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KatyLied -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 5:17:28 PM)
Years ago I worked for an agency that taught GED prep. The GED is much tougher now. It would be easier for a person to do summer school for those 2 classes or find another way to get those credits. I would urge the student to exhaust other options first. There is a lot of subject matter on a GED exam. And about the students taking the GED prep classes, they came from all walks of life and levels of intelligence, including people with IQ's in the genius range (yes, we knew this because they had been tested).

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 5:24:02 PM)
A lot of people don't think about the fact that there are many reasons to get a GED which may have NOTHING to do with intelligence or ability to do well in school. Lots of people have family problems that prevent them from finishing school, as well as unexpected pregnancy, death in the family, illness, etc. Some people just don't want to bother with the general bother of high school and would rather take the test and get out there in the work force.

cjenny -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 5:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl On a side note to the original poster, I really disapprove of high school kids having jobs during the school year. The jobs they get are usually piddly jobs anyway that aren't good for anything but a little extra spending money. My mother forbade me to work until after graduation (unless you count cleaning stalls at the stable during the summer in exchange for riding lessons.) She said, "Making good grades IS your job and the only one that counts." Besides, you are only young once and I think teenagers should be able to enjoy high school, extra curricular activities, learning social skills, etc without being burdened with the adult responsiblity of work. Once they graduate, they are going to be working until retirement. Let them enjoy the good years while they last! My senior year of high school, I was studying, doing rodeo queen contests, FFA competitions, French Club, high school rodeo, spending time with my high school sweetheart...I can't imagine trading all that to go to work every evening after school. Sometimes that extra income is necessary. Not all families can pay out gas money/allowance etc to their children. Maybe some day there will be a perfect world.

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 5:38:12 PM)
"Gas money" lol...I wasn't allowed to drive either so that took care of that one! "You don't need to be driving around and partying! If I can't drive you there, you don't need to go" was what my mother said. I didn't have an allowance either. There was very rarely money in my hand..if I needed something, I just told my mother and she decided if it was something she was going to buy me or not. I'm toying with voicing a controversial opinion on the subject of financially unstable people having children to begin with, but I think I'll let that one lie because I don't want to hurt feelings.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:15:58 PM)
I'd say most high school diplomas and GEDs are worthless. Having a high school diploma can mean anything from just having the bare minimum of knowledge to pass high school to taking Advanced Calculus, Physics, etc.... So, you can have a person just skirt by taking all the basic classes to fulfill basic requirements and get a diploma (as if that is the end all and be all of high school). If that was/is the case I wouldn't hire them, unless they showed some goal oriented behaviour later on. A GED, I view as attaining the minimum high school proficiencies. So, it would be wise in my view to put an explanation regarding the situation that led to the need for a GED, and a transcript of course work while attending. However, to be honest in my personal experience most of those that have a GED as opposed to a diploma weren't that interested in school to begin with. Obviously exceptions apply. The basic rule remains. So, my suggestion is if a person does select a GED, is that they should pursue either some form of higher education, or pursue some activity that shows drive and discipline. Otherwise, A GED says I can do the minimum course work required to pass high school. That is better than no GED by leaps and bounds, but it isn't the same as honors student, without some record of achievement otherwise.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:19:06 PM)
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FelinePersuasion -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:19:34 PM)
Highschool was NOT enjoyable for me, none of my school years past elementary were, and it had nothing to do with jobs I did or didn't have. I didn't fit in, I tried my hardest did the best I could, the teachers didn't believe my learning disabilities were genuine, If you were not a jock, a druggie, a preppie, a cheerleader, or the class fuck offs you didn't "belong anywhere: or fit in anywhere. I was bullied all through out school, and picked on, untill one day I almost beat someone in front of the whole class because he'd pushed me so far I snaped, and then they thought it was either a fun game to try and anger me, or simply knew they didn't want to anger me. School didn't teach me diddly shit, expect that teachers will look the other way when a kids in trouble academically, and if you're not one of the 4 or 5 most popular groups you aint shit in anybodies eyes. quote: ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl ." Besides, you are only young once and I think teenagers should be able to enjoy high school, extra curricular activities, learning social skills,

