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BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 5:33:22 AM   
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Quite often people that are depressed turn to drugs etc. to find an artificial high. I experience a high during a scene that if artifical drugs can do better, I never need to touch them because I would be instantly hooked. My question is can someone that is depressed turn to BDSM to get this high? Would the best course of action be to step back away from BDSM during treatment?


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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 6:22:40 AM   
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I'm not sure whether you are referring to prescribed or illegal drugs. Either way if they alter the state of your mind, reactions, physical perceptions then its probably a good idea to step back whilst on them.
I was on prozac for depression for a while and they totally altered the way my mind functioned and the way i reacted to physical pain. I couldnt have cared less about anything and i felt nothing physically, not good if i had been doing a scene. I naturally get a high from bdsm but the prozac chilled me out that much i dont think i could have achieved a high from anything.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 6:56:31 AM   
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They have shown depressed people often self medicate to try to "fix" themselves. I am sure there are some people that use subspace to "fix" themselves.... it would be more productive for these people to walk a few times a week. While I am sure that some people do this, I would hope that they figure out what is physically going on with them and fix it in a healthy way. I do not see BDSM as therapy or treatment for depression.

There is the whole aspect of addictive personalities, people that crave the rush of play. These people can actually be harmed by BDSM (in my opinion), because they are willing to take risks with their safety. My Daddy had one such submissive and she would intentionally try to anger him so he would beat her because it had worked in a previous relationship. This is the sort of behavior I think can end up harming someone because they crave a fix.

This is only my opinion though, I will state  I have no studies, I have no proof, and I am just going by supposition.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 7:07:11 AM   
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These are some articles I've found interesting on this topic.
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The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the "production of happiness" and eventually remove depressive feelings.
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Study Finds Pain and Pleasure Linked in Brain
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) (reprinted from reuters.com)
Pain and pleasure may be closer sensations than anyone thought, researchers said on
Wednesday.
They found the two often activate the same circuits in the brain -- suggesting that the
responses to pain and pleasure are similar.
The findings may open ways to better treat pain and also increase understanding of how
the brain works, said Dr. David Borsook of Massachusetts General Hospital, who led the
study.
They may also offer an objective way to measure what is now an intensely personal
sensation.
``Pain is not just a sensory experience -- 'I feel it here so and just this much' -- but it is
also an emotional experience. It is that emotional experience that has been hard to capture
or define,'' Borsook said in a telephone interview.
``By defining this circuitry we believe we now are in a position to understand what in a
chronic pain patient is their bigger problem, and this is their emotional reaction to pain.
They are anxious, they don't eat as much, they become depressed, even suicidal.''
Borsook's team used technology that allows scientists see the brain in action. They took
functional MRI images of the brains of eight healthy young men while running various
tests.
In one, a small heat pad was attached to the hands of the volunteers. The researchers
heated it to either a pleasantly warm 106 degrees F (41 degrees C) or a painful 115
degrees (46 degrees C).
Painfully hot temperatures activated not only areas long associated with pain in the brain,
but also areas previously believed to involve ``reward'' circuitry, the researchers reported
in the Dec. 6 issue of the journal Neuron.
In some of the structures associated with reward -- areas known to be activated by
cocaine, food and money -- the pattern was different from that caused by pleasurable
rewards.
There was also a variation in the response over time.
``These are two brain systems that were never associated in the past, and it's the first time
that we have seen something aversive activating these reward structures,'' Lino Becerra,
who worked on the study, said in a statement.
Borsook said something more complex than a simple positive or negative response may
be going on.
``It may be that these circuits previously described as handling reward are actually
analyzing stimuli and judging which are important to survival,'' he said.
``I'm hopeful that these results will help us understand how chronic pain produces
changes in the brains of patients. For example, many chronic pain patients report that
they cannot enjoy any pleasurable experience ... This interaction of brain systems also
may explain why patients can take opioid drugs for pain without becoming addicted.''
Borsook, who has studied chronic pain for 15 years, said the experiment might also show
ways for doctors to use functional MRI to objectively measure pain -- and to measure
whether pain drugs are working.
``One of the big, big problems in pain treatment is that we don't have the equivalent, for
many pain conditions, of an antibiotic -- where you can test for sensitivity and then you
give it and the chances are ... that pneumonia or whatever will disappear,'' he said.
It should also help in the design of better pain drugs. ''Current therapies are essentially
based on folklore -- opioids and aspirins,'' he said. ``We don't even know how they work.
Borsook said the findings may also explain the unusual response of masochists to pain,
although he stressed this was not his particular goal.
``Clearly if sadism and masochism represents something in the reward-aversion
continuum, one hypothesis suggests that perhaps the circuitry has been modified to where
an aversive stimulus is perceived as rewarding,'' he said.
 
