself…not sure I could make it a full hour…patience is a virtue, and I really need to get me some…. I’d be willing to give it my best effort though. :D


Well, the hour because the torment of the waiting combined with lots of contact gets us both really hot. [;)]

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I understand what your saying and as it started sinking in ….the expression “if this is what you really want” popped into my head; along with the scene from the “Rocky” movie, where Rocky and Apolo have their unofficial rematch….only it is Sir and I. It doesn’t quite turn out the same as in the movie though. I see me doing the imaginary “ding…ding”…Sir looking at me, his eye brows raised with a “Oh really!?!?” look on his face ….then….. everything goes black. Do you think it’s a sign? :l


"If this is what you really want" was the first part of really accepting his idea of what submission was instead of plugging my idea in and expecting him to meet it.  It's much more of a state of being for me now.  He wants, he gets.  Screw what it looks like superficially.  There is such a thing as overthinking.

I do have to admit that I've never seen Rocky, so I have no idea what you are talking about there.

Kim




dawntreader -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 6:06:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Now that I have done a google search to find out just what a “whipstitch” is...*shakes head* nothing along the lines I was thinking…..what’s up with the homework? ….I can comment on your advice. I see three small possible problems…..one…I believe at some point I would have to let him out. I don’t see that working in my favor. Perhaps I am looking at it wrong? Two….It’s all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out. I doubt there will be time to slap some safety goggles on him before the stitching starts...though it might stung him for a moment. Three….We do not live together. When he gets here…it’s go time!!

I am hopeful that I have watched “Star Wars” enough that I am able to do a Jedi mind trick on him. Unfortunately it has been awhile since I’ve seen one…..I should probably brush up. In case that doesn’t work…any other ideas? Remember, I’m small; so I’m quick….like a fox! :D

Be well,


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 6:40:41 PM)

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Me winning is rare enough that he gives me what I want.  It keeps the fight in me.  It's also a nice change of pace for both of us.


That’s good. I think with Sir, if it wasn’t prearranged, it could go either way. I kind of get a “roadrunner/coyote” sort of vibe.

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I do, actually.  Yummy/irritating little reminder of my place.


Yes, it is. :)

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Well, the hour because the torment of the waiting combined with lots of contact gets us both really hot.


I’m at a place in my life where if a feakin breeze blows by from the right direction, I’m there; an hour of full body massage…I’d be melting uncontrollably all over the place.

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]"If this is what you really want" was the first part of really accepting his idea of what submission was instead of plugging my idea in and expecting him to meet it.  It's much more of a state of being for me now.  He wants, he gets.  Screw what it looks like superficially.[/quote 

I was specifically referring to my finally understanding what it was he actually wanted…..not questioning wheather or not he knew what he wanted. :)

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There is such a thing as overthinking.


LOL…funny you should say this. I am often told by Sir that I think too much….any ideas on how to make it stop?

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I do have to admit that I've never seen Rocky, so I have no idea what you are talking about there.
 

Too bad, really, the visual was priceless. :)

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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
I have to admit… it cracks me up every time I read it too. :)
 
Be well,




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 8:17:19 PM)

Sounds like a very good time..one little thing you may consider however..if he is wishing to cut or tear your clothes..you may consider on the day of event to rather than wear your clothes put something of his on instead..:0)..he may then feel somewhat hesitant to rip or tear..lol..which may help even your odds a wee bit...[:D]..Tempting




smilingjaguar -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/4/2007 8:36:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

That’s good. I think with Sir, if it wasn’t prearranged, it could go either way. I kind of get a “roadrunner/coyote” sort of vibe.


I never expected him to actually give in the first few times.  The answer I gave is the one he gave me.  The mouse will eventually stop running the maze if the cheese is never there. :-)

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I’m at a place in my life where if a feakin breeze blows by from the right direction, I’m there; an hour of full body massage…I’d be melting uncontrollably all over the place.


We set a timer for these things.  Melting uncontrollably all over the place is most of the fun. The first time I tried this one, it never occurred to me that "full body" meant my nether regions, too.  He is a very evil man, and I love him. *veg*  For the most part, he goes along with it even though his interpretations border on those of a lawyer...a crooked trial lawyer.

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LOL…funny you should say this. I am often told by Sir that I think too much….any ideas on how to make it stop?


I am not a "natural submissive".  It isn't the first thing that drives me (I crave pain), so it took a lot of mental and emotional work to get there.  When I start overthinking, I focus on the instant in front of me and obeying.  I tend to start thinking in terms of "omg if I do this, then it makes me ___ and our relationship is ___".  I *have* to focus on the obedience and the moment or mentally I'm a dog chasing my tail.  If I make it sound simple it is because if I couldn't make it simple I couldn't do it. *smile*

Bringing this is because I forgot to address it...

