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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 12:43:49 PM   
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I should have expressed more fully what I meant.

By trophy subs I mean those sort of glorious looking creatures whom you see trotted about the clubs, whose every movement and reaction seems to exemplify the meaning and physicality of beauty, no matter how extreme the play... and yet sometimes I get the feeling that it is more about that show and showcase than anything else...


thats what i imagine it to be like *sigh* lol

show and showcase. this makes me think of how D literally throws me around on the dance floor, away-grab-and back to Him. He is obviously saying "look at us" interesting. to bad He followed it up with a skirt-pull-up *squirm*


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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 12:47:56 PM   
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I know there are people who have trophy wives, etc., and no doubt the idea can operate w/people having "trophy submissives". But, as we are operating in the bsdm realm, where bodies are more exoposed, etc., I can understand it if someone wants somebody hot. Objectification in that sense is also a favored bdsm activity of mine, so I am not altogether offended by it. 

If someone has not much of interest to say, if they are a hot body and great face, then maybe they will end up being "used". Maybe they don't care (that term "used" gets tossed around w/affection as often as it doesn't around here, IMO). However, they might indeed mind, and if that kind of objectification hurts them, they might break up w/the person, or argue w/them,(or "just" be hurt.)

As for trophy partners in general....I think it's difficult to sometimes make assumptions about other people's relationships and why they happen. The following story is a good example of this, IMO.

I live in the same town as world billionaire-stock-picker Warren Buffet. When he and his first wife, Suzie, got a divorce after many years and 3 children, it wasn't because he was bedding any hot young chicks,(he definitely isn't, IMO, that kind of guy, and much of the time, although he is nice, Mr. Buffett appears to me to be almost on another planet, and is always sort of mentally "off somewhere else", apparently thinking about other things. I grew up across the street from him, I've been in his house several times, and was friends in high school w/his son, Peter. It's a nice neighborhood - but not the absolute nicest in town, and he could live anywhere. The fact is, he isn't all that "materialistic".

But - a lot of people where I live thought this meant he had a bevy of hot women hidden somewhere; they thought he'd been catting around for years, and the home town gossip really sizzled for awhile. Based on - absolutely nothing, apparently (according to his son, who is the person I believed).

But - about 2 years after his divorce, he moved this woman named Astrid into his house who was a few years younger than himself, and also blonde. I suppose that could qualify as a "trophy" (Astrid is attractive, but she is a far cry from Heidi Klum, the super-model, IMO). Within weeks, a tabloid newspaper (and then a few more of them) had dubbed her his "trophy live-in paramour" and said she had "caused" the break-up of he and his first wife. It was completely not true.

Astrid was in fact a friend of the first Mrs. Buffett, and she didn't want Warren to be lonely, so she suggested they meet, and they did, and apparently they hit it off quite well (they are now married. it sounds weird of the first Mrs. Buffett to have introduced them, perhaps, but she was a really nice woman, and had a heart of gold. She was the one who initiated their divorce, and she didn't want him to be lonely).

So - my conclusion is that what people read and the conclusions to which they jump, based on what little they often know about the realtionships of others, is that it can often be a far cry from "the truth". And I think people's conception of what a trophy wife can be, can (sometimes) be based (not always, but many times) on speculation, rather than anything resembling verifiable fact.  

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/21/2007 1:21:53 PM >


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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 2:08:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lolajolly

I should have expressed more fully what I meant.

By trophy subs I mean those sort of glorious looking creatures whom you see trotted about the clubs, whose every movement and reaction seems to exemplify the meaning and physicality of beauty, no matter how extreme the play... and yet sometimes I get the feeling that it is more about that show and showcase than anything else...

I am sure my views are colored by my own envy, to some degree.

I also think that there are some escoteric beauties which any person can achieve, but physical beauty is not something every person can achieve simply by trying harder.


Ofcourse it is - it is only limited by the thought that it can't be acheived

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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 3:42:36 PM   
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I really do think there are probably as many folks here, who really look at a total person, when seeking a potential partner, vs. just their outside, and may well place a higher premium on a person's personality and basic compatibility w/themselves, vs. looks. I mean, it's hard to have a deeper relationship w/the equivalent of a mannequin, isn't it? Good luck to you. I really believe you are going to find someone who wants you as much as you want them. Good luck.

