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farglebargle -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 3:23:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: If we had taken the 300 Billion flushed down the toilet trying to bring freedom and liberty to Iraq, and instead used it for developing our own energy independence, the market for oil would have tanked, oil would be 10 bucks a barrel, and you'd be paying 80 cents a gallon. Just curious, while I've all for serching out alternative fuels and energy sources (and for conservation), would your program for energy independence include increasing domestic production by drilling more in Alaska and off shore? No, it involves a network of Geosynchronous satellites which convert Solar Power into microwaves, and beams it to groundstations we place in whatever nations we wish to grant our beneficence upon. We need the oil to make tupperware and rubbermaid. But until the plug in cars get widespread, since we wouldn't need coal, oil or natgas to fuel power plants, the market for fossil fuels would drop. 300 Billion is the pricetag people always attached to it, but we just never had the will. This isn't "Short Term" thinking. This is "Long Term", the US owns the world, access to space, and free power for our friends.

babyboyk -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 3:24:27 PM)
heck, over in the UK wed prolly kill for cheap gas (or petrol) most of the cost in England, goes to Gordon Browns (get used to the name, he could be our next Prime Minister) back pocket, in the form of tax...... we pay roughly 90 pence (sterling) for a litre of petrol, roughly £4.50ish an english gallon= with the exchange rate at roughly $2 to the pound, thats a heck of a lot...... i wonder how much tax is paid in the US for gas????

lonlyrossInNeed -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 5:43:59 PM)
i just called my cusin erlier today he told me that he spent 180 dollars us to fill his tank up in isreal today

DianeB269 -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 5:45:25 PM)
$3.30 a gal here....

pahunkboy -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 5:46:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: babyboyk heck, over in the UK wed prolly kill for cheap gas (or petrol) most of the cost in England, goes to Gordon Browns (get used to the name, he could be our next Prime Minister) back pocket, in the form of tax...... we pay roughly 90 pence (sterling) for a litre of petrol, roughly £4.50ish an english gallon= with the exchange rate at roughly $2 to the pound, thats a heck of a lot...... i wonder how much tax is paid in the US for gas???? it varies from locale to locale. average is about $1.00 tax per gallon here. perhaps as low as $0.50; in sone areas.

Marc2b -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 6:02:23 PM)
quote: No, it involves a network of Geosynchronous satellites which convert Solar Power into microwaves, and beams it to groundstations we place in whatever nations we wish to grant our beneficence upon. We need the oil to make tupperware and rubbermaid. But until the plug in cars get widespread, since we wouldn't need coal, oil or natgas to fuel power plants, the market for fossil fuels would drop. 300 Billion is the pricetag people always attached to it, but we just never had the will. This isn't "Short Term" thinking. This is "Long Term", the US owns the world, access to space, and free power for our friends. I have no problem with long term thinking, in fact I think a lack of long term thinking is one of humanities major shortcomings (no pun intended). Not that we haven’t done it. The pyramids certainly were a result of long term planning. Microwave power seems doable even with a price tag of 500 billion (I am assuming the usual cost overruns). If there is profit to be made, investors will step up. I think opposition would be more likely in the political arena – too many vested interests with too much too loose. The solution to that, I think, is to give those same vested interests an incentive to get on board. Give them a stake in it by offering the energy companies stock options in the "Great Microwave Project." Still the question remains, what can we do to alleviate the situation now? It seems to me that increased domestic drilling is a viable option but opposition to that is strong too, so we end up talking in circles and nothing gets done (either in the short term or the long term). Don’t be too sure that electric cars (at least of the plug in variety) are the environmental saviors many promise them to be. Internal combustion engines produce their electricity on the spot, in the car’s engine, by burning gasoline. With a plug in car all you have done is move the site of electricity production (and the pollution) elsewhere – to the electric production plant (which we will need more of if there are more and more electric cars). If those plants are a clean source of energy (i.e. hydro) then you do have a benefit of less pollution, but if those plants are coal or oil burning then there is no benefit of less pollution and perhaps you end up with even more pollution.

Griswold -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 6:39:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" "Pump costs have soared over 40 cents over the past six weeks" "But Nymex gasoline futures have been soaring due to U.S. refinery glitches, declining inventories, and traders betting that demand going into the driving season will be strong enough to support higher prices. Gasoline futures, up more than 20 percent for 2007, rose 0.84 cent to settle at $1.9105 a gallon." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17577255/ I said this before...when oil was at 70 bucks, we saw gas at $2.57 - 3.05....oil is below 60 bucks, gasoline is currently at $2.81 - and $3.26 a gallon in some places. If I recall...Mobil, Chevron among others, explained to us some 10 months back that gasoline prices were a factor relative to oil prices. Oil has dropped. 12 bucks. Now it's "well...it's a factor of the refineries....demand, use...etc." Refineries have run at 84% for the last 7 weeks. Last I checked, we haven't had any hurricanes...and we had one of the lowest temps in the Continental US as to needing heating oil. Sorry...am I missing something?