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This brings up another point I thought was interesting. He insisted I pick something I wanted….in case I “win”…..what’s up with that? :)


He's getting a freebie "ultimate" want...something you don't think he'll give you on his own.  Make it a good one.




KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/7/2007 7:33:59 PM)

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Sounds like a very good time..one little thing you may consider however..if he is wishing to cut or tear your clothes..you may consider on the day of event to rather than wear your clothes put something of his on instead..:0)..he may then feel somewhat hesitant to rip or tear..lol..which may help even your odds a wee bit... ..Tempting


I like your plan. Unfortunately, he does not have clothes here for me to wear but, I was thinking I could improvise by buying him an outfit and putting it on for when he comes, then asking him how he likes the new outfit I got for him. What do ya think?

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I never expected him to actually give in the first few times.  The answer I gave is the one he gave me.  The mouse will eventually stop running the maze if the cheese is never there. :-)


He has a good point.

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We set a timer for these things.  Melting uncontrollably all over the place is most of the fun.


Well…..I could use some practice in begging ;) ….and like I said…patients :)

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The first time I tried this one, it never occurred to me that "full body" meant my nether regions, too. He is a very evil man, and I love him. *veg*  For the most part, he goes along with it even though his interpretations border on those of a lawyer...a crooked trial lawyer.


Lol….I can definitely relate.

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*veg* 


What does this mean?

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I am not a "natural submissive".  It isn't the first thing that drives me (I crave pain), so it took a lot of mental and emotional work to get there.


This would be one of those things I think too much about. :)

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When I start overthinking, I focus on the instant in front of me and obeying. I tend to start thinking in terms of "omg if I do this, then it makes me ___ and our relationship is ___".  I *have* to focus on the obedience and the moment or mentally I'm a dog chasing my tail.  If I make it sound simple it is because if I couldn't make it simple I couldn't do it. *smile*


If I am with him, I pretty much go into auto pilot. My problem starts more or less in “down time”, when I start going over events or conversations in my head. I start wondering if I understood what he said the way he meant it, or was there some secret alternative meaning I should have picked up on…stuff like that.


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He's getting a freebie "ultimate" want...something you don't think he'll give you on his own.  Make it a good one.


Too late…lol Not that I picked a bad one, but next time, I will be more prepared. :)

Be well,




Aswad -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 2:09:58 AM)

Just curious. Are there any other martial artists than myself in this thread?

It always seemed to me that something like jujutsu (without the weapons etc, of course) would be more appealing than simply wrestling, and more intense. One imagines pain tolerance training might work well in such a setting as well.





KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 5:03:12 AM)

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It always seemed to me that something like jujutsu (without the weapons etc, of course) would be more appealing than simply wrestling, and more intense.


*Looks around nervously*
Did Sir talk to you? I was only kidding when I told him I was a ninja in another life …..really!!!

Be well,




BoundDragon -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 5:17:34 AM)

I love wrestling or fighting... it really gets me turned on, especially if I'm losing.

Being a kickboxer means that the session always lasts a minimum of half an hour but generally my stamina is lacking... so after holding my own for a while I start to weaken.

I have never had an unfair fight... have always started fully clothed and untied...  losing usually involves me being pinned or tied so he can do what ever he wants.... I love it, it works for both of us. Although when I get defensive I have been accused of going very cat like.. which I have always thought funny because I feel very animal inside during stuff like this.

All in all fighting and wrestling is an awesome activity in any form. I'd be quite interested to try what your master has planned, sounds like fun and I love pretty desperate odds.

At the end of the day you are serving him and having some fun at the same time... go for it... dont worry about it as you'll enjoy it less.

I'd be interested to hear how this one turns out




MistressNiine -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 5:24:01 AM)

As a black-belted martial artist (Wing-Chun), I do incorporate SOME aspects of MA in BDSM scenes when appropriate, but one has to remember that MAs are a form of real-time combat.  Some, such as Wing Chun, are indeeed the basis for Special Forces training -case in point, the US Navy Seals training has taken a great deal of its foundation from Wing Chun, Dim Mak, Lumpai Hung Gar Kung Fu, among other forms and stramilined/specialized them into very workable combat training in today's environment. Pain tolerance training is a consideration, but there is the very real possibility of the untrained person causing very serious or life threatening problems when attempting to apply MA to BDSM. As always in the scene, or anywhere, common sense needs to be used on both the Dom and the subs part.