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou So, my suggestion is if a person does select a GED, is that they should pursue either some form of higher education, or pursue some activity that shows drive and discipline. Otherwise, A GED says I can do the minimum course work required to pass high school. I can somewhat agree with this. In my mother's case, her "higher education" involved going to the police academy while being a single mom at the time and working 2 jobs. I say that shows a lot of drive and discipline! You also have to look at generation gap. 25yrs ago it was not so uncommon for women to quit school to get married and have children, and hence decide later on to get their GED and get back into the work force. If you're lookin at a 45yr old applicant with a GED that's 25yrs old and a long, stable work history and good references, I can't see why you would hold the GED against them. In today's age, there's a much higher percentage of people graduating high school and attending college so standards are a bit different.

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:27:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion Highschool was NOT enjoyable for me, none of my school years past elementary were, and it had nothing to do with jobs I did or didn't have. I didn't fit in, I tried my hardest did the best I could, the teachers didn't believe my learning disabilities were genuine, If you were not a jock, a druggie, a preppie, a cheerleader, or the class fuck offs you didn't "belong anywhere: or fit in anywhere. I was bullied all through out school, and picked on, untill one day I almost beat someone in front of the whole class because he'd pushed me so far I snaped, and then they thought it was either a fun game to try and anger me, or simply knew they didn't want to anger me. School didn't teach me diddly shit, expect that teachers will look the other way when a kids in trouble academically, and if you're not one of the 4 or 5 most popular groups you aint shit in anybodies eyes. quote: ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl ." Besides, you are only young once and I think teenagers should be able to enjoy high school, extra curricular activities, learning social skills, I'm sorry you had a negative experience. I wasn't a "popular" kid either. I was a "nerd" and a "geek" and a "redneck" on top of it. However, I never really let that affect my happiness. Sure I got made fun of a lot for the above things as well as for being a "teacher's pet" and " being too smart", but I still enjoyed my high school experience. I wasn't a jock or prep or cheerleader either...I split my time between hanging with the rodeo team and the geeks, neither of which were popular groups. I got made fun of all the time..heck I still do! I just laugh at them and move on though. We have a choice in whether we allow the actions of others to negatively affect our self esteem. I never really cared about popularity to begin with.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:27:47 PM)
I chose to go to school and I still am than get a ged because GEd's are 75 bucks, plus pay to take the test plus go everyday be there at 8 am, and I am not willing to fork out the money and be rushed, because you do have time deadlines on GED's while a completion course is free, I go to adult ed independant studies, once a week, and I pick the time I go in:) quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou However, to be honest in my personal experience most of those that have a GED as opposed to a diploma weren't that interested in school to begin with. Obviously exceptions apply. The basic rule remains.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:32:40 PM)
Someone in my computer class did once try to embarraseme by calling me a wench, I said is that all? Wench is a term of endearment in my eyes lol. quote: ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl [ I got made fun of all the time..heck I still do!

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:38:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion Someone in my computer class did once try to embarraseme by calling me a wench, I said is that all? Wench is a term of endearment in my eyes lol. quote: ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl [ I got made fun of all the time..heck I still do! To me, that's the best way to handle it. I get made fun of for a LOT of things...being kinky, being pagan, being child-free, being libertarian, being pro choice, being pro gay rights, etc. I figured I could let it bother me or just ignore it... I had a teacher in 3rd grade who said something that really stuck with me: "A wise man won't insult you and a fool cannot." Words for me to live by!

