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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/7/2007 9:49:24 PM   
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We're not in Iraq for oil.


So why are there? I honestly don't know.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/7/2007 10:42:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whats with me and Clinton on a Clinton thread?  Please come back to reality farg.  It was being said that when Clitnon lied, no one died.  I disputed that, and you challenged me on my assertion. 

Out there to anyone...How many Iraqi civilians died as a result of the Sanctions Clinton imposed and enforced?  If Iraq was not a threat why did they all have to die?  DO those dead arabs not count for some reason?   Anyone willing to answer?  Puella?  Thompson? Farg? Meat?  Lotus?  Northern Gent?

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/7/2007 11:13:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I recall, I entered this thread with a comparison and contrast of Clinton v. Bush re: Effectiveness of Action, given pretty similar starting conditions.

I never suggested that Bill Clinton was either honest, moral, good, upstanding, or in any way not a rat-bastard. Nor that his hands were clean. However, as a result of Monica? Which is the context of "No One Died when Clinton Lied"...

But he managed the crisis in 98 a hell of a lot better than W.

Then the thread went on some long winding ride.


Sanctions, Sanctions... What was the purpose of them... Oh yeah, Let's let Poppy tell us:

President George H. W. Bush stated: "By making life uncomfortable for the Iraqi people, [sanctions] would eventually encourage them to remove President Saddam Hussein from power" (Seattle-Post Intelligencer August 7, 2003

Yet another Foreign Policy Blunder brought to you by a Bush Administration resulting in the deaths of......

400,000 to 800,000 children.

At least these Bush's ain't getting by St. Peter, not with those sins. For those of us with untarnished souls, that's comforting to some small degree, I expect. I'm not sure I'm qualified to say.

Hmmm...

You know. Taking the medium of that... 600,000, plus the median of the Johns Hopkins Study, ( 900 - 300 = 600,000 ) , these Bush's have the deaths of 1.2 Million People on their souls.

1.2 Million.

And there isn't a trial for any of this? TANJ.



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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 8:24:05 AM   
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Whats with me and Clinton on a Clinton thread?  Please come back to reality farg.  It was being said that when Clitnon lied, no one died.  I disputed that, and you challenged me on my assertion. 

Out there to anyone...How many Iraqi civilians died as a result of the Sanctions Clinton imposed and enforced?  If Iraq was not a threat why did they all have to die?  DO those dead arabs not count for some reason?   Anyone willing to answer?  Puella?  Thompson? Farg? Meat?  Lotus?  Northern Gent?


luckydog1:
I find it interesting, your new found sanctimonious affection for human life.  In another thread you stated that giving food and water to those in New Orleans would just cause them to shit and piss more thus bringing on an epidemic of cholera.  Does it not hurt your jaw when you talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time?
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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 8:38:03 AM   
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Out there to anyone...How many Iraqi civilians died as a result of the Sanctions Clinton imposed and enforced?  If Iraq was not a threat why did they all have to die?  DO those dead arabs not count for some reason?   Anyone willing to answer?  Puella?  Thompson? Farg? Meat?  Lotus?  Northern Gent?


There was no sanctions on food and medical supplies, Saddam just didn't choose to buy them. However, I doubt it was anywhere near the amount many claimed, no one has ever published evidence to suggest the numbers often touted. The 700,000 Iraqi dead due to the invasion are verifiable.

Oh and lucky, most Iraqi seem to think life under Saddam was better than it is now. Now that is an indictment of Bush's policy. The numbers of Iraqi refugees fleeing are increasing by the day.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 9:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson, the epidemic of cholera would have killed more people, increasing the dead.  That is what you wanted to happen not me.  Lets remeber, you wanted more to die so Bush would look worse.  I am not using 2 side of my mouth at all.

Meat lets see a verification of 700,000 dead.  That is an ESTIMATE that is disputed by most people.   Meat they did not vote the way you seem to think they feel.  Why the disconect between what they are actualy doing, and what you claim they want to do? 

Farg interesting, you discount the entire Clinton term,  Bush was not president in 03.  And Clinton re worked the sanctions.  He could have removed them if he wanted to, but he did not because he considered Saddam to be a serious enough threat to kill "lots" of people.  And bomb the place on a regular basis.  None of your outrage about attacking a "soveriegn nation" comes into play here Farg.  Why?

Thanks for the answers folks, but I see you are all afraid to adress my point, which came in the form of a question.  Was Clinton lying about his reasons for attacking Al Shifa in Sudan?  