BoundDragon -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 5:33:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressNiine

As a black-belted martial artist (Wing-Chun), I do incorporate SOME aspects of MA in BDSM scenes when appropriate, but one has to remember that MAs are a form of real-time combat.  Some, such as Wing Chun, are indeeed the basis for Special Forces training -case in point, the US Navy Seals training has taken a great deal of its foundation from Wing Chun, Dim Mak, Lumpai Hung Gar Kung Fu, among other forms and stramilined/specialized them into very workable combat training in today's environment. Pain tolerance training is a consideration, but there is the very real possibility of the untrained person causing very serious or life threatening problems when attempting to apply MA to BDSM. As always in the scene, or anywhere, common sense needs to be used on both the Dom and the subs part.


I completely agree... you have to be aware of what you are capable of and not go all out.
I have always just gone for more what could be considered as light sparring... luckily my partner is also trained in some form of martial arts so it is evenly matched.

I would never go for a full brutal attack... that is how people get hurt.




KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 6:10:18 AM)

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All in all fighting and wrestling is an awesome activity in any form. I'd be quite interested to try what your master has planned, sounds like fun and I love pretty desperate odds.


mmmmm…..gotta luv them odds

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At the end of the day you are serving him and having some fun at the same time... go for it... dont worry about it as you'll enjoy it less.


I’m sure any fears/uncertainties I’ve had are of the unknown and once I’ve had a chance to “play” a time or two I will be confident in what I am doing. Thank you for your reassurance. I appreciate it.
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I'd be interested to hear how this one turns out


*smiles* I’ll be happy to share; if not for educational purposes…you know… what to do…. what not to do…. first aid……, then definitely humor relief.

Sooooo….If you were starting off tied…would you try to untie, or disable him first?

Be well,




BoundDragon -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 8:05:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Sooooo….If you were starting off tied…would you try to untie, or disable him first?

Be well,


OO...I'd try and get my legs locked around his arms and chest so I can try & free myself without him getting a head start.

Training deffinately needed to strengthen your leg muscles for that one, not easy to lock your legs that tight and hold on while he's wriggling.

Mind you... if there are gonna be scissors around (please take great care) you may be able to cut yourself out of the ropes that bind you..............

hmmmmm.........

now I'm feeling frisky...... Damn it............ wheres a good play fight when you want one???




Aswad -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 1:50:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Did Sir talk to you? I was only kidding when I told him I was a ninja in another life …..really!!!


Funny you should mention it... ninjutsu (from any of the X-kans) works very well in this regard, too...





Aswad -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 2:43:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressNiine

As a black-belted martial artist (Wing-Chun), I do incorporate SOME aspects of MA in BDSM scenes when appropriate, but one has to remember that MAs are a form of real-time combat.  Some, such as Wing Chun, are indeeed the basis for Special Forces training -case in point, the US Navy Seals training has taken a great deal of its foundation from Wing Chun, Dim Mak, Lumpai Hung Gar Kung Fu, among other forms and stramilined/specialized them into very workable combat training in today's environment. Pain tolerance training is a consideration, but there is the very real possibility of the untrained person causing very serious or life threatening problems when attempting to apply MA to BDSM. As always in the scene, or anywhere, common sense needs to be used on both the Dom and the subs part.


I am perfectly aware that "real" martial arts are martial, and that even the "sport" MA's still have some elements of this. The point, for me, about the physical aspect of martial arts training, is to learn a wide range of responses and to master my body dynamics, observation skills and risk management; this lowers the risk to myself and others during an attack, as well as allowing me to respond with something less than lethal force when defending myself.

In the art I train, we emphasize learning the anatomy and body dynamics through direct experience in full-contact partnered training, as well as conditioning muscle reflexes that utilize these body dynamics in a manner that is based on instinctive responses (avoid this, break that, lock those, etc.) that are given form through these body dynamics when they are assimilated into your natural movements.

Knowledge of how your own body, and the body of the recipient, works, as well as knowing exactly how much something hurts, or how much stress it puts on your body, is something that has myriad benefits.

While we haven't trained with whips yet, it is part of the curriculum, along with other chain weapons. I will say that the body dynamics I have learned so far have taken the impact of my whipping from needing a dozen strokes at full strength in order to elicit squirming, to having to hold back to avoid screaming from any single stroke, without having gained muscle mass in that time. And I have gained better aim, and finer control over how hard I hit.

Knowing how to kick someone isn't usually useful, although knowing how to punch can be a nice supplement for spanking. To those that don't know (not directed at the person I am replying to), the simplest method that is applicable to spanking, very quickly explained, is to strike with the base of the palm (which is supported by the wrist and arm) while taking care that the fingers do not get in the way (they break easily), and to aim behind what you're striking by 2-6 inches. Start light, because it will hurt more than one might expect, and never apply it on any other part of the body without a proper background.