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I personally feel much relief if I have a good hard spanking at the point I'm down.
It gives me a peaceful spent feeling that seems to quiet the chatter in my brain.
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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 7:12:44 AM   
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People who suffer depression as a disease not necessarily as a symptom of another disease will often seek out self medication and certainly BDSM because of the emotional and physical nature of it can be something someone suffering from depression will be drawn to. This though is more often found with people who have not been diagnosed and/or accept the diagnose therefore stepping back from something that is not there is not an option.

People involved in this life are all types of people with all types of problems. This also includes people who struggle with mental diseases including depression. For most people depression is an ongoing thing and not something that gets treated and you are cured. Certainly for people who are suffering the short term depression of fighting through some short term bad situations then of course that is not a good time to pursue something like this. It is a bad time to pursue anything, but for people that depression is an ongoing thing then that option is not available to them.

For those who have depression, accept it and are managing it then I see no reason to step back from pursuing the life if it is something the person feels strongly about. People with depression are also like many other people that explore this world, for some it will be ongoing love and for some it will be in and out fairly quickly. Many people chase highs and magic pills for happiness not just people with depression. I do not think any of us can tell which people when starting out will be which type. We are all on our own journey.



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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 7:46:34 AM   
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Activity, especially interactive where there is personal interests and good after care, does seem to cheer up every one - including those with clinical depression.
I have used this article  
( Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide crises )posted by onestandingstill 
TWICE in My college psychology classes -
partially coz it WORKS for every one I've 'whacked' as well as the fun of opening sleepy lil town eyes and minds .. Mwahahaha!


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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 7:54:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phin
Quite often people that are depressed turn to drugs etc. to find an artificial high. I experience a high during a scene that if artifical drugs can do better, I never need to touch them because I would be instantly hooked. My question is can someone that is depressed turn to BDSM to get this high? Would the best course of action be to step back away from BDSM during treatment?

You can get a high, but you'll also get a drop.  Do not turn to bdsm as a substitute for therapy, but as long as you are getting good treatment, there's not necessarily a reason to stop enjoying bdsm either.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 8:08:29 AM   
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BDSM is mental heroin, at least when I play. You get the highs, you get the lows. It is basically a drug. If you drop for too far and for too long, it's probably not for you.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 11:31:35 AM   
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Once again LA provides sage like advice and great links to other threads. thank Y/you all for replying

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 11:45:11 AM   
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I actually skipped over this questions earlier today, but it's been on my mind since then. My first, knee-jerk reaction was to say that in no way should BDAM be used as therapy. But, the more I thought about it, the more I wondered if this was a place where I'm changing my mind.

In fact, why can't we simply add it to our arsenal of GOOD coping behaviors for stress, depressions, etc. I mean, no on seems to think it's wrong to take a hot bath with a glass of wine at the end of a long stressful day. We have found a way to positively pamper ourselves and care for ourselves. This is a good thing. Hell, I know that when I'm depressed, often a ggod fuck will set me right or well on the way to getting right. So, why not BDSM? As long as it's not an abused thing (like the glass of wine developing into alcoholism), why SHOULDN'T we use it as a positive thing in our lives?

In other words, if I get positive benefits out of BDSM, why can't I count it as a valid positive coping mechanism?

