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farglebargle -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 11:51:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle It doesn't count, because he was denied Equal Protection and Due Process. That's how we can be assured that the confession wasn't the product of coercion. I'm sure a lot of people are really proud tonight, but not anyone with any respect for the Rule of Law. Nice going. We have Torture, and Show Trials. I wonder when they'll introduce Prison Industry into the prisons holding illegal immigrants for trial/return? Farglebargle Q: Does this mean that we should attack and take over the governments of every country in the world that doesn't go along with our constitution? I personally think not and hope you don't either. But what concerns me is that this person, was not subject to American Law, but was subject to International Conventions governing civilian combatants and no where that I have read does our constitution apply to them. Do you have a reference that does? The 14th Amendment covers it pretty well. In the Jurisdiction of the US? Then you get due process and equal protection. See the Cuba/America Treaty for the explicit declaration of Gitmo to be US Jurisdiction.

thompsonx -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 12:15:37 PM)
farglebargle: You do reallize that the U.S. occupies gitmo illegally? thompson

ncmaster75 -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 1:08:59 PM)
Just one more scapegoat to add to the list. 911 was created by suits in a boardroom somewhere.

popeye1250 -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 3:08:39 PM)
Rosie O'Dumbo said "So what! This guy isn't the end all and be all of terrorism!" Ah, no-one said he was that I'm aware of. I just hope they get film this time when they make this guy do the rope a dope dance or shoot him in the head. None of that grainy Saddam stuff off of a phone cam.

KenDckey -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 4:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Under the Geneva Convention he isn't a POW. He falls outside all categories. Maybe they should change the convention Lets see...you declare war on terrorism....you capture a terrorist...but he is not a pow. ROFLMAO Please do not waste my time with semantics and obfuscation. - I don't know. That is abundantly clear. thompson At least I read the Geneva Convention. I even imported the appropriate section to one of the threads once. You might try it. It can be enlightening.

KenDckey -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 4:15:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ncmaster75 Just one more scapegoat to add to the list. 911 was created by suits in a boardroom somewhere. Proof?

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 4:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Hey Real where is your proof that it is a ruse? i think the "only" issue here is where is "their" proof it is not a ruse? The burden of proof lies squarely on the shoulders of one of the most notorious administrations for secrecy and lying ever to ru(i)n this country. Second only to clinton, bush senior, wilson, taft, roseveldt, lincoln just to name a few off the top of my head. They work for us! Not the other way around! They have to sell it to us not the other way around. Its easy to see that is a very poorly written script set up to target the flag wavers and those who do not have the time, resources or inclination to investigate any of this beyond listening to little news segments here and there. Welcome to the fruits of "secret" government and "secret" military tribunals, the newest trend in this country since we, (and no one else), have any "rights". (even though i am sure most of you "think" that you do). As you will soon see in the coming years ahead, there will be your proof. Of course if one does not take into consideration that nothing in the government seemed to function properly on that "one" particular day then its easily believable that cave dwellers could be responsible for masterminding an "unimaginable" world war 2 style kamakazi attack. The rest of us however have to wrestle with the issues of how did they manage to get the most elaborate multi billion dollar defense system in the world, the FAA, the Air Force "ALL" to malfunction on that "one" particular day? As far as proof goes, there is no proof of "current" as in hours old events. Oh proof will come in a few years when someone writes a book about it when nothing can be done about it anymore. Meanwhile the country goes down the tubes because no one thinks out of the box any more. As far as what i see? Well without even watching the news i can say something is going down like gw's ratings maybe, or soemthing that might bring public attention or pressure to bear and this is a wonderful diversion to keep our attentions elsewhere and take our eyes off the ball. This strategy has worked for so long i am surprised its not written up as official policy. This confession is as convenient as finding atta's pristine passport in the midst of steel melting searing flames and debris! How fortunate for the us. The fine art of Mass Media Programming.

dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 5:50:39 PM)
This jaded old cynic can't help noticing how conveniently timed this story was. Bush administration gets unpleasant headlines about U.S. attorneys' being purged for political reasons, and -- voila -- a new triumph in the war on terror!

KenDckey -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 6:28:18 PM)
Real One Their proof is the transcript. Yeah it was edited to remove classified information, but that exists still today with infromation coming out from WWII. Nothing new. It was poorly worded - well I would disagree. I think it was exceptionally well written for someone whose native tongue isn't English. Seems to me that in itself would support your position more than anything. So what I guess I am asking, is where is the proof of the ruse - you know, like who wrote it, under whose orders, who got paid off, like that. I just haven't seen any nor have I heard of any from the Oposition leadership. Just acuzations.