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 9:39:25 AM   
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Thompson, the epidemic of cholera would have killed more people, increasing the dead.  That is what you wanted to happen not me.  Lets remeber, you wanted more to die so Bush would look worse.  I am not using 2 side of my mouth at all.

According to the CDC (center for disease control) cholera is cured by giving the infected person clean water. 
You are the one who keeps asserting that more people would have died not me.  If you knew a little more about what you were talking about it might be helpful to your arguement.  Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the specifics of the disease of cholera before you continue this discussion. 
If you are not talking out of both sides of your mouth perhaps it is another of your orifi that you are using.
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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 9:54:44 AM   
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Lets remeber, you wanted more to die so Bush would look worse.


I think we're all in agreement, that Bush doesn't need any help to be the poster child for the failures of social promotion. TELLING a retard they're just as bright as anyone else doesn't MAKE them an Eisenstein or anything.

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Meat lets see a verification of 700,000 dead. That is an ESTIMATE that is disputed by most people.


Last "Most People" who took a shot at proving it wrong, was an Economist. What an economist knows about mortality surveys I'm not clear about exactly, but hey. Everyone can have an opinion.

IraqBodyCount has, what 60,000 ROCK SOLID, DOCUMENTED, CONFIRMED Civilian deaths since the Invasion/ Failed Occupation. I'm not sure why the range of the Johns Hopkins/MIT study of 300,000 to 900,000 is so outlandish, considering there is no central authority to report deaths to, no one NEEDS to report a death to anyone before burial, which in the Islamic and Hebrew faiths should happen immediately, ASAP.


Farg interesting, you discount the entire Clinton term, Bush was not president in 03. And Clinton re worked the sanctions. He could have removed them if he wanted to, but he did not because he considered Saddam to be a serious enough threat to kill "lots" of people. And bomb the place on a regular basis. None of your outrage about attacking a "soveriegn nation" comes into play here Farg. Why?


Well, given the context, an analysis of Clintonian aspects of the Sanctions wasn't really on-topic. We were discussing the disconnect b/t Operation Infinite Reach ( August 1998 Afghan/Sudan attack ) and Operation Desert Fox ( December 1998 ).

YOU asked the question, "How many Iraqi civilians died as a result of the Sanctions Clinton imposed and enforced?"

To which I kindly let slide the blatant misrepresentation of Clinton as IMPOSING the sanctions, when the sanctions were imposed by the UN under Bush#41, AFTER Bush#41 fucked up and wimped out, and didn't take the fight to Baghdad like he should have.

Instead I mused about why we had the sanctions in the first place, and quoted the First Bush Failure ( Well, If you consider Prescott Bush's conviction for assisting the Nazis, SECOND Bush Failure.... ) "reasoning" behind them.



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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 9:58:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson lots and lots of clean water to keep the system hydrated while it cleans it self.  Cholera is uncontrolable puking and diareha as the body tries to cleanse itself, which causes death by dehydration.  An IV is prefered.  A bottle of water does not cure cholera.  I stated in the old post that several diseases can be caused by ingesting poop, I did not limit it to just Cholera.  You have made your self perfectly clear, you wanted more suffering and death so you could say bush was worse.  I get it you wanted those peopel to suffer more for longer, and more of them to die, cause it works for your politics.  We beat this to death in a previous post.  You do not care about sanitation issues regarding people in an emergency shelter, I get it.  We all do.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 10:13:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Farg, because LCinton could have removed the sanctions day one if he had wanted to.  He also could have dropped the No fly Zones if he wanted to.  He did not.  He did Modify the sanctions (Oil For Food 2) and oculd certianly have removed them if he wanted to at that point. 

Point out where we discussed a disconect between Iraq and Sudan.  You tried to mix the 2 up, but I stopped you right away on that.  Remeber you tried to give the reasoning for attacking Iraq as the reason for attacking Sudan.

Oh and farg Economists have a pretty good grasp on statistical analysis, which is what the survey you refer to was based on.

farg you can try to change the subject all you want.  I expect no less form your ilk.  I realise you are scared to answer a simple question.  Go smoke some pot and fanatasise about shooting me or something if you are not enough of a man to answer a question in a forum.  Remeber you challenged my assertion( that the Clinton admin stated there were links between Saddam and Bin laden regarding Nerve gas production).  I proved you were incorrect, and instead of admiting it and moving on, you are going through Histronics to change the subject.  Rather sad debating.
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But Still not a single person has answered my simple question.....Was Clinton ( his administration, remember Bush has not actually killed anyone or bombed anything..people working for him have) lying when he gave reasons for attacking Sudan and killing people.  The stated reason was that Iraq was assisting Bin Laden in making Chemical weopons in Sudan.  Was Clinton lying and kiling people, or was there a  link in the WMD field between al queda and Iraq?  It is one or the other.