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 12:09:03 PM   
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I believe that BDSM could be used as therapy when done in certain ways and I believe there was an artivle posted on bdsm in the news where a canadian shrink was doing that but there are a couple of point that my cause some problems.
You brain gets kind of use to the endorphin levels so if someone is on any kind of meds and they stop taking them all at once
it can cause some pretty bad depression problems but that can also be the case with bdsm where the persons hormone levels are way up there because of something like Paxil or Zoloft and then you turn around and play with them over the weekend and it goes that much higher so in short the crash from it could be really horrific.

You could use the D/S dynamic to cause a sub to stop the behaviors that are often a result of depression and get there life moving again without going through the crap of trying to get them to relise the hows and whys and what has to be done kind of like putting them on the right track moving there life forward again and once they are on that track they can then relise why they are there later when they are in a better state of mind.  BDSM can then be used as a reward system by shooting the hormones up really high when they better themselves in some way. 
Unless of course they are part of a 12 stepper where they can just waist away

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 12:26:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PONYSEEKER

I believe that BDSM could be used as therapy when done in certain ways and I believe there was an artivle posted on bdsm in the news where a canadian shrink was doing that but there are a couple of point that my cause some problems.
You brain gets kind of use to the endorphin levels so if someone is on any kind of meds and they stop taking them all at once
it can cause some pretty bad depression problems but that can also be the case with bdsm where the persons hormone levels are way up there because of something like Paxil or Zoloft and then you turn around and play with them over the weekend and it goes that much higher so in short the crash from it could be really horrific.

You could use the D/S dynamic to cause a sub to stop the behaviors that are often a result of depression and get there life moving again without going through the crap of trying to get them to relise the hows and whys and what has to be done kind of like putting them on the right track moving there life forward again and once they are on that track they can then relise why they are there later when they are in a better state of mind.  BDSM can then be used as a reward system by shooting the hormones up really high when they better themselves in some way. 
Unless of course they are part of a 12 stepper where they can just waist away



Right. One of my biggedt arguements I had before all my thinking this morning was that we didn't have control over the "dosage" of chemicals BDSM dumps into our system...and that could lead to trouble. BUT, that doesn't mean that it can't be useful. Learning a new coping mechanism takes time and trail and error. Suppose we're able to learn to say "when."? Isn't this taking responsibility for ourselves and our own mental health? Isn't that was makes us a healthy adult? I realize I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'm not sure I'm buying what I'm arguing...but I argue a pretty good point...I might be convincing...;-)

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 12:36:36 PM   
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quote:

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Right. One of my biggedt arguements I had before all my thinking this morning was that we didn't have control over the "dosage" of chemicals BDSM dumps into our system...and that could lead to trouble. BUT, that doesn't mean that it can't be useful. Learning a new coping mechanism takes time and trail and error. Suppose we're able to learn to say "when."? Isn't this taking responsibility for ourselves and our own mental health? Isn't that was makes us a healthy adult? I realize I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'm not sure I'm buying what I'm arguing...but I argue a pretty good point...I might be convincing...;-)

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Yes but then you have to remember that you are talking about people that have a mental illness even though its usually not severe in most people and is usally only brief.  Lets say for example a woman going through a divorce that is depressed and stressed. I am sure that most of us have met one at one time or another that was doing things as a form of self punishment rather than just for the " I'm free to try new things" kick.  The problem is that they often cant distinguish between the two.  In other words they may be more likely to lets say take on four or five guys at once at a partly then shake it off afterwards only for it to truly be something that they dont see as being right and it in turn adding to the depression and forcing them into some kind of mode where they spend the following three or four years of trying to justify shit that dont need justifing.  I think as doms one of our most important responsibilities in taking care of our subs is knowing what is going on in there heads and making the responsible decision and sometimes the decision is that the sub is not a mentally healthy and responsible person and therefore leads to the question or play or no play or wether not we want to take the sub on ... If its in an existing relationship then of course we take over the decision making process for them and help them put their lives back together in exchange for there services but then theres the catch of .... are they a sub because it caters to the depression or because they truly enjoy the life style.   I mean getting involved personally with a sub like that could mean that when they are better the relationship would naturally have to end.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 1:35:56 PM   
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I do not think it would be wise to use BDSM as the main therapy to treat depression for a person into it but I do agree in principal if a person has understanding of themselves and is controlling it with other things besides BDSM then if BDSM helps out in the overall treatment then why not.