KenDckey -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 6:29:19 PM)
LOL DCNovice Yea it is like wag the dog scenario from the Clinton era. LOL

Real0ne -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 7:03:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Real One Their proof is the transcript. Yeah it was edited to remove classified information, but that exists still today with infromation coming out from WWII. Nothing new. It was poorly worded - well I would disagree. I think it was exceptionally well written for someone whose native tongue isn't English. Seems to me that in itself would support your position more than anything. So what I guess I am asking, is where is the proof of the ruse - you know, like who wrote it, under whose orders, who got paid off, like that. I just haven't seen any nor have I heard of any from the Oposition leadership. Just acuzations. you got it "exceptional use of the english language" and the only thing he did not agree to was shooting jfk. This is all fine and dandy if people want to microscope each segment of what goes on around them. the "big" picture never comes clear. In fact it wont even exist. People have been talking about this stuff for years like the last 50 anyway and if you and others have not watched its progression as it comes to fruition as your proof its frankly not surprising that you would ask for proof. i woudl think that all the declassified ops docs that are availiable on the gov operations woudl show that the gov cannot be trust either domestically or abroad on any level. The thing that i find truly shocking is how people will trust a government that has lied to them i could bet more than all the people you have known combined.. LOL That i find totally beyond belief. Its like what more do people need? To be all locked up in prison camps and beaten 1/2 to death before they say wait a minute? Yeh they most certainly could have and most likely did write the whole thing up beat that poor asshole 1/2 to death and promise him 50 virgins if he confesses so confessing is better than heaven LOL Anyway if this had been done in a legitimate court where the man had rights i may be less skeptical, under the present condition of the (in)justice system forget it. Especially a military kangaroo court. Secret trials proof nothing more than a government that is out of control. Classified? When i was in the service shit was only classified for 363 days out of the year until they wanted to play show and tell and the only thing that was required was to remove the encryption boxes so people couldnt steal them. Of course i cannot stress enough that part of that mission was shutting down norad, the faa, the air defense, but like building 7, no one every talks about that. How did a cave man infiltrate our highest levels of security? and who else was all is involved? Answer that and i am all ears and will start to listen, otherwise like rule said its all just for show.

Sinergy -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 7:11:52 PM)
You know, with modern methods of torture it is possible to get pretty much anybody to admit under oath (or not) that night is day, and truly believe it. How long was this guy locked away incommunicado before testifying? This is the primary reason we have habeas corpus. Because people will admit to killing the Easter Bunny after being tortured. I am a bit shocked that people who actually believe him. Sinergy

FirmhandKY -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 7:57:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I think it was exceptionally well written for someone whose native tongue isn't English. Seems to me that in itself would support your position more than anything. So what I guess I am asking, is where is the proof of the ruse - you know, like who wrote it, under whose orders, who got paid off, like that. I just haven't seen any nor have I heard of any from the Oposition leadership. Just acuzations. you got it "exceptional use of the english language" and the only thing he did not agree to was shooting jfk. He was assisted by a translator and a PR - Personal Representative. I can post his verbal statements if you wish. It might remove all doubt. FirmKY

FangsNfeet -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 8:06:14 PM)
How many years did it take for him to crack? If I were to keep a secret this long, I'd ride it out. If I truely had no secret to keep, I'd me throw my hands up "Alright, I'll tell you everything you want to hear and even take the blame for it." I might even make up bull shit on top off puting everyone out on wasting research time. How long can your Will Power hold out in a Quantanamo cell before one decides to talk or make shit up? After all, questioners will never be satisfied with "I don't know."

knight4king -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 8:32:53 PM)
I hear he also confessed to the Lindberg kidnapping , brought down the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs and has recently been directing Al Qieda to vote for the hair boy on Idol....

thompsonx -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 8:38:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: ncmaster75 Just one more scapegoat to add to the list. 911 was created by suits in a boardroom somewhere. Proof? KenDckey: What made building 7 fall down? thompson

UtopianRanger -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 10:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.defenselink.mil/news/transcript_ISN10024.pdf They found the guy that planned 9/11 and various other attacks including an attack on the Pope and President of Pakistan. The link is the unclassified version of the transcript of the tribunal. Yeah Bra....sure.... Just tonight during my drive back from Cali, I heard that he also confessed to both kidnapping the Lindbergh baby and being the mysterious figure on the grassy knoll. - R

Jack45 -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 11:23:18 PM)
Wow, a transcript, who typed it Karl Rove? They have been torturing this guy since 2003. He has confessed to so many things, many bizarre. If they had any person's sons who wouldn't confess to anything your torturers wanted? CIA holds young sons of captured al-Qa'eda chief By Olga Craig Last Updated: 1:26am GMT 09/03/2003 Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.

Sinergy -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 11:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: knight4king and has recently been directing Al Qieda to vote for the hair boy on Idol.... Do these people have no shame? Sinergy

Sinergy -> RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses (3/15/2007 11:28:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: ncmaster75 Just one more scapegoat to add to the list. 911 was created by suits in a boardroom somewhere. Proof? KenDckey: What made building 7 fall down? thompson Gravity? Please dont respond that gravity cannot be reconciled by Quantum Mechanics and general relativity, I am not Einstein. Sinerg

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