farglebargle -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 6:40:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Still the question remains, what can we do to alleviate the situation now? Pour a billion dollars into the little aerospace companies that think big. I'm thinking Burt Rutan, etc... Pour five billion dollars. Offer it as a prize for the first company to build a usable ( 3+ flights on the same airframe w/in 8 weeks, say... ) SSTO heavy lifter. Once we got that, it's just a matter of lifting the satellites into orbit. Being able to get ENGINEERS to/from those satellites ( maybe build a real space-station for them to have some R&R... MMM... Orbital Booze and Hookers... Wait, did I say ENGINEERS? Scratch the hookers... ) is key, but we'll have that technology for the first 5 billion dollar investment. Then setup ground stations. Then it doesn't matter how many electric cars you have, b/c electricity is raining from the sky, and we done finally got ourselves a bucket! Short Term? Is five years soon enough for you? We got a 300 Billion Dollar budget. Just keep LockMartBoeingGenDyneGE away.

dcnovice -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 6:45:56 PM)
quote: am I missing something? My economist friends would probably say that you're missing supply and demand curves. Gas costs what it costs because people are willing (perhaps for lack of options) to pay that price.

Griswold -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/15/2007 6:52:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: am I missing something? My economist friends would probably say that you're missing supply and demand curves. Gas costs what it costs because people are willing (perhaps for lack of options) to pay that price. Unfortunately...you are correct.

pahunkboy -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/16/2007 7:55:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Griswold quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: am I missing something? My economist friends would probably say that you're missing supply and demand curves. Gas costs what it costs because people are willing (perhaps for lack of options) to pay that price. Unfortunately...you are correct. well- folks outside the US may color Americans as softies. Our towns are car designed. many sprawal areas- you CAN NOT WALK OR BIKE SAFELY- as you are in harms way should you attempt such. urban planners failed miserably here. next- everything in the US is LEGALISTIC. you cant just phone for an antibiotic- many postal mail boxes get wet in the rain, and in this town the post office is deleting many boxes. therefor- one has to drive to mail a letter!!!! to get a refill on my rx- i will need to drive 52 miles. there is NO BUS. legalistically it is a controlled substance. the law stated- teh med dispensed this way. so here i am 1 person in course of a day. muliply that by 300 million.

Marc2b -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/17/2007 5:28:25 AM)
quote: Pour a billion dollars... etc. Five years for such a massive project seems a little optimistic to me, but then who knows, with the proper incentives just about anything can be accomplished. I’ve long liked the idea of prizes for certain accomplishments (building a heavy lifter) but bear in mind that there are still vested interests that will oppose it. I root for the little guys thinking big (new ideas is one of the benefits of the free market over the centrally planned economy) but the established energy companies need an incentive to get on board rather than oppose. I like the idea of booze and hookers in space although I would prefer pot and some submissive gals from this site. Then one of my greatest fantasies might actually come true (best 1950's movie coming attractions voice here): Slave girls from outer spaaaaaaaaaaaaace! As for electric cars, if we ever actually pull of microwave energy then, yes, electric cars will be doable. But a lot of people want to see electric cars right now, going so far as to advocate the abolition of the internal combustion engine. My point is that these people don’t realize that the only thing that would accomplish is to transfer the point of energy production (and pollution) from one place (the car) to another (the power plant). Another example of how the actual outcome of a policy doesn’t always jive with the desired outcome.

pahunkboy -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/17/2007 5:32:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b Still the question remains, what can we do to alleviate the situation now? Pour a billion dollars into the little aerospace companies that think big. I'm thinking Burt Rutan, etc... Pour five billion dollars. Offer it as a prize for the first company to build a usable ( 3+ flights on the same airframe w/in 8 weeks, say... ) SSTO heavy lifter. Once we got that, it's just a matter of lifting the satellites into orbit. Being able to get ENGINEERS to/from those satellites ( maybe build a real space-station for them to have some R&R... MMM... Orbital Booze and Hookers... Wait, did I say ENGINEERS? Scratch the hookers... ) is key, but we'll have that technology for the first 5 billion dollar investment. Then setup ground stations. Then it doesn't matter how many electric cars you have, b/c electricity is raining from the sky, and we done finally got ourselves a bucket! Short Term? Is five years soon enough for you? We got a 300 Billion Dollar budget. Just keep LockMartBoeingGenDyneGE away. this idea is not far fetched. experiments are going on right now- as to energy intensity beams. at 1st not noteworthy. BUT not the energy has magnified 80x. hence- making so very much more plausable. if i am wrong - i will were the tin beanie hat.

farglebargle -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/17/2007 6:48:33 AM)
All the technology, we have right now. It doesn't require ANY breakthroughs, just a change of our priorities. We HAD the money before wasting it on Iraq. I expect we still HAVE the money, if we cared enough. sigh I'd even deal with it if the mission was given to the Navy. They could pull it off, I would cost trillions, and trillions, but they'd do it. Screw worrying about the Chinese! The Little Green Men are a-coming! We need to stick Marines on Mars.

MasDom -> RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon" (3/18/2007 11:45:46 AM)
Get a diesel already or shut the hell up... Honestly you'd think people would realize how bad this will be as the cold season causes fruit prices to go up, and most agricultural prices period. when you see the cars being liquidated its going to be bad. Sell your stuff and get something possibly stable or deal with this bull... Sorry just pissed were not dealing with this yet. I,ve been promised flying cars that work on hydrogen since I was a child...Wait did they just mean blimps??? I don't want to go to school in a blimp mommy. they always get stuck in the trees when we land.

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