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FirmhandKY -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:30:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Then let them testify under oath (as if that will make a difference)  for public record.

Co-operate with Congress then.....Daddy Bush did it...Reagun did it....this Bush...nadda


They may testify.  I'd recommend against it, and tell Congress to go pack fudge while they sit waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on the legality of any subpoenas in this case.

They'll end up packing a lot of fudge, I suspect.

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Everyone one knows that "Friends Don't Let Friends Torture Republicans"


The correct saying is "Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democratic."  [:D]

FirmKY




Sweetdarkluv -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:35:55 PM)

My biggest complaint is that the first words out of the President's mouth, when they (Congress) started this crap should've been: "F**k off."

FirmKY

So true. I just wish that president had been ol' Blowjob Billy




farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:36:41 PM)

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Again ... if there is no basis in a crime ... then there is no reason for an "investigation"


Tell that to Irve Libby, I'm sure he'll be comforted.

LYING is a crime. Period. The Administration didn't HAVE TO LIE about the reasons behind their removals.

The Administration CHOSE to lie about the reasons.

And when you LIE to The People, then that's a violation of your Oath to the Constitution.

It's about HONOR and INTEGRITY. Something in short supply in DC on the best of days, but here we are.




FirmhandKY -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:38:07 PM)

Term limits, sweetdark, term limits.

FirmKY




farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:38:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sweetdarkluv

My biggest complaint is that the first words out of the President's mouth, when they (Congress) started this crap should've been: "F**k off."

FirmKY

So true. I just wish that president had been ol' Blowjob Billy


There's still that 18USC371 charge open. That's a pretty big club, but if Bush doesn't play ball, they ALL could be looking at Federal Prison.

Bush looked terrified last night. Maybe someone explained his current legal liability to him.





FirmhandKY -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:43:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Again ... if there is no basis in a crime ... then there is no reason for an "investigation"


Tell that to Irve Libby, I'm sure he'll be comforted.


ahhh ... so ... you admit that the entire "Plame fiasco" was simply a political investigation?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

LYING is a crime. Period. The Administration didn't HAVE TO LIE about the reasons behind their removals.


FB, please, point out to me exactly where "lying" is a crime.  If simply lying was a crime, every politician in Washington should be in jail.

FirmKY




farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:46:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Again ... if there is no basis in a crime ... then there is no reason for an "investigation"


Tell that to Irve Libby, I'm sure he'll be comforted.


ahhh ... so ... you admit that the entire "Plame fisaco" was simply a political investigation?

[/qoute]


No. Only that LYING is a crime. Bush CHOSE to lie about the reasons the USAs were asked. He didn't HAVE TO, he CHOSE TO LIE.

Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

LYING is a crime. Period. The Administration didn't HAVE TO LIE about the reasons behind their removals.


FB, please, point out to me exactly where "lying" is a crime. If simply lying was a crime, every politician in Washington should be in jail.

FirmKY


http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC1001.html

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 47 - FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS

Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.





FirmhandKY -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:50:06 PM)

You need to research a little better, FB.

That reference appears to be false claims in relations to making claims for benefits, or in criminal investigations.

"Lying" per se isn't illegal.

FirmKY




farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:52:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You need to research a little better, FB.

That reference appears to be false claims in relations to making claims for benefits, or in criminal investigations.

"Lying" per se isn't illegal.

FirmKY



Is that what "in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States " means to you?

O-Kay.





luckydog1 -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 12:52:48 PM)

"Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States"   Farg how does a Presidents constitutional powers( you already admitted this to Firm)  fall within "the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the US"?

"FHKY: An Administrations rights to hire or fire US Attorney's is part of the Executive rights given to him by the Constitution.
FB:  Yes. That is true.
FHKY: No justification is required. It's a political post. They can be removed at any time, for any reason.
FB:  Agreed.) 




FirmhandKY -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 3:47:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You need to research a little better, FB.

That reference appears to be false claims in relations to making claims for benefits, or in criminal investigations.

"Lying" per se isn't illegal.

FirmKY



Is that what "in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States " means to you?

O-Kay.


Here is a better source: United States Code

Here is the actual law you are quoting:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 18USC1001]

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
 
PART I--CRIMES
 
CHAPTER 47--FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS
 
Sec. 1001. Statements or entries generally

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully--
        (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
        (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
        (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

    (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
    (c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to--
        (1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
        (2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

A lawyer, you ain't.

FirmKY




subrob1967 -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 4:09:24 PM)

Mommy Mommy, the big bad President fired 8 Lawyers...What can we do? whaaaaaaaa!!!!

SirDiscipliner69,
Would you like some cheese with your whine?

Fargle,
You really need to lay off whatever you're on, lying is a crime?....pathetic.

Slaveluci,
Where in the political appointee book does it say that it's not ok to unappoint someone 1/2 way into your second term? I must have missed that chapter.

Just more smoke and mirrors from our freindly neighborhood whack job Democrats.

I wonder why the same people who cried about GWB going after Iraq because of revenge, aren't crying about the Dem's going after GWB with bullshit "investigations" which, by the way, also smack of revenge by the Democrats.

 




Sinergy -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:10:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
"Lying" per se isn't illegal.

FirmKY



You are exactly correct.

The crime is referred to as "perjury"

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001621----000-.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/perjury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

And for all you lap-dog Clinton haters

http://www.slate.com/id/1002007/

Sinergy

p.s.  Wasnt Slick Willie impeached for the crime of lying to Congress?




farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:24:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You need to research a little better, FB.

That reference appears to be false claims in relations to making claims for benefits, or in criminal investigations.

"Lying" per se isn't illegal.

FirmKY



Is that what "in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States " means to you?

O-Kay.


Here is a better source: United States Code

Here is the actual law you are quoting:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 20, 2004]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between January 20, 2004 and December 23, 2004]
[CITE: 18USC1001]

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 47--FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS

Sec. 1001. Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully--
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to--
(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

A lawyer, you ain't.

FirmKY



Aren't Actions committed under the circumstances (B) Perjury?

'statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.'

Yeah... Anything submitted to the court would have to be signed under penalty of perjury.

(C) applies to the Legislative Branch Matters.

Keep Searching for those cut-outs, though.





farglebargle -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:26:40 PM)


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Fargle,
You really need to lay off whatever you're on, lying is a crime?....pathetic.


You must have been out of town for the Martha Stewart and Irve Libby Verdicts.





dcnovice -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:27:22 PM)

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Wasnt Slick Willie impeached for the crime of lying to Congress?


I thought it was for lying in the Paula Jones case.




mnottertail -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:32:25 PM)

So, it appears that George choking on his pretzel (cause he wasnt shit faced watching that superbowl, going smack smack smack, ok, little miss libraran, whose your daddy?)  is in harms way in the same vein that the big Bopper was in getting his dick sucked.  Impeachable offenses and oh so germain.

Ron

I say, I say I DON'T BELIEVE YA HEArD ME!!!!! it is impeachable
Sen. Foghornleghorn
payback is a bitch.




Sinergy -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:39:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Wasnt Slick Willie impeached for the crime of lying to Congress?


I thought it was for lying in the Paula Jones case.


My bad.

I remember all those Republicans pontificating about how a President should never, under any circumstances, lie to the American people.

The silence from those people now is deafening.

Sinergy




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:41:29 PM)

quote:

What is George Bush hiding??????


let me take a guess...ummm...brains?




mnottertail -> RE: What is George Bush hiding?????? Can you say "Impeach"? (3/21/2007 5:42:05 PM)

no, there is case precedent, it is the slick willy law, it is impeachable, not illegal and not enforceable.

Justice O. Wendie Holmes




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