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MissyRane -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/12/2007 1:28:10 PM)

Well as far as love can take a lesbian[;)]



petdave -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/12/2007 5:25:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
"Sex is a spiritual obligation. It makes up for the poverty of bourgeois experience."


Wow, she must be an exciting lay [8|]

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The bedroom is where people who live otherwise safe lives can learn how cowardly or courageous they are, what their deepest and most dangerous desires are, whether they can follow unreason within them to what it, too, can teach."

One thing about BDSM is that it gives its practitioners a lexicon and layout for adventure. I suppose one might even refer to it as our own "manual" of unreason.


i would postulate that people who come to BDSM from this perspective are most likely to represent the worst of what the community has to offer. The pretty young women who come riding in on their drama llamas, bask in the attention that a single female receives in the BDSM world, break a few hearts, do a bunch of complaining about male doms/subs, and vanish... and the clueless wanna-be Doms who insist that total strangers call them "Master" and wait naked in hotel rooms for them.

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Imagine all of us, with our strange urges and desires, without the internet and the media --- those mediums that told us that: a) we are not alone and; b) O, I see, I can act on these twisted desires.

Where would we be with our unreason then? I shudder to think of it.


Some of us spent years in that condition... what of it?

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No problem. I kind of botched the thread by putting the wrong title on it.


Quite true, but it's always interesting to see how many people actually read a thread, and how many just read the title and fire 'way! [:D]

...dave



Vendaval -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/13/2007 4:02:19 AM)

Are men necessary?

That depends on the situation and the persons involved.
Some men are very necessary in day to day life,
some only serve specific purposes.



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/13/2007 4:29:31 AM)

I am pretty confused (what's new?) but the best sex a girl can have is with herself.  Neither men nor women are necessary for your own sex life to be amazing.

However if you decide you want a companion and you want to have sex with them, either gender should work fine (depending on your sexual orientation, right?)

I think if more women realised that they do not need a partner to have a happy and fulfilling life, they would eventually make wiser choices of partner for themselves (driven be desire, not desperation). 

(Edited coz I can't spell!)
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willing420 -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/13/2007 4:35:26 PM)

LMAO at ......ARE MEN NECESSARY. Anybody that says men arent is a complete fool. All the sperm banks in the world couldnt keep the human race going. And frostyslave you are a total jackass if you really think the world would be a worse place if there were only women. The natural instinct of violence is far greater in men than it is in women. Ladyhugs was on the right track, except she didnt mention religion and racism which is the largest factor in this history of warfare.



TNstepsout -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/14/2007 6:58:13 PM)

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"Sex is a spiritual obligation. It makes up for the poverty of bourgeois experience. We're too late for the Spanish Civil War. We missed landing at Omaha Beach. But still we need to know what we're capable of. So it is in the realm of private life that we have to risk ourselves, to disclose ourselves, to vindicate ourselves; and the more private, the more illuminating. Our theater for self discovery is smaller. And in this lucky but shrunken theater, the bedroom looms very large. It is the front line, the foxhole.


Interesting quote. Not sure what it has to do with men being necessary. Which by the way, they are, without men, who would open the pickle jar?

I agree with the thoughts expressed in this quote. For most people daily life is pretty hum drum and predictable (at least when it's going well). We all need a little excitement and BDSM is pretty good at that.



MissSCD -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/14/2007 8:12:52 PM)

Of course men are necessary.  Who would we get to cut the grass, repair automobiles, fight wars, cook and clean for us if we did not have men?

Regards,

MissSCD



LotusSong -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/14/2007 8:21:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: frostyslave

The world would be a much more violent place if women were left to themselves with their seemingly unlimited supply of envy for each other.  Men provide order and stability in what would otherwise be an estrogen fueled clusterfuck of anarchy and misery.  We see bombs rain down on cities, the occasional genocide, male crime rates, etc, but it would be much much worse if women ran the show. 

Women also need the cock. 


... and not to mention we still need them to lift the heavy stuff :)



hammernhoney -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/14/2007 8:25:03 PM)

Just as much as women are necessary.like a coin it needs both a head and a tail to be compleate....bounty



cindyhypno -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/15/2007 5:45:29 PM)

Did I really read this right???????????



mantis65 -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/16/2007 3:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: frostyslave

The world would be a much more violent place if women were left to themselves with their seemingly unlimited supply of envy for each other.  Men provide order and stability in what would otherwise be an estrogen fueled clusterfuck of anarchy and misery.  We see bombs rain down on cities, the occasional genocide, male crime rates, etc, but it would be much much worse if women ran the show. 

Women also need the cock. 


... and not to mention we still need them to lift the heavy stuff :)


When they perfect the robotic male substitute androids that can lift heavy stuff and have vibrating parts and a mute button..Then I will worry about it.



