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Missokyst -> Nilla (3/11/2007 8:00:27 PM)

I see a lot of people mention they don't engage in bdsm, but do enjoy d/s.  I have always wondered what makes this any different from simple old fashioned relationships.  When did it not be ok to consider onesself traditional (nilla)?  If there is no bondage, discipline, or sado-masochistic activity in a relationship, why are so many not ok with that?
I know I stated this judgementally, but  it has always perplexed me.
Kyst




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:07:04 PM)

If you are mentally controlled, one person is very much the Dominant and you are submissive to them, and even though there are no aspects of BDSM there is no hint tof equality in the relationship, you arent vanilla. Being involved in D/s is mental, and can be physical. There may still be discipline, but not the typical ideas that make up Bondage, and sadomasochiam. Angel and I are D/s, but I dont consider us BDSM becasue I do not put him into bondage, I do not discipline him unless he has misbehaved, and ther eis no SM at all.  We are heavily into age play,  and he is mentaly and emoionally dependant on me. We are very far from Vanilla, but we are not BDSM either.

Hope that helps a bit.
DV




Missokyst -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:32:18 PM)

I remember my grandmother was very much submissive to her second husband.  But it was a cultural thing, as well as being generational.  If he needed his toenails clipped, she did it.  If his back needed to be scrubbed, that was her job.  She didn't think anything was odd about it, it was just what the culture and generation found acceptable. 
But I would not say she was submissive as I view it in a bdsm sense.  Because so many of that generation held the belief that "this is life".  What disturbs me (if I can use such harsh terms) is that, somewhere along the line, catering to your mate as it was your job, became almost shameful.  So much that people denied they enjoy that sort of life.
If being old fashioned in this old nilla way is kink, wouldn't it be lovely to express it with pride,  "I believe in old fashioned mores, someone must be in charge.  It just happens to be me."
I guess I would like to see more people be OK with being who they are without having to consider it kinky.
as my grandmother used to say "es vida" "thats life" 
Kyst




bellanotte -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:37:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I remember my grandmother was very much submissive to her second husband.  But it was a cultural thing, as well as being generational.  If he needed his toenails clipped, she did it.  If his back needed to be scrubbed, that was her job.  She didn't think anything was odd about it, it was just what the culture and generation found acceptable. 
But I would not say she was submissive as I view it in a bdsm sense.  Because so many of that generation held the belief that "this is life".  What disturbs me (if I can use such harsh terms) is that, somewhere along the line, catering to your mate as it was your job, became almost shameful.  So much that people denied they enjoy that sort of life.
If being old fashioned in this old nilla way is kink, wouldn't it be lovely to express it with pride,  "I believe in old fashioned mores, someone must be in charge.  It just happens to be me."
I guess I would like to see more people be OK with being who they are without having to consider it kinky.
as my grandmother used to say "es vida" "thats life" 
Kyst


I would li ke to see more people being OK with who they are and the life they want as well *smiles softly.* Unfortunately any society tends to judge...
The feminist movement had some absolutely wonderful results, but one thing I don't like is exactly what you mentioned, that those who prefer the traditional roles tend to be harped upon rather than just "live to let live."
I think that is wy they seek inclusion under the D/s of the BDsM umbrella, because they cannot very well find it much in modern society as a whole.





SilverShadows -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:38:36 PM)

?Maybe they don't know what BDSM stands for?




mythi -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:51:40 PM)

Or perhaps BDSM is sometimes too inclusive a term.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 8:53:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I see a lot of people mention they don't engage in bdsm, but do enjoy d/s.  I have always wondered what makes this any different from simple old fashioned relationships.  When did it not be ok to consider onesself traditional (nilla)?  If there is no bondage, discipline, or sado-masochistic activity in a relationship, why are so many not ok with that?
I know I stated this judgementally, but  it has always perplexed me.
Kyst

The difference is consensually and actively choosing to be in a relationship based upon an authority differential, and accepting a relationship because it's the socially expected standard.

And most aren't ok with it because in our culture today we prioritize self choice above social standards (in theory) AND many females believe to follow an old social standard denigrates the progress females try to make.  Even many women who ARE slaves have difficulties letting go of the "new social standards" of what a woman is supposed to be.




juliaoceania -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 9:39:42 PM)

quote:

And most aren't ok with it because in our culture today we prioritize self choice above social standards (in theory) AND many females believe to follow an old social standard denigrates the progress females try to make.  Even many women who ARE slaves have difficulties letting go of the "new social standards" of what a woman is supposed to be.


This was perhaps the part that was the hardest for me to mentally adjust to in accepting my submissiveness. I had spent a lifetime forcing myself into a mold that just did not fit, but that mold was a part of my identity in that it was a mask I wore everywhere I went. To accept less than equality in today's world is just not acceptable, especially for someone who has studied gender relations of other cultures and found them lacking in many ways.




Missokyst -> RE: Nilla (3/11/2007 9:47:55 PM)

Maybe it is the choice which makes it enter into realm of bdsm?  I know my grandmother had no real alternatives open to her.  Although she did work for a time once she split from her first husband to support her kids.  Once she married again, she fell back into the service mode that was expected from her.
Culturally it is still easier for some to walk the submissive role (meaning old fashioned here, not kinky).  But wow, I can see how this can be a difficult choice for a male sub.  Perhaps people do need to identify with this as a support for being who they are.  I can relate to that.
Kyst




mstrjx -> RE: Nilla (3/12/2007 7:08:09 AM)

I had a 'not play' M/s relationship for a while.  About 7 years all told.

I 'could' do that again, but I would prefer not.  Personally, I find a BDSM relationship which includes M/s or D/s much more fulfilling.

Jeff




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