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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 1:41:08 AM   
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Im a Sociology student, but if you think about it, on some level, you already knew that to be true.  You see that size group of people more than any other like, in places like rock concerts.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 2:16:00 AM   
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Im a Sociology student, but if you think about it, on some level, you already knew that to be true.  You see that size group of people more than any other like, in places like rock concerts.

http://www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/DSS/Simmel/SIMMELW5.HTML

If it dosent work check out an ol dead guy named Georg Simmel, interesting stuff.



Thank you for the link.  I'm almost 1/2 temped to comment about your pansexual remark as well.   I will to a limited degree here.  Because there is a certain amount of speration on in society based on gender and roles.

For instance there are many men which are afraid to give other men hugs as greetings or goodbyes, or even at times hang upon on another.  This practice is more common amoung women.  I'm at a point now, where I give friends male or female hugs.  It does seem to matter to my male friends, and they in return hug me. Mind you I am neither bi nor gay.   I indentify my sexuality as straight, but I am not so wrapped up in it that it prevents me from showing geniune affection or emotion. Gasp! I can hear the screams of the real manly man doms as I sit here typing this out.

I will also expound upon another thing, I have and have had, female lesbian friends.  That I enjoy spending time with very much.  I will express affection towards them as well.  Be it a hug, a compliments, or even a kiss.  Many men, they encounter will turn cold the very moment they state they are a Lesbian.  Men will not buy them drinks and get all weirded out about it this.  It dissapoints me that people can act this way.  I have had very wondeful conversations with very beautiful human beings.  Oh wait... I just said it Human Being... without a focus on ones gender or sexual preference. 

I have not studied or read much about the concepts of what a pansexual is or is not.  I do feel that there is something of value to be gained, by people throwing away their own consious fears and learn to appreciate and Love people as people.

I will share with you something.  An old friend of mine, which is now departed from this earth.  He was the only friend of mine, and they only guy... I heard say "I've missed you, I love you".  Ever.. and he was not bi or gay!  He was straight.  But those words as shocking as they were to me, meant a hell of a lot. 

The fact is that none of these things changed my gender nor my sexuality one damn bit.  I don't fully comprehend what a pansexual fully is.  If this somewhat fits, then so be it.  If this does not fit, so be it.  But I will say this there can be genuine love between people without gender or sexual orientation blocking the way.   All this is coming from a straight guy! 

So wa la!  Let this be yet another Bold post. More food for thought.  May it not leave you mind puking in the ditch.

Sloki,
With regards for me supporting feminism fully, this is a difficult thing.  I actually know women who don't want it and feel that it's forced upon them.  I see a divided fraction between women.  All I know something divided will never be one as a whole, with oposition of two sides.  Is feminism the only means towards the poly pansexual world which you speak about?  Is this simply seaking another idealized form of Narvana?




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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 2:41:23 AM   
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greetings

i had spoken with a submissiv male many years ago he had this ideal of being cuckold and he want it so that i would bring in a male a different on each time i am not a whore i was upset but it was so damn dumb he was not thinking at all this is so dangerous and not safe but any mean of the mind i do not see this as something i want to ever do nope what are man thinking wanting to wacth their mates with other man it is a fnasty i think and it whould be left that way

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 2:46:58 AM   
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I would like to say onething as to everyone's posts. We live in a society today that looks down on us for the life we live. We also enbrace that life on a daily basis, sharing in the intense love the life brings to each of us. We each enjoy certain things but those should be enjoyed together. I understand the risk of outsiders in our lives and bringing in one that does not live in our own circle but I too agree safety is for the two to control and should be above all else

