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Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 3:39:23 PM   
myobedience


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Status: offline 		Punishment ~~~~~~ Discipline   ~~~~~ IN YOUR OPINION.
 
What is Punishment?
 
What is Discipline?
 
When do you get punishment?
 
When do you get discipline?
 
 

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 4:26:27 PM   
velvetears


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Status: offline 		Punishment is a penalty that is imposed for wrongdoing or an offense.  It is meant to have the person "pay a price" for what they did wrong so as to (hopefully) change their behavior in the future. They don't enjoy the punishment, hence they won't commit the offense again. 

Discipline is training someone to act in accordance with rules you set forth.  It is instilling a habit or series of activities in someone to get them to improve a skill or behavior. 

Hopefully with good discipline you can avoid punishment

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 4:40:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears
Hopefully with good discipline you can avoid punishment


Well said! I love little quips that explain stuff clearly...can I borrow it?

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 4:59:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears
Hopefully with good discipline you can avoid punishment


Well said! I love little quips that explain stuff clearly...can I borrow it?

Master Fire



Thanks  and absolutely!

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 7:43:37 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Exactly as velvetears states.
Punishment is a direct and hopefully immediate consequence of some wrong doing.
Discipline is the consistent application and the following of rules and regulations, sometimes self-imposed, other times imposed by others, or even society in general.
If we are disciplined, there should be little need for punishment.
 
Edited to add: Therefore, discipline is an ongoing part of daily life.  Punishment is meted out when infractions occur. 

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 3/16/2007 7:45:27 PM >

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 8:41:25 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		Discipline = controlled behavior

Punishment = one method (among many) to control behavior

http://www.collarchat.com/m_611292/mpage_2/key_punishment/tm.htm#611778
Punishment is Deceptive

http://www.collarchat.com/m_597685/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#597689
Talking Vs Corporal Punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_572243/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#572280
Question for female subs on punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_18608/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#18608
Punishment and Discipline

http://www.collarchat.com/m_74162/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#74162
Training?  Punishment?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_84734/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#84734
Punishment vs Play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_146151/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#146151
What is the difference between punishment and discipline?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_374557/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#374557
Testing, being broken, regular punishment, etc, etc....

http://www.collarchat.com/m_523257/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#523257
Discipline & Punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_495126/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#495126
On punishment


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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/16/2007 10:27:08 PM   
hisannabelle


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Status: offline 		i agree wholeheartedly with velvetears' definitions...

that said, we don't practice corporal punishment with the exception of play punishment in our relationship. to be honest, i don't know that he really punishes me at all...letting me know he's disappointed or unhappy about something is generally enough, then he has to stop me from feeling so damn guilty about it that i wallow :P discipline, yes, but not always related to impact play...flogging, whipping, etc. is usually more for pleasure (although i enjoy it in a discipline sense because i like being pushed to take more pain). in our relationship, discipline is often related to learning certain skills or training certain areas of the body, like, for example, training with the butt plug in order to build up to bigger and bigger objects, etc.

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/17/2007 8:58:06 AM   
subsa


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quote:

ORIGINAL: myobedience

Punishment ~~~~~~ Discipline   ~~~~~ IN YOUR OPINION.
 
What is Punishment?
 
What is Discipline?
 
When do you get punishment?
 
When do you get discipline?
 
 


punishment is the consequence of lack of discipline.  lack of discipline= not performing agreed upon actions or acting in a manner we agreed i would not. 
so i get punished when i exhibit bad behavior.  since i enjoy spanking, whipping etc... that is never a punishment for me.  its often my reward for good behavior.  punishment is a withdrawl of His time and attention (for a big offense)or even just His expression of displeasure over something i've said or done(for a small offense).  i beat myself up mentally worse than He ever could. 
i don't get disciplined; i try to build discipline within myself.  trying to find the strength of will to perform my duties during periods of difficulty or to not 'act out' builds discipline within our dynamic.  practicing yoga when i'm really tired builds another kind of discipline.  not eating a pice of chocolate cake everyday is another.   
to put it in pseudo-psychological terms discipline is when the adult within me controls the child within me. 

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/18/2007 8:42:23 AM   
adaddysgirl


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ORIGINAL: subsa


punishment is the consequence of lack of discipline.  lack of discipline= not performing agreed upon actions or acting in a manner we agreed i would not. 

In my former relationships, although we did use the terms interchangeably, i would say that this is basically what the difference was.

so i get punished when i exhibit bad behavior.  since i enjoy spanking, whipping etc... that is never a punishment for me.  its often my reward for good behavior. 

The only difference being for me was that i hated spankings so they were used as the primary means of punishment.
 
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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/18/2007 8:46:37 AM   
Gerrysub


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Status: offline 		A real and general answers I can't give to the OP's question. BDSM is so different - you know. If yu're a realy slave for your Mistress same me, your Mistress can punish you, discipline you etc. whenever she want. For example my Mistress before want (loves) to see a lot of whipmarks if I mad mistakes or not. She was/is a realy sadist. I have to do everything for her, if I like it or not. But this goes into extrem masochismus and is sure not for everybody... belive me.

Gerrysub

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RE: Punishment ~ Discipline - 3/19/2007 5:05:58 AM   
Elorin


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Status: offline 		What is Punishment?
 kneeling on rice. the gag harness. eating a bagel soaked in piss. A consequence of bad behavior, or disobedience.
What is Discipline?
 shaving before I see him, so that the body I present is acceptable to him. kneeling before I get in the bed. An activity that focuses my mind on him, and his control, and my service to him.
When do you get punishment?
 When I flat out disobey a direct order, when I am extremely disrespectful, or when I fail at doing something he has ordered (non intentional) so many times that he feels a punishment might help me refocus and succeed.
When do you get discipline?
Daily, preferably.

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