This knowledge applies readily to many things. After some years of training, the "playing her body like a violin" phrase will find a parallell in BDSM. Without tools, one can give virtually any level of any sensation, as well as countering virtually any effort, while retaining safety and control; particularly when the slave/sub/bottom doesn't have this level of skill themselves, this can be an amazing experience to be on the receiving end of. Especially if you spend the time to become good enough that it looks effortless (note that I'm not talking about posing, but acquiring the actual skill).

That said, I think most people will find restraining techniques a lot more interesting.

And with regards to e.g. humiliation, a small girl leading a huge bear of a man around in excruciating pain by his pinkie-finger might be cute. I do know of one case where a couple of bikers were looking to tear up a pub, and the bartender (a young woman that lacked a head or so on their height) stopped them, restrained them and pretty physically tossed them to the police with a smile and a comment about falling down the stairs.

But getting all of these benefits is something that takes a lot of time and effort, of course, so if one doesn't have an interest in the martial aspect of it, or the perfectionist aspect, one might want to learn a limited selection of knowledge from someone competent to instruct in it.





KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 2:53:24 PM)

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Funny you should mention it... ninjutsu (from any of the X-kans) works very well in this regard, too...


Why do I now feel as though I should run out and find someone to give me lessons?

I was under the impression that the principal teachings of martial arts are discapline and self defense....was I mistaken?

Be well,




smilingjaguar -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/9/2007 3:31:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Well…..I could use some practice in begging ;) ….and like I said…patients :)


I've been getting a lot of practice in both here lately.  "Pretty please, Sir" isn't doing it anymore.  It took a lot to get that, but he says it only proves that for the right carrot I can be taught to truly beg. 

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*veg* 


What does this mean?


very evil grin

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I am not a "natural submissive".  It isn't the first thing that drives me (I crave pain), so it took a lot of mental and emotional work to get there.


This would be one of those things I think too much about. :)


What do you mean?

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If I am with him, I pretty much go into auto pilot. My problem starts more or less in “down time”, when I start going over events or conversations in my head. I start wondering if I understood what he said the way he meant it, or was there some secret alternative meaning I should have picked up on…stuff like that.


For a long time I kept asking him to stop speaking in riddles.  Now I understand him so well others ask me to stop with the riddles...

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I was under the impression that the principal teachings of martial arts are discapline and self defense....was I mistaken?


This reminds me of something from the Dresden Files, where Dresden and the trapped spirit Bob are having a conversation about Dresden killing his evil uncle.  Dresden denies murdering him and Bob replies, "Oh, I'm sorry.  He looked quite fine to me until you self-defensed him to death."




KeirasSecret -> RE: WWF D/s style? (4/10/2007 2:49:24 PM)

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OO...I'd try and get my legs locked around his arms and chest so I can try & free myself without him getting a head start.


Good idea. I had thought about head butting him in the belly…but then I thought about the fact the he might do it back….I decided not too. Your plan is definitely less risky. Now let’s hope my legs are long enough to get around him enough to lock around him. ;)

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Training deffinately needed to strengthen your leg muscles for that one, not easy to lock your legs that tight and hold on while he's wriggling.


I don’t workout, but my job is a workout…..maybe I should be doing hillside sprints?

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Mind you... if there are gonna be scissors around (please take great care) you may be able to cut yourself out of the ropes that bind you..............


Ahhhhh, got this one covered. I’m going to see about getting a cutter like what was suggested earlier in this thread; very little chance of getting cut with one of those. :)

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hmmmmm.........

now I'm feeling frisky...... Damn it............ wheres a good play fight when you want one???

Sorry, I do appreciate your sacrifice for the cause. :D
 
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I've been getting a lot of practice in both here lately.  "Pretty please, Sir" isn't doing it anymore.  It took a lot to get that, but he says it only proves that for the right carrot I can be taught to truly beg. 


*smiles* I’m afraid I am not very good at it, parental conditioning and all; ya know?

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very evil grin


Oh ok, thanks

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What do you mean?


It was not obvious to me whether or not I am a “natural” sub, so I’ve put a great deal of thought into it…. and other subjects like it.

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For a long time I kept asking him to stop speaking in riddles.  Now I understand him so well others ask me to stop with the riddles...


*smiles* I find way too much room for interpretation.

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I was under the impression that the principal teachings of martial arts are discapline and self defense....was I mistaken?


This reminds me of something from the Dresden Files, where Dresden and the trapped spirit Bob are having a conversation about Dresden killing his evil uncle.  Dresden denies murdering him and Bob replies, "Oh, I'm sorry.  He looked quite fine to me until you self-defensed him to death."


Lol…. Good one!

edited.... because I am loosing my mind....doh!!




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