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 3:01:50 AM   
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I wish I had the time this morning to read the entire post before responding, but such time just isn't available.  Before I get blasted, I will say from the very beginning that this idea isn't for everyone.  Certainly not for those who are jealous in any way.  However, if petty jealousy can be avoided, it can be a most stimulating activity.  It allows the voyeur in My other half out while allowing My exhibitionist nature to be let loose.  It's very much like live porn.  If watching sex on a screen would be a turn on, just imagine what it would be like live and in person.  Men are very visually stimulated creatures, after all, so there are some who find this activity very arousing.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 6:08:34 AM   
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I did not state you would get aids but there is a high likely hood that you may contract any of many diseases. Even if your partner has a medical report they are clean the next time they had any sexual relations would invalidate that report and at times virus will lay dormant for days or months or years.  There is no totally safe sexually play other than with your own partner but that also assumes that they are not playing around. Yes even some toys can transmit virus and you would never know it. What I am saying when I wrote about the gun was  are you as a owner or a sub or slave  or who ever willing to spin the chamber just for a few minutes of play. Well I for one would not place mine in harms way. But, I see from reading more of the posts some will be and to me that is sad. The life is not about bringing death to a partner it is enjoying the life together as it should be. SAFE SANE AND CONSENSUAL but always safety first

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 6:13:45 AM   
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There is no totally safe sexually play other than with your own partner but that also assumes that they are not playing around.


Actually, even that is faulty.  The only safe sexual play is none at all.  Your partner (even if they're not fucking around) can still bring something 'unexpected' to the game (through no fault of their own).  There are no guarentees...only acceptable risks.


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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 7:42:56 AM   
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I do hope all understand your posting. I agree totally but was being rather nice in my messages, as you know some people can be rather mindless when it comes to their own desire. I do find it shameful that anyone in this life would use  or place someone in a life threatening situation. Again your so right  in your post   Thanks to you

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 8:01:13 AM   
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I'd like go a little deeper, and expand the subject a little!

Who here would like to watch their woman gang banged by a Group of men.
Come on, let's make this interesting for ratings, since somebody mentioned
Howard Stern...



My Ex-Master arranged and watch me do a 25 guy one in 2005.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 8:09:04 AM   
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While I have never lent a woman out overnight I have given them to friends.  It isn't something I just do, it is something I do if I feel it is right for both of them and it certainly isn't something I do often.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 8:09:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

I'd like go a little deeper, and expand the subject a little!

Who here would like to watch their woman gang banged by a Group of men.
Come on, let's make this interesting for ratings, since somebody mentioned
Howard Stern...



My Ex-Master arranged and watch me do a 25 guy one in 2005.




25!! i have to steal a line from Driver and tip my hat to you girlie! :) my Master enjoys having me gangbanged as well, but never more than 8. i cannot imagine taking on 25, tho i certainly would be up to the challenge.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 8:12:32 AM   
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I do hope all understand your posting. I agree totally but was being rather nice in my messages, as you know some people can be rather mindless when it comes to their own desire. I do find it shameful that anyone in this life would use  or place someone in a life threatening situation. Again your so right  in your post   Thanks to you


I am sorry but reading your threads all you are doing is making your preference a moral superior preference and backing this up with using the worst case scenario stereotyping crap that people often use when trying to morally justify ones choices instead of just going this is what works for me.

People who have sex with people outside of their partner are not all picking guys off the street and having unprotected sex. That is just insulting. As a nurse, I am not going to worse case scenarios of disease nor am I going to say there is not risk in it as well. Guess what though there is risk in most things we do.

Anyone who smokes, eats poorly, does not exercise, rides a motorcycle, does not use a seat belt, drinks heavily and on and on is risking their life and I would certainly include dominants letting their subs do these things would that not be murder too? I can also go into the risk, and they are significant, you put your body when in bondage, piercing, fire play, electrical play, prolong kneeling and on and on. The difference in many of these things for people is some they do and some they do not do. Sorry but just the statement of being shared is Russian roulette without any proper context in how it is done and using worse case fear mongering to promote your point does not carry much weight with me.

If a person has a hard time with this type of play then they need to make it a hard limit and I imagine for a large percentage of people it is. Good for them. If a sub is pushed into this against her limits then there are significant issues that have to be addressed in the relationship

Maybe it would be a wonderful world where people only have sex with one partner for a lifetime, where everything we do in life is safe for us to do with no risk to our life being shorter or quality of life being lowered. Sounds like a fantasy life to me and I chose to live in reality and that includes understanding and doing things that lower my risks I choose to take to the smallest level I can and not to judge people who do the same for the risks they take and not to paint them with such a wide brush of moral superiority.