fergus -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:40:51 PM)
To get back to it, I think the crux of the question is can a person still be a success with a GED as opposed to a diploma. My ol' man was a troubled kid. He didn't go to high school a day in his life, but he knew how to read. When he was in the Korean War, he got his GED through the Army. He went on to NYU scoring the highest score on record at that time for his English placement exam. Was he a success? When he passed on, he was loved and admired by friends and family alike. He loved and was loved. There is no greater mark of success. fergus

popeye1250 -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:43:13 PM)
I really don't know that much about G.E.D.s I don't know if they even had them in my day. These days college and university degrees are a dime a ton in the U.S. You can get them on the computer now! Nice to be waited on in a restaurant by someone with a master's degree! I have a degree in Bus Admin and it never helped me. When I was interviewing for a sales job in a major insurance corp the lady who interviewed me was much more interested in finding out what I did and where I went in the U.S. Coast Guard than in anything educational. "I have a bachelors degree in bus admin." "That's nice" she said. I'd tell anyone who wants to go onto higher education these days to make sure you enjoy what you're studying because you may not be able to work or get a job in that field. Of course medicine, engineering, science, anything in healthcare, and technical degrees are always good and in demand. If you get a degree in nursing for instance you can travel anywhere and never have a problem getting a very good paying job and it will only get better for nurses. Write your own ticket there. Also master plumbers are in the top 10% of earners. I can't tell you how many people with degrees I've met who are working in Home Depots, driving taxis, waitressing, and,.....famously, working at Starbucks! "Hey you, with the masters in philosophy, 2 lattes, no sugar!" lol Tell your friend with the G.E.D. to go and apprentice with a plumber. Ten years from now you can hit them up for a loan.

fergus -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:47:33 PM)
Mr. eye is ABSOLUTLY correct. We have a culture of college in this country that meansvery little in real terms. A plumber or electrician make WAY more, and ar ein high demand. I wouldencourage parents to have their kids go to trade school instead of traditional high school, their diplomas will mean THE SAME if they DO decide to go to college. They will also learn a valuable marketable skill. Even if they don't actually decide to BECOME an electrician, they will save a lot of cash by not ever having to CALL an electrician. fergus

BrainSlugs83 -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:51:03 PM)
I read the OP, but not a lot of the responses. A taco-bell manager I talked to a while ago (1.5 years?) told me that he threw away applications that had GEDs on them. If you have no college degree, and just a GED, it's going to be harder to find a job than with an HS Diploma. It sounds like your friend's only a couple of credits away from graduating, your friend should either take summer classes, or just go back next year... No point in throwing away free education... Heck, maybe your friend (if the person sticks around another year) can get some free running start/vocational training at a near-by community college (my highschool offered this, and it's what I did my 5th year of highschool. I now have a diploma and a 2-year degree...) Avoid a GED at all costs.

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fergus Mr. eye is ABSOLUTLY correct. We have a culture of college in this country that meansvery little in real terms. A plumber or electrician make WAY more, and ar ein high demand. I wouldencourage parents to have their kids go to trade school instead of traditional high school, their diplomas will mean THE SAME if they DO decide to go to college. They will also learn a valuable marketable skill. Even if they don't actually decide to BECOME an electrician, they will save a lot of cash by not ever having to CALL an electrician. fergus This is why I am amazed when people assume that working in confinement/law enforcement is "below me" because "You were college material." I went to college for 45hrs. I was majoring in horse production...lots of fun but not likely to get me a job! My current field is 100% job security (really, you have to TRY to get fired there.) Very decent pay ($40,000 a year is good in texas) plus outstanding retirement and benefits. I'd take what I'm doing now over a master's degree any day. My job will ALWAYS be in demand and always pay decently.

GeekyGirl -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:55:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrainSlugs83 Avoid a GED at all costs. I'm going to disagree based on personal experience. I know a good many of the high ranking officers at my job (LT and above) have GEDS and it doesn't seem to have hurt them one bit.

popeye1250 -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 6:59:26 PM)
Fergus, they'll also have a lot more cash by not having college loans of $125- $150,000. I was lucky, Uncle Sam paid for me. People are still paying those things off ten years after they graduate! Oh, and I forgot, starting your own business is good too.

fergus -> RE: GED same as Diploma? (3/6/2007 7:01:41 PM)
I have a little left on my college loans ;) And I run my own business COMPLETELY UNRELATED to my degree. I do NOT regret my education (despite the bills) because I did it for learning, not so much for a career. popeye, trouble with running your own business is - you have to work REALLY hard to make ita success - people don't seem to want to do that this day and age ;) fergus

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