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bludemonn -> Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 2:12:38 AM)
Dear friends i'm sure most of you have either dabbled in some form of paranormal activity, been to ghost hunts or indeed know of tales from the other side, this can be enlightening or dark. I shoved this thread up cos i recently saw a programme called 'hauntings' and this particular episode showed some bloke who decided to purchase a book on Witchcraft from his 'friend', using some old bones that were found by his father in the basement (apparently Indian burial ground) he conjured up some 'spirits', at night times he would hear growling like a vicious dog, the entity would climb on his bed, he could see air turn cold (a sign of spirit moving) he couldnt sleep for ages and then his mother and sister came to stay.... they too experienced this and so this spirit wasn't trying to hide, it wanted him, nothing could stop this thing not even a 'white witch'. He eventually was exorcised and so this leads me to believe it was projecting itself through him although too much dosent add up. My question is has anyone else been stupid enough to dabble in the occult whilst not knowing what they are doing and had consequences like this? I would like to know as this will help my research.

Vendaval -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 2:19:05 AM)
Hello blue, I know a number of individuals who were foolish enough to play around with old spells, sacred spaces and mind-altering substances. The end results were nasty and frightening, which taught them a tough lesson.

MistressFeathers -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 2:57:29 AM)
I'm a witch does that count?

CrazyC -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 3:33:15 AM)
I guess the "white" witch just wasn't white enough. Sorry, but that is silliness. Yes, my little sister did that with a couple of friends when in Jr. High, and it scared the shit out of them. The goast then came to me later on that night thinking he could scare me. He loved the joke of the whole thing. One thing to remember though is spirits can't physically harm you. So when he tryed to do the same thing with me, i called him on it. I told him he wasn't welcomed there, and that he needed to leave my sister alone and even better to leave the house. I watched as he left the house. I asked my sister a year later if she ever got visited again, and she said no. By the way, those bones....probably someone's pet dog, and poor thing just wanted to play. It just scared the shit out of your friend.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 3:43:47 AM)
No it wasn't my friend this was an incident which happened on a programme broadcast over here on discovery channel, I believe he opened a portal, contrary to what many believe 'certain' ghosts mainly poltergeists can physically harm causing scratches and even have been known to suffocate people. I once heard a chilling story, not sure how true it is, about a girl who decided to 'call up the devil' by saying the the lords prayer backwards and looking into a mirror, the story goes she did this and saw something which eventually put her in a nut house. Sometimes just the psychological effect of being made to 'believe' is enough to have a permanent effect on people, sure i know how to conjure demons and i know how to exorcise but i prefer to have this knowledge for my own research rather than my curiosity.

CrazyC -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 3:54:45 AM)
Sorry for the mistake, but then lets remember this is TV. To many of my friends and i myself have delt with too many goasts, and know that mind setting is everything. If you believe it can happen, you have given that thing power enough to do it. I have a hard time believing that saying the lords prayer backwards is going to bring the devil since too many people in society don't even believe in a devil. He only started excisted in later times when Christian preists needed to find something to make pagan gods seem evil. It is funny how none of these extreme stories of spirits didn't come to exsist until after the Catholic reign.

sexypet -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 4:01:52 AM)
"spirits can't physically harm you" And yet the one who resided here before me threw a bookcase at my father. The one liked to alter my father, making him generally agitated or say nastier than usual things. I imagine the Warrens would disagree with the statement quoted as well.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 4:04:39 AM)
You don't have to enlighten me of the origins of the Devil its a pastime for me lol, you will ofcourse understand the mere 'belief' factor in any religious or Cult groups is the difference between life and death, throughout history people have been documented in performing supernatural or unexplained phenomena, the pastime of ghost hunting is very very common to the point of specialised equipment able to measure heat sources and cold spots also electrical activity which is sometimes apparent. I do think people go out uninformed or rather misinformed about things which have occured for thousands of years and I still find it hilarious when lack of common sense is prevalent, in this case it didnt occur to this man that if the cause of the disturbance was the book then the book would also be the remedy? Also spiritual stories have ALWAYS been around, this is not tied in with any religion this is again unexplained happenings which get misinterpreted through time and become folklore and myth. I'm not blaming anyone for anything here I just can't believe people are still this stupid!

CrazyC -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 4:33:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexypet "spirits can't physically harm you" And yet the one who resided here before me threw a bookcase at my father. The one liked to alter my father, making him generally agitated or say nastier than usual things. I imagine the Warrens would disagree with the statement quoted as well. My sister's goast threw a clock radio at her. I was meaning like movies...messanger being one where the goasts were grabbing the girl and dragging her back to the basement. And yes, going back to the book does seem like a reasonable source. I know though that there are some books, writen by unknowledgable people, where they don't tell you what to do when the magic goes wrong.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 4:47:11 AM)
Well you say ghosts cant harm you but we only have reports to go by, unless ofcourse each of us actually feels pain we always will discount it. As far as i'm aware there are quite a few different manifestations of what we term loosely as 'ghosts' there is the anniversary ghost, an apparition that only turns up on a certain time of the year, there is the noisey ghost (poltergeist) who generally dosen't like anything in its place or likes to make itself heard. one explanation of a ghost from a mediums point of you is that a ghost is residual energy which is burned into the fabric of time, we are all making our own impression on the fabric of time and probably in years after we pass away our very own energies will be picked up too. There are alot of books out there detailing certain rituals but it seems the crude dabbler dosent understand the meaning of these arts and crafts and goes straight for the thrill, people have been conhuring spirits from the other dimentions for centuries in order to get assitance NOT for fun and games, if you think about it many people who are out for a thrill are pessimistic to begin with and they are the ones who end up emotionally scarred as a result of proven activity.