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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 8:46:05 AM   
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I am not making a case of morality here what everyone does is their busines. But if you read the psot from 1969slave at being forced to endure it then I have to stand my ground. NO ONE should be forced to endure it for the pleasure of another unless they are willing. I agree with you in your post as to other things that are dangerous. But, you as a nurse know well that most of the others are reversable unless you messup with some of them. BUt you have to agree AIDS is silent and can not be detected that easly in early stages. That is where I was going  you dont know if you are a carrier from one encounter to another and you have to agree with that. That is why you wear all the protection not in a emergenecy room much more than you ever use to. But again my thoughts  not trying to force the issue on anyone

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 9:18:50 AM   
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OK, first of all, I don't share.  At least not with another man.  Maybe its just the redneck slipping out, I don't know.  You cant drive my truck, you cant play my guitar, and you will damn well keep your hands off my woman.  I read a few replies here that insinuate that not sharing is a matter of insecurity.  And then I read that  some share to show that they can.  Well, I can, I know I can.  Mine would do whatever I instructed her to.  The fact is I am SO secure that I don't have to prove that by loaning her out or sharing her with whoever or whatever comes along.  To  me that is just not showing that I value what is mine.  Put me down  in the "mine ...mine...mine"  column. 

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 9:20:29 AM   
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Been there, done that.  She was 36, he was 18.  We all knew each other from the gym where we all weight lifted.  I knew that he was hot for her, and she for him and so invited him over for dinner, then suggested a hot tub later.  Well things progressed and we did a menage a trois.  From what I could tell everyone involved had a great time.  The only problem (he was a virgin so STI's didn't fit in as a problem) was that afterwards I eventually figured out that she cheated on my when I was in Lab classes at least once a week for the following year.  So, the night was good, but the outcome poor.

I agree with daddysprop247's comments.  I also believe that there is an element of  jealousy that plays  a very important part.  Everyone  looses the attraction for another over time, to a degree, and jealousy can be a strong factor  in keeping a relationship together (though it can also be destructive, if uncontrolled).  If she  (or he) is attractive to another, the viewer  starts to rethink about just how attractive their mate is.   I believe that there is a primal component also,  especially for women.  Historically  a woman who had a  man  "on the side," fared better when her guy  got eaten by the Sabertooth Tiger, since man #2 has a vested interest in her.  I believe that  the impetus for women cheating is laregly based upon that.

Technically  a man watching  his woman being fucked is a Cuckold.  In today's  society however the term  mostly  relates to  the male as a "victim," either  controlled by the other man, or by his wife or lover.  See cuckold-forum  dot  net to get an idea of the popularity.  However  the desire to  share, or see one's partner with another without being controlled, or doing so in a very controlled manner is also a  very common , though not often acted  upon kink.

The real problem that I see is finding the right partner.  Occasional, random, or short-term  menage a troi's (or quartra's)  bring increased STI (Sexually  Transmitted  Infections).   There is alsothe factor that  each must be compatible with two other people.  If my partner was turned on by the idea I'd enjoy experimenting with another, or two guys in a "co-dom" position.  Though  what I'd really want then is  to have all parties agree to maintain sexual relationships  without  "going outside the group," and they  would have to be tested for common STI's.  The problem here is that to test for  HSV-2 (genital herpes) there needs to be  a four month waiting period to assure that the person  who is infected tests infective.  I point out HSV-2 because it can easily be transmitted even with a condom on.   This  wait  makes things very difficult though not impossible.  Condoms do increase protection, but most  people  (at least guys) that like to watch this get off on the creampie  (if you don't know what a creampie is do a search for creampie and ignore the recipes) and for that  complete testing is necessary.  Remember that  HIV =  death and the largest infection rates have occurred these past years in the heterosexual  population.  HIV testing has become the norm for both partners, as a matter of courtesy and respect.  Though many places tell you that you must wait 4 months, in reality 2 months pick up most positives correctly, though not all.   I recommend a two month HIV test followed by one at four months.




