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Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 6:57:03 PM   
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Hello everybody,

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I am watching Edward Scissorhands, a movie I deeply love, and I had a thought.

At one point in the movie, Winona Ryder asks him to break into her boyfriends house, which results in his being arrested.  When they talk about it later, he points out to Winona that he knew it was "Jim's" house he was breaking in to.

She asked him "Then why did you do it?"

He responds "Because you asked me to."

I imagine it would be a bit banal to ask whether you would do something your Dominant told you to do, but I am more interested on a deeper/shallower level.  Johnny Depp's character, as portrayed, has a very deep understanding of human values and ethics, and yet is willing to put these aside because the one he loves really needs him/her to do so.

Given a hypothetical situation where your Dominant asked you to do something which you felt ethically uncertain about, would you trust this person to not lead you astray? 

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:01:18 PM   
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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:04:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		All I have to go on is my past, but in answer to your question...yes, without thought, or hesitation.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:05:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

All I have to go on is my past, but in answer to your question...yes, without thought, or hesitation.


Speaking for myself, this is one of the reasons I tend to be gun-shy about D/s relationships.  I do not want to be unworthy of her trust in me.

Sinergy

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:10:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say "yes" I would do something that I was unsure of ethically knowing that you would not ask me to do something that would jeopardize my own moral compass. I would trust you. I would ask why, but if you said that I would have to trust you, I would. I do not know how I would have answered this question as little as a month ago,  but now I do.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:12:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

All I have to go on is my past, but in answer to your question...yes, without thought, or hesitation.


Speaking for myself, this is one of the reasons I tend to be gun-shy about D/s relationships.  I do not want to be unworthy of her trust in me.

Sinergy

Well, obviously I can not comment on your feelings towards relationships or your worthiness or lack thereof in them. Just because a person asks another to do something for them ( even if they feel that it is unethical ) does not mean that it will destroy the trust that they have in that person. Sometimes, such things are asked for a very good reason.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:13:11 PM   
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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:15:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Given a hypothetical situation where your Dominant asked you to do something which you felt ethically uncertain about, would you trust this person to not lead you astray? 


Yes.  But that kind of trust developed over time.  And I am always allowed to express my concern over something.  Recently I had to accept some things that went against my principles.  It was difficult, and I expressed that it was difficult, but he had no argument from me about it.

If he was uncertain that he was worthy of my trust, I might not trust him as I do.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:21:13 PM   
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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 7:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Short answer:  Yes. 

Long answer:  We spent a lot of time getting to know each other...and getting a feel for each other's moral compass, making sure they lined up as closely as possible.  If I felt ethically uncertain or uncomfortable about something, chances are He'd feel ethically uncertain or uncomfortable with it, too. 

Because I know He won't be going anywhere I wouldn't want to go, too, I trust Him not to lead me astray.


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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 8:21:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I had reservations about something I would tell him and we would discuss it. Blind obedience isn't my thing. But if it was something that I wasn't sure of what actually happens if he tries to push me through it is that I freeze up. Fight, flight or freeze. I freeze, I can't talk, can't move, just stand there and cry silently. It's happened a couple of times so he doesn't try to push me into doing something I'm obviously uncomfortable with.

But your reference isn't to a morally ambiguous action, it's to an illegal one. And on that I can clearly state that if told me to do something illegal which would risk my safety and leave him without any chance of being equally responsible, then I wouldn't trust him either at the time or afterwards. But he wouldn't do that. He isn't interested in having all the rights and none of the responsibilities. Plus his moral values are as high as mine.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/18/2007 9:00:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Given a hypothetical situation where your Dominant asked you to do something which you felt ethically uncertain about, would you trust this person to not lead you astray? 

Sinergy

Depends on the circumstance.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 9:38:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it was something i felt was  wrong i would ask him we would talk, and since i totally trust him i would do it.  I know he would not  ask me to do anything that would bring any kind of harm to me.  Leagally, mentally , emotionally or physically.

Matt's littleone

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 9:55:15 AM   
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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 10:08:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I asked a submissive that trusted Me to walk across broken jagged glass would I be in the wrong or would she?

Who would have the responsibility?

Who would have the feet that were cut?

Would it not of been better to request a discussion before doing so or would the submissive be accused of not following orders or was she set up to fail?

How about a submissive that claims she can accomplish any task at all so she is given the one of not thinking of a Dominant that she is sessioning with for the weekend duration?

Is that set up for failure or simply a claim by a submissive that was unaware of her possible limits?

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 10:12:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		On the flip side I have had many sub/slaves contact me that have wanted to be pushed to do things that they would feel was unethical or immoral. These I generally tend to put in the "thanks but no thanks (you are mentally unstable)" trash can.

There is a fine line here. I want someone to trust me enough that they would if I asked, but because they know I will choose carefully what I ask of them.  This is something that does not come instantly in any sort of relationship but with time and much communication.


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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 10:18:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel that I ultimately have responsbility for myself and what I do.  Having a dom would not change that for me.  It's highly doubtful that I would do something unethical for a dom.  Disclaimer:  it does depend on the circumstance and exactly what I am asked to do.

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 10:28:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The question said "ethically uncertain" not "unethical". I see a difference between the two. Perhaps I am quibbling over minutia?

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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 10:30:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
The question said "ethically uncertain" not "unethical". I see a difference between the two. Perhaps I am quibbling over minutia?

Something ethically uncertain MAY or MAY NOT be ethical or unethical.  You'd have to decide which it was first.


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RE: Edward Scissorhands - 3/19/2007 11:48:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Argentopal

I wonder how many have actually "been there, done that"; and if their feelings changed after the fact.
MsOpal


Been there, done that, went back and did it again...it changed not one feeling I had for him at all

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