CrazyC -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 4:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bludemonn There are alot of books out there detailing certain rituals but it seems the crude dabbler dosent understand the meaning of these arts and crafts and goes straight for the thrill, people have been conhuring spirits from the other dimentions for centuries in order to get assitance NOT for fun and games, if you think about it many people who are out for a thrill are pessimistic to begin with and they are the ones who end up emotionally scarred as a result of proven activity. I completely agree. no one tells about the spirit that was there with a helping hand. I had one in an old hotel come into my room and start a fire in the fireplace. This was obviously done behind the veil, because when i woke up it was a completely warm room with no fire. I say this because the hotel was truely worn down, like the window had cracks in it and the cold October air was coming in. I wanted to say it was just me thinking it, but my fiance was the one who mentioned the room being too hot.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:08:36 AM)
That is a romantic tale, possibly very true and i feel those encounters are more heartwarming than eerie, there has been many many instances over in London of hauntings where spirits continue there tasks as they would have years ago like the London underground guard who has to do a tunnel inspection at night walking through the tunnels and on one night he saw a figure with an old lamp, he stopped and asked the man why he had an old lamp and he said it felt better than the new things, on his way back he said to the station supervisor that there was one guy working down there and the supervisors reply was 'we havent sent anyone down' and they went to look but he was gone, the 'ghost' referred to a part of the tunnel with a very old name, apparently there was a death in the tunnel just after it was built, these sightings are very very common in the UK but are seen with a sense of respect rather than with a need to be curious.

LadyEllen -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:09:56 AM)
A friend of mine, (an Asatru priest), went crazy on some kids in his apartment block a year or so back. They had secreted themselves at the top of the building, to play with a ouija board. Now, we have done the ouija board a few times, albeit with plenty of precautions and controls, and got some "interesting" results to say the least. But, we were all experienced in the fields of spirituality/religion/ magic and so on, and were OK. We stopped using the board because to be honest, we had seen what it is and what it does, and didnt find it in any way useful for anything much aside from as a curiosity, though we could see why it is perceived as a potentially dangerous item. So anyway, my friend discovered these kids halfway through. Terrified. He took care of it and then gave them the most almighty telling off imaginable, apparently, that they shouldnt be playing with this stuff. My friend also has a reputation as a pagan weirdo where I live, and when the kids came home shaken up and their parents heard what they had been doing, it was assumed to be down to him dragging them in on some evil endeavour. The kids put things straight, and he got plenty of thanks in the end. Not bad. E

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:16:50 AM)
Ouija boards i find fascinating, they are simple tools but they are focus friendly devices, one method of ghost activity is to draw an item say a coin, around a piece of paper and leave it there, switching the video camera on and if you are lucky enough you can see the item being moved. If you look into the dynamic of ouija boards and the methods used by people operating the seances they usually hold hands, this amplifies energies, many spirits feed off human energy to allow them to manifest. Kids playing with these things are a very very common occurance, i agree they really really need to learn a little bit more about this type of activity even at school, do you think that is wise or risky?

TheHousehold -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:17:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bludemonn Dear friends i'm sure most of you have either dabbled in some form of paranormal activity, "Most"?? A big assumption to make. I cannot dabble in something in which I do not believe.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:20:36 AM)
Yes it is a big assumption and very general one (most meaning not all by the way) shall i be painfully specific next time and quote stats lol

LadyEllen -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:25:55 AM)
Educating kids on "the occult"? Well, its a bit like drugs and sex education isnt it? Our school system tends to say, dont do it, with little or no explanation or information - mainly because our education system and country is run according to Church morality that is now out of place in a non Christian country, as well as outdated and outmanoeuvred in many instances. Problem is, we know that kids are curious and exploratory in their natures, and so once aware of something will want to know more. Simply telling them dont do it, is not going to wash. On the other hand, how exactly would we go about educating kids about what is called the occult, assuming for a moment that Church objections could be overcome, along with objections from many other world religions? There is no way of knowing that someone who puts themselves forward as an expert on the occult, is any such thing - and there are as many opinions on the whats and whys and hows as there are such experts. E

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:26:49 AM)
Anyways back to the thread topic, has anyone RELEVANT to this thread got any stories of dabblings which ended either good or bad? I'm very keen to learn more about people who play with the dark tabboo side of the Occult.

Aileen68 -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:30:18 AM)
I used to play with a Ouiji board when younger and with an Aunt who was sensitive. I saw some unnerving things and I will never touch or allow a Ouiji board in my house...ever. Certain things shouldn't be fucked with when one doesn't know what they're doing. Stuff like this makes me very uncomfortable. On the flip side and much more positive note...I feel the presense of my mom a lot and that brings me a lot of comfort.

bludemonn -> RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult (3/7/2007 5:31:18 AM)
Thats the conundrum isn't it, it may work in smaller societies where religion or spiritulism is part of everday life but yes I see trying to find a vehicle for education on something which happens all too readily is always going to be contested, I would say alot of the stroies are generated as a way to get kids not to dabble i.e. the boogie man will get you etc. Even when one looks on the net for advice its subjective at best, this is one reason for my research for a future book concentrating on the scientific aspect of the other dimention rather than the fairytales which even though has very good information, will always be denounced.

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