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FukinTroll -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:14:57 PM)

Hmmm...I'm feeling a profile update moment. I wonder if there is a salve of each nationality here on CM.




dcnovice -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:15:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
Good idea! I love Chinese food!


Yeah, but it leaves you hungry in a few hours. We will have to invade India too. 


We could do both at the same time. We've got all those extra soldiers just playing with the rats at Walter Reed.




Sinergy -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:18:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I'm not so sure.
 
Have you noticed in the last Olympics, that China is starting to build pretty good swim and dive team? There might be something to that. We should get a resolution passed in the U.N. to prevent this threat to our shore. We may even have to build a few more aircraft carriers.


Are you suggesting we should ask the surrendermonkeys (French) to protect our shores from transatlantic swimming Al Qaeda?

Sinergy




cyberdude611 -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

They will have to dodge the militarily powerful Chinese, swimming over to take the United States down.


According to Team America, World Police, it is not the Chinese, it is the North Koreans.

Sinergy


You have to admit, that was a funny movie.




caitlyn -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:27:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Are you suggesting we should ask the surrendermonkeys (French) to protect our shores from transatlantic swimming Al Qaeda?


The thing is, while it may seem unlikely, you just can't rule it out. There is a chance, no matter how remote, that terrorist could attach a T72 to their back and swim the Atlantic or Pacific ocean.
 
Since CrappyMichael has pointed out that every single fucking tank in the U.S. Army is spent, we would be defenseless.
 
We need a Waterborne Military Defense (WMD) right away, to counter this threat.




Sinergy -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:33:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Are you suggesting we should ask the surrendermonkeys (French) to protect our shores from transatlantic swimming Al Qaeda?


The thing is, while it may seem unlikely, you just can't rule it out. There is a chance, no matter how remote, that terrorist could attach a T72 to their back and swim the Atlantic or Pacific ocean.
 
Since CrappyMichael has pointed out that every single fucking tank in the U.S. Army is spent, we would be defenseless.
 
We need a Waterborne Military Defense (WMD) right away, to counter this threat.


While it is theoretically possible that an Al Qaeda member could swim several thousand miles lugging a 70 ton T-72 tank on their back, I personally can rest easy knowing that Pauly Shore is trained and ready to protect me.

Sinergy




UtopianRanger -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 10:56:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070315/bs_nm/usa_economy_greenspan_dc

Remember ol'e Greenspan saying that Bush's tax cuts were fine and all the other bullshit those lying bastards fed us?

Interest only loans allowed massive inflation of housing prices and that monster is going to come home to roost.  They then kept interest rates low so people could spend their equity and feel like they were doing well despite Bush being the only president in decades to oversee an economy where wages fell in real dollars. 

Republicans cant even run a third world country without turning into a disaster, why on earth people trust them with ours I will never know.


Dude....

Don't you dare talk about the fact that our economy /housing market is being propped-up by bubbles ; it won't be long before they'll be calling you a ''doom and gloomer''.


But I don't blame Bush for everything...... The dark side of the status quo, ala the ''Jones mentality'' has played a huge part in all this. Yanno....everything is ok.....go out and buy a brand new SUV on a seven year contract with a thousand bucks down.


It's all good.



- R
















Marc2b -> RE: Republican greed and the destruction of America (3/15/2007 11:13:42 PM)

My two cents:

Count me amongst those who see the Democratic Party and the Republican Party as two sides of the same coin. They are both corrupt and mainly interested in keeping their party in power even if it is at the expense of what is good for the country. Both sides scream about the other side’s scandals (real and imagined) while rationalizing away their own. Little to nothing gets accomplished and so a confused electorate swings back and forth between the two parties and we go on and on with the same old, same old. Meanwhile the rhetoric, invective, and outright hatred, keep going up to where it is beginning to go off the Richter scale. Sometimes I fear we are headed for a second civil war.

So what do we do about it? While I don’t think we will ever solve all our problems (life and reality just won’t allow for that), I do think we could solve a lot – and bring the heat levels down so that the two sides of the great political divide can get along better. Most people seem to think that the solution is to give more and more power to the federal government so that broad based "solutions" (there are no solutions, only trade offs) can be implemented on a national scale. But concentrating power in the hands of the few has been getting humanity into trouble for thousands of years. What we need to do is adhere once again to the Constitution and devolve power away from the federal government.

In most of our political rhetoric we hear an inordinate amount of talk about the first amendment (not that I’m dismissing the importance of the first amendment) and quite a bit about the second and the sixth. We hear very little about the tenth amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.
 
In other words: if a particular power isn’t specifically granted to the federal government by the Constitution, the federal government doesn’t have that power. So why do we have a federal Department of Education? Nowhere in the Constitution is education even mentioned. Therefore the federal government has no say over the matter. Each state government should have the final say on all education matters within that state. Each state will decide what it’s curriculum will be, what it’s standards will be, whether or not to allow home schooling or vouchers, etc. The majority in each state will decide for themselves what is best. Why should the people of a populous, State like California have a say over the education policies of a less populous State like Kansas?

The federal government has been slowly gathering more and more power and sticking itself into areas it has no business in and forcing both sides of the great political divide to fight for their policies and agenda’s on a national "all or nothing" scale. By actually obeying the Constitution and devolving power away from the federal government, each side of a particular issue gets to implement it policies in some area’s of the nation, but not all.

There is another benefit to be had from all this. Since different States would implement different policies on the same issue it would soon become apparent what worked and what didn’t. If the people of Florida’s education system wasn’t doing very good and they saw that Virginia’s education system was doing very well, the people of Florida can decide to change their policy and emulate Virginia. Devolution of power allows the States to act as testing ground for new ideas.

Of course, for this to work, each side has to accept that it can’t "have it all." Each side will have to be tolerant of the fact that they can’t have their way over the whole country (unless they can convince all fifty States to implement the same policies). I haven’t seen a lot of tolerance from either side. The ultimate source of our problems, remains ourselves.




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