- Susan  

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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 3:54:01 PM   
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Specifically the energy flow between us and using that power to achieve certain goals. 
Didn't mean to derail...


plz excuse for a min, but I for one would love a thread on energy exchange!

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ORIGINAL: Lolajolly

By trophy subs I mean those sort of glorious looking creatures whom you see trotted about the clubs, whose every movement and reaction seems to exemplify the meaning and physicality of beauty, no matter how extreme the play... and yet sometimes I get the feeling that it is more about that show and showcase than anything else...

I am sure my views are colored by my own envy, to some degree.


Lolajolly, have you bought a car lately?  Anything that is seen as a possession anymore is judged by it's beauty.  Society in general wants newer, faster eye candy over reliablity and service until the maintence and insurance gets too much to handle.  Everybody wants their turn at either being or owning eye candy, some return to over all comfort eventually.
I may be a sports car, but I'm vintage now!  he heeee




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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 4:16:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

BDSM Trophies = scars from scenes IMO
Trophy wives = a woman who's more valued for her outside than inside IMO
Trophy sub = a Dom who's more interested in what others think he has vs him worrying about what he has IMO.

I hope to never be a trophy, I'd rather be considered the prize.
suzanne



Bravo suzanne!!!!  i could not agree more.  All those categories of "trophies" all depend on what an outsider's view is and how they see you.  To me, that is irrelevant.  Master and i have had this type of discussion so many times.  i am very new to this lifestyle and admit i came in with some misconceptions and preconceived notions that were way off base.  i thought a sub or slave had to look, dress or be a certain way to be "right" or "acceptable".  i had all kinds of bullshit ideas of what made the "subbiest" sub or "slaviest" slave....lol.  Master, having had lots of experience, proceeded to set me straight about this and now i realize that what others think about His slave means less than nothing.  i'm HIS prize and couldn't care less about being seen as a trophy by others.  Great reply..........slave luci

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RE: Trophies - 3/21/2007 5:28:43 PM   
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quote:

I hope to never be a trophy, I'd rather be considered the prize.
suzanne


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The fact is that I'm perfectly happy being a trophy- however I also know I'm a lot more than "just" that.



I love the idea of being a trophy slave.  A beautiful reminder of an accomplishment, working hard giving much effort to a D/s relationship.  My actions, behavior and a pleasing appearance as he deems what is pleasing.... all a reflection of Him.
 
I love the idea of being a prize as well...but to me, the prize is the relationship and I am the visual trophy, a reminder of the win.
 
I agree with LA..I know I am more than "just that".  In addition, my Master wouldn't even get into the game if I wasn't more than "just that."...
 
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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 7:16:45 AM   
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I want to be a trophy dominant!

In all seriousness though beyond the traditional negative connotation the phrase has if you consider it an award for actions done exceptionally well then I think we should all strive to be trophy whatever we are.

In as much as I would want to be proud of my SO I would also want them to be proud of me, of belonging to me. If that makes either one of us a trophy in some sense then I am all about it.

If you use it in the negative context we have come accustomed to thinking of it, then no, I don't want a relationship like that at all. It is shallow and bound to be short term. Of course I am attracted to physical beauty, who isn't, but if there is nothing to back it up....as Ron White says "you can't fix stupid".


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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 7:19:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I want to be a trophy dominant!

In all seriousness though beyond the traditional negative connotation the phrase has if you consider it an award for actions done exceptionally well then I think we should all strive to be trophy whatever we are.

In as much as I would want to be proud of my SO I would also want them to be proud of me, of belonging to me. If that makes either one of us a trophy in some sense then I am all about it.

If you use it in the negative context we have come accustomed to thinking of it, then no, I don't want a relationship like that at all. It is shallow and bound to be short term. Of course I am attracted to physical beauty, who isn't, but if there is nothing to back it up....as Ron White says "you can't fix stupid".


i def view my Master as a Trophy Master. to me, He is the best of many facets, i am proud of Him, even more proud to be His.