The problem when people attempt self medication is that it often is a quick temporary fix that they cannot keep up with that then spins out of control. It is many times the pursuant to satisfy the quick fix that often causing a lot of potentially permanent damage.


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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 1:40:20 PM   
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Ok Guys a question that's been hitting my brain all day is if spanking is used regularly as therapy what would happen if a depressed person in sub drop, drops hard after the spanking's been given?
I'd wonder if when the endorphins settled back down if they wouldn't be more depressed than before the spanking.
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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 4:01:29 PM   
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Dear Phin, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Depression effects/affects many individuals in many different degrees.  In my mind's eyes I see, it must be an individual case-by-case based judgment call by the two 'players' in the situation.  This will require a lot of communication and not treating depression as 'catching.'

That said, there are times when Masters/Dominants apply catharsis impacts.  It often is healing in its results.

The mind is extremely powerful and can influence so much.  But, I do want to establish that BDSM is not the cure for depression in medium to severe cases.  Everybody has bouts of depression--it is normal, for example when there is a 'loss' of something and or someone.  Weather can aid in the feelings of being down and the like.  I highly recommend talking to a mental health professional.

It would be most sad indeed, when BDSM is just a delay of a healing and or management of the roots of the depression.  Some busy themselves in the lifestyle and or BDSM community as to do anything and everything to keep their minds off things that depress them.  Any suggestion of help though, might get your hand bit, as they think you're attacking them instead of attacking the depression issues.

Depression is something I wouldn't wish to triffle with, as it applies to someone near or dear. 

Just some thoughts.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 5:05:49 PM   
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Quite often people that are depressed turn to drugs etc. to find an artificial high. I experience a high during a scene that if artifical drugs can do better, I never need to touch them because I would be instantly hooked. My question is can someone that is depressed turn to BDSM to get this high? Would the best course of action be to step back away from BDSM during treatment?


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If you're already into BDSM, then maybe a scene might help occassional depression.  But clinical depression is extremely serious and BDSM has nothing to do with treating it.  That's just a weird notion all around.  I think that the last thing a depressed person would need is BDSM. You have to be mentally strong and secure to involve yourself in BDSM on either side. 

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 5:29:03 PM   
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Well as someone who suffers from mild depression (I am in general more of a melancholy type person) and Generalized Anxiety Disorder ... I had a serious stint of post-partum depression after having an UM I felt the need to respond.  BDSM is not a way to treat Depression or any mental illness but it can be a coping mechanism if the person is using other methods to cope also.  As someone else said a great stress reliever.  I manage my periods of sadness just fine .... but sometimes when things are particularily stressful for whatever reason having some playtime helps tremendously.   I think as long as someone is doing what they need to do outside of BDSM to manage their depression that stepping away from the lifestyle only needs to happen if it becomes an addiction in order to self medicate.

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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/9/2007 5:51:32 PM   
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First off people suffering from depression that obtain medication from a medical provider don't experience a "high,"  as those that self medicate with illicate drugs would; what happens is that there are chemicals in the brain that either have not been released to the brain or need to be stablized.   The "high" that you refer to might be the difference in the chemicals that weren't there causing the depression to the chemicals being there and the relief of it; however, the person taking the prescribed medication would not be experiencing a "high."  However, many of these medications do cause some

Should a person refrain from BDSM activities while under the direction of a medical provider for depression?  That would be the responsibility of the participant to discuss with their provider.  i will say that in many states if you have been or are currently under psychotropic medications you can not "give consent."  i'm not a lawyer so check it out with your laws. 


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RE: BDSM and depression - 3/10/2007 5:15:26 AM   
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Hello. =)

Being somebody who has struggled with severe anxiety for years ( including a few hospitalizations), I really find it interesting that people would use BDSM to self-medicate. I found that my illness actually prevented me from enjoying play to it's fullest extent. Then again, I'm more prone to anxiety then depression. The two are related, but the symptoms can be different.

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