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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 9:39:47 AM   
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I don't mind sharing, but I'm just not all that excited about boffing other men.  Now if my GUY were to be with another guy... THAT might be interesting...


What is with you women!  I have a friend that is married, and she keeps saying that all the damn time.  The damnest thing though, she's extremely attractive, and she knows I have a thing for her.  As if she might be willing for some form of trade agreement.  Very Tempting and Very Hard Limit!  Feels like selling my soul to the devil if I take her up on this!



What is it with you men!  You expect US to have no problem at all getting it on with another woman, yet you look at us as if we've sprouted horns if we suggest you do the same with a man!  Some of us happen to find the vision of two men having sex to be extremely appealing, but show us girl-on-girl action and it's FF time.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 10:30:07 AM   
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My Dom won't share me with any other person, be it guy or female. So no, it's not just you who thinks that way

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 2:51:43 PM   
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What is it with you men!  You expect US to have no problem at all getting it on with another woman, yet you look at us as if we've sprouted horns if we suggest you do the same with a man!  Some of us happen to find the vision of two men having sex to be extremely appealing, but show us girl-on-girl action and it's FF time.


LOL!!!  I have NO interest in women at all from a sexual standpoint, yet this has got to be one of his most recurrent fantasies.  I agree with you.  Another man?  Hmmmm.....might be worth considering.  Having HIM do another man?  Even more interesting! 

And yes, like Whiplashsmile, my Dom has no idea why another woman doesn't turn me on as much as it does him.  Damn these adolescent boys and their porno movies! 


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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/9/2007 5:52:42 PM   
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What is it with you men!  You expect US to have no problem at all getting it on with another woman, yet you look at us as if we've sprouted horns if we suggest you do the same with a man!  Some of us happen to find the vision of two men having sex to be extremely appealing, but show us girl-on-girl action and it's FF time.


LOL!!!  I have NO interest in women at all from a sexual standpoint, yet this has got to be one of his most recurrent fantasies.  I agree with you.  Another man?  Hmmmm.....might be worth considering.  Having HIM do another man?  Even more interesting! 

And yes, like Whiplashsmile, my Dom has no idea why another woman doesn't turn me on as much as it does him.  Damn these adolescent boys and their porno movies! 



Definitely singing My song here.  As I have put on other posts, there is a HUGE discrimination factor between the genders on the same sex issue.  While it is accepted in general for two women to be together sexually, or for a female to be bi (terrible label, but there it is), swing it the other way around and people totally flip.  Ask almost any man if they become excited at the idea of watching two women together, and very few can honestly say it doesn't excited them.  Therefore, it shouldn't be so abnormal if a woman would get excited by the idea of two men together.  I'm sure I'll get blasted on this, as I did in other posts, but I happen to believe it is the truth.
 
This kind of leads back to the "forced" issue.  (Yes, I hate that term, too.  Don't get Me started on labels.)  If you are with someone who is intregued by a same sex experience, and it turns you and your partner on.... More power to you.  If it's a turn off, then it's a turn off, and if there's no fun to it, what's the point?  Personally, I'm the the "straight Myself, but what a turn on to watch and participate in" catagory.  Other women don't turn Me on in the least little bit.  I suppose that's why watching someone enjoy what I enjoy sexually a huge turn on.

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RE: who wants to watch their woman with another man? - 3/10/2007 5:25:39 PM   
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Speaking in the opposite: A woman watching her man with someone else: The Dom whom I serve has asked me several times how I would feel if I had to watch Him fuck another woman. He wants me to lose weight and He asked "how would you feel if you had to watch Me do things with some 120 pound woman that I wouldn't do with you?" 

I came to the brilliant conclusion that this is something He will do at some time.  To say that I don't want to ever experience something like that is a major understatement. BUT, my purpose is to fulfill HIS desires, not my own, so this too would have to be endured.

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