MissyRane -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/16/2007 5:27:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mantis65

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: frostyslave

The world would be a much more violent place if women were left to themselves with their seemingly unlimited supply of envy for each other.  Men provide order and stability in what would otherwise be an estrogen fueled clusterfuck of anarchy and misery.  We see bombs rain down on cities, the occasional genocide, male crime rates, etc, but it would be much much worse if women ran the show. 

Women also need the cock. 


... and not to mention we still need them to lift the heavy stuff :)


When they perfect the robotic male substitute androids that can lift heavy stuff and have vibrating parts and a mute button..Then I will worry about it.


The robots would still lack the humor guys have [;)]



DawnFire -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/20/2007 7:11:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Of course men are necessary.  Who would we get to cut the grass, repair automobiles, fight wars, cook and clean for us if we did not have men?

Regards,

MissSCD



That's so great.  I enjoy my boy... but necessary?  Not when we figure out cloning.  I can lift my own damn heavy stuff.



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/20/2007 7:26:38 PM)

quote:

ARE MEN NECESSARY?


no



JerryGreen -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/20/2007 7:33:34 PM)

i guess we are just like cat owners, once they invent a tin opener cats can use we'll be discarded
Hoping i'm wrong
Jerry



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/20/2007 7:35:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Of course men are necessary.  Who would we get to cut the grass, repair automobiles, fight wars, cook and clean for us if we did not have men?

Regards,

MissSCD


androids



Vendaval -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/21/2007 12:27:12 AM)

Somebody has to clean and change the litterbox!  (sniff)



MsRose -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (3/21/2007 12:52:48 AM)

Well yes, if the question is "are men necessary". I generally find them to be good companions on some trips. I think they are also good for teasing, fixing, mowing, pickle-jar opening, pedicuring. I'm sure there is a lengthy list of uses we have for men, somewhere.

If the question is about the necessity of a BDSM lexicon (and I'm not sure that it is) then I'd agree with what others have said in that many have stumbled across BDSM without first having the language for it. So, no, I don't think a lexicon of BDSM is necessary. It can come in handy at times, during play. Like a thesaurus for when you want to be creative with a 500 word essay.



BreakHim4Me -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (4/3/2007 10:24:32 AM)

Besides, other women don't drool at us the way men do.



DanceDreaming -> RE: Are Men Necessary?? (4/3/2007 2:27:36 PM)

Wow, this thread is a cluster.

Note to Cloudboy on how to name a thread: this is not the best way [:D]

On, to niftiness:
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"Sex is a spiritual obligation. It makes up for the poverty of bourgeois experience."

I believe someone poked at you about this one, but I think I get it. The notion is that sexuality is, all too often, something that we have very strong conflicted feelings about. We have the repression and derision that comes from a country built on puritanical ideals, placed against the biological and social pressure to have sex. So many taboos, so many 'dangerous' direction one can go...and the excuse that it is on some level obligatory. Unlike that weekend in Tahoe risking life and limb on the slopes.

I have to wonder sometimes, though....if such narrowing of such an important spiritual aspect is healthy, or if it will only further twist and antagonize ones already tangled(i.e. : american) sexual landscape. Hard to say, probably an individual thing. Still, other forms of self-illumination are recommended, at least supplementary.

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The key to acting on "unreason" is to decode it. BDSM, as a lexicon, helps us do that. BDSM acts as a roadmap.

I disagree. On 2 levels

First, one need not decode unreason to act on it. If I have an unreasoning desire to suddenly kiss my boy, I don't decode, I just do, or don't. I also don't decode my desire to risk death on above mentioned slopes, except in the most cursory of manners. "Why do I do?" Because it's fun. "OK." Working out some bit of info can be useful, to trick the 'thinker' part of the brain into being willing to do something irrational(and thereby giving up control), but making up and vaguely believing a handy excuse is a lot different than actually decoding.

Second, should an unreason actually ever be decoded, it loses it's power. An example being: driving a car. The first time you sit behind the wheel, it has that same 'foxhole' quality(such colorful metaphor). A thrill, because it's frightening, but desirable(actual foxholes being less desirable than simply unavoidable)... When was the last time getting behind the wheel felt thrilling?

The widespread knowledge of bdsm has simply made this area of soul-searching, and fun, available to more people. Which has it's benefits and drawbacks. Which we can(and will) argue until the internet implodes into one big fantastic all-mind. And quite possibly after.

As to if men are necessary.. One might as well ask if trees are, or rocks, or streams. Necessary or no, they -are-, and if they were not the world would simply be a different place.

Though I got to agree, their antics are pretty amusing. [;)]



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