And thompson, I get you are afraid to answer this question.  Its boring to try to change back to an old post.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 10:19:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		In reply to bradlythekijru.......'Democrats have continuosly left them high &dry (our troops)"......sir, Reagan stopped certain VA funding to 'our troops'; know this...  while driving to the VA hospital, to pick up an associate; one evening; there were soooo very many guys on gunrnies, I mean guys who were covered in a tent over their lower body; wheel chairs; guys walking all about, on 7th ave; men on gurnies making their way across the street, down the blvd ( a long ways down). Okay, says I, "hey alot of guys are taking the wonderful night air." it seemed very odd, so many out and about. ....comes the reply..."what, Reagan has denied these guys their VA benifits, cut them off, the hospital administration has put them out.".......I could not in my wild imagination, concieve, that the VA hospital would just throw out these vets, on the street, where would they go. Some had relatives who picked them up; while others headed off to god knows where. REAGAN was on watch then. Oh, but one time he was a democrat (the turncoat).
It's not about hating the Bush family; it's about hating what they have done to this country. You must research Bush history.
AND......I am not a Clinton supporter.........nor did I like what his administration did.
One thing I find in Clinton bashers, Bush worshippers; is the total disregard for actual facts and anything which taints the Bush.
Why did, after 9-11, bush have the Bin-Laden family flown out of the US, back to the desert, never to be seen again? What about the Bush lies, should not the Bush get the same treatment as Clinton; for lies? All these reasons for all this mayhem, which you cite; ...you are of course getting your information, first hand from the pres himself; being a confidant of the pres.; and not from the official government sanctioned media disclosures.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 10:25:14 AM   
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Thompson lots and lots of clean water to keep the system hydrated while it cleans it self.  Cholera is uncontrolable puking and diareha as the body tries to cleanse itself, which causes death by dehydration.  An IV is prefered.  A bottle of water does not cure cholera.  I stated in the old post that several diseases can be caused by ingesting poop, I did not limit it to just Cholera.  You have made your self perfectly clear, you wanted more suffering and death so you could say bush was worse.  I get it you wanted those peopel to suffer more for longer, and more of them to die, cause it works for your politics.  We beat this to death in a previous post.  You do not care about sanitation issues regarding people in an emergency shelter, I get it.  We all do.


luckydog1:
ROFLMAO
You seem to be the only person that believes this.  Your assertion that giving water and food to starving people is a bad thing and then putting words into my mouth about wanting people to die is just fatious.  You only seem to be able to view the world in terms of red and blue.  As long as you continue to cling to that myopic viewpoint you will forever be condemed to ignorance.
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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 10:28:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually Ferry the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives every single day that Reagan was in office, and that is where all spending bills originate.  The dems had a big part in how that went down.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 11:22:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, Reagan could not do anything about that; it was the Dems that put those mutilated vets on the street. Okay, Reagan is innocent, after all as he stated, he has alot of bills that come across his desk in a single day and he can't read them all; - powerless, had to put his signature thereon, could not voice any objection; could not have vetoed any bill; could not have gone media blitz defending these guys; stopped the closing of VA hospitals;  he didn't, as you suggest, could not.. However, by the same token, Clinton, on the other hand, could have stopped sanctions, stopped the Sudan thing, etc, etc.; The Dems offered up a bill, but he (Reagan) did not oppose them, just signed it, without a remark. Innocent, just like he was with the Contra affair, and Bush was out of the loop. Okay, I'll shut my keyboard down, the Bush and repulicans are right. Dam those Roosevelts,.... they started all this, ya know. I guess I should have listened more attentively to Rush Limbaugh, about Clinton.
Now, when this next election comes due, and I get to cast my one meaningful vote, I'm voting republican, you can take that to the bank, really. I want them to finish what they started; I don't want to see any Dem fuck up that which the Bush has accomplished and plunging the country to a uncalculatable dept, what the reps are about.
Even if Hillary is the one to head the Dem ship, because it's time for a woman to take the reins, like Goldie did; curtail spending, bring the budget into alignment and balance. You are right, so very right; I concede; have it your way.
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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 11:25:40 AM   
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Perhaps if old wrinklemeat would have gotten a little head from Nancy he might have been more kindly disposed towards the veterans.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 11:47:56 AM   
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Meat lets see a verification of 700,000 dead.  That is an ESTIMATE that is disputed by most people.   Meat they did not vote the way you seem to think they feel.  Why the disconect between what they are actualy doing, and what you claim they want to do? 



While it is difficult to be exact, if you count the civilian dead this week in the newspapers, there have been around 700 killed, (don't forget according to American forces the death rate has had a steep decline this last couple of weeks.), that would make 36,400 in the last year. That is accepting that the current level of violence has been steady at this weeks rate and we all know it has been a t a much higher rate. Several weeks earlier in the year had around 1,500 dead. Even if we don't accept my original figure and we accept a conservative figure, you could trawl through the news reports and come up with 200,000 dead at least. (I've trawled through a couple of weeks and at a constant lower death rate 200,000 is easily reached, then who knows how many deaths go unreported in the papers.)

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm

Let's look at the refugees.

Syria claim to have 700,000. Jordan claim approx. 700,000. The EU doesn't have central figures but notes and increase of Iraqi refugees in member states.

Such numbers are destablizing the whole region.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2352881,00.html

http://www.brookings.edu/views/articles/byman/20061101.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58648-2005Feb2.html

However you look at it lucky, Bush's policy has caused the death of a huge number of Iraqis and ruined the lives of many others. For everyone killed, how many are injured?

If you look at the ratio of American soldiers dead to injured the ratio is around 8:1, I don't see why that shouldn't be different for civilians who are subject to mass bombings. However you count, there must be around 1 million dead and wounded.

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 11:58:38 AM   
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You tried to mix the 2 up, but I stopped you right away on that. Remeber you tried to give the reasoning for attacking Iraq as the reason for attacking Sudan.


Uh. No. I'm the one who is making sure we keen Iraq and Sudan separate. That's why I keep posting about the TWO DIFFERENT OPERATIONS.

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farg you can try to change the subject all you want. I expect no less form your ilk. I realise you are scared to answer a simple question. Go smoke some pot and fanatasise about shooting me or something if you are not enough of a man to answer a question in a forum.


That suggestion that I would commit numerous unlawful acts is a clear violation of the sites TOS. Additionally, they are slanderous, and as such, could serve to expose you and the site to significant legal liability.

Rather than consider the course forward at the present moment, I'll just wait and see, but for now, welcome to the Ignore list, moron.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 3:59:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		ferryman you can babble all you want.  I said the dems had "a part in how it went down", because they controlled the House.  And they did.  I never said they were 100%  responsible or that Reagan was 100% innocnet.  Attack me for what I actually said, if you want.  to attack what I did not say is kind of weak.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 4:06:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		thompson, whatever, I do not want to argue it anymore.  You do not care about sanitation issues, and think they are irrelevant, ok.  To think that the poor people in NO put thier faith in people like you to save them, and you do not even care about the basic sanitation issues.  Your right 10,000 more lbs of feces and urine in the shelters would not have been a problem in any way.  Its good for people to sit in, and ingest  piles of feces.  it does not cause helath problems, its like vitamins.  I apologize for caring about it.  The policy was to get them out as soon as possible.  I think it was the right thing to do.  So did the Gov of No and LA, because that was the plan they set up before hand.  If the leeves fail evacuate the city.  If it had happened faster it would have been better.  Since you have nothing to say about this thread or my question.  I see no need to continue this old argument.  By the way absolutly no one chimed in to defend your opinion on the matter either.

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RE: Clinton got a blowjob! - 3/8/2007 4:18:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now farg I realise you are unable to debate with me so have gone to hide.  I see from your post that you do not have basic reading comprehension, and that explains you profound confusion.  I told you to go smoke some Pot and fantasise about shooting me.  I did not say you do smoke pot.  You constantly talk about your fantasies of shooting people, or having your daughters shoot someone, often qualified as "in the face".  Your inability to comprehend basic English, explains a lot of your views actually.  I did not suggest you would commit any illegal acts.  And its not illegal to fanatsise about shooting people in the face.  You should really look up the definition of slander.  I dare you to sue me.  I double dog dare you to.  In fact you are a coward if you don't.  You did accuse me of commiting a crime( slander), and I expect you to back up your words.  Or be exposed as an empty blowhard.  Note Mods he called me a criminal here

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