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 7:36:58 AM   
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I still see trophy as something that's given to the winner of a contest.
My submission is not about winning a contest, having a Master that I can be owned by & trust is not a contest IMO either.
Contest to me seems to depict some form of game to me & to me it's not a game thus no trophy for finding what works for me.
suzanne

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 7:41:48 AM   
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but i DID win, and so did He


out of all the fish in the sea, He chose me & i chose Him. He won my affection by being the sweetest man possible, and earned my submission by winning my heart.


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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 7:43:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

Why do you say you will never be one?
 
Is our definition of them bad or good? Is it envy or are they less worthy than the "non-trophies ? Why do we limit our potential and judge those that seek theirs?
i personally believe there is not any woman on here that could not be a trophy if she wanted to - we are only limited by our thoughts, perceptions, and desire to do what it takes~ 
 


(Applauding)...Well Said!..

I also enjoyed reading the Ponyseekers perspective on this subject...

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 I enjoy doing it and I think she takes great pride in it.  I think there is nothing wrong with showing off a good woman and the more people that druel over her the better in my opinion. 


I do believe it's all about pride on both sides of the slash...D/s

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 8:04:14 AM   
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I love the idea of being a trophy slave.  A beautiful reminder of an accomplishment, working hard giving much effort to a D/s relationship.  My actions, behavior and a pleasing appearance as he deems what is pleasing.... all a reflection of Him.
 
I love the idea of being a prize as well...but to me, the prize is the relationship and I am the visual trophy, a reminder of the win.
 
I agree with LA..I know I am more than "just that".  In addition, my Master wouldn't even get into the game if I wasn't more than "just that."...
 
Go For The Gold!



 
cs,
i really enjoy your posts and your philosophy and attitude!
 
I agree with the positive views of trophy and i think this is why:  For me, when outside beauty (and that differs with each beholder) is a reflection of inner beauty, it is a trophy.
For years i envied and dislike women i considered "throphies" instead of realising i could be that as well. It's all in the mindset. There was nothing keeping me from eating right, exercising, being healthy, taking care in my personal grooming, and developing a philosophy and spirituality that would  shine thru my physical self. In both vanilla and bdsm lifestyles, there is a need by all to fill some sort of fantasy to help us with the mundane. i want to be someone's fantasy and if considered a trophy - i would be honored. i know the value of myself~
 
i don't want a Dominant that is "satisfied" with me...or one that is "satisfied" with himself for that matter...satisfaction breeds complacency in my opinion and stops growth. When i see a picture or meet in person a Dom that does not care for the outside/physical part of himself - i question whether he can take care of me. This may seem shallow to those that seperate inner from outer - i however see the outer package as a direct and extremely important represenatation of the inside.
 
Real beauty to me is truly an evolving inner/outer process. For me, my sexuality and spirituality are braided together and it gives me incredible desire to create an outer shell that reflects this...
 
Ofcourse, just my opinion~
 
 

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 8:09:31 AM   
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Why do you say you will never be one?
 
Is our definition of them bad or good? Is it envy or are they less worthy than the "non-trophies ? Why do we limit our potential and judge those that seek theirs?
i personally believe there is not any woman on here that could not be a trophy if she wanted to - we are only limited by our thoughts, perceptions, and desire to do what it takes~ 
 




Being a trophy slave? Hell, I'm in... bring on the "polish"! Heheh ;)

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 8:23:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader


Why do you say you will never be one?
 
Is our definition of them bad or good? Is it envy or are they less worthy than the "non-trophies ? Why do we limit our potential and judge those that seek theirs?
i personally believe there is not any woman on here that could not be a trophy if she wanted to - we are only limited by our thoughts, perceptions, and desire to do what it takes~ 
 




Being a trophy slave? Hell, I'm in... bring on the "polish"! Heheh ;)


LOL!! i have to say that with such a beautiful name as "StellaByStarlight" you would makes an awesome trophy

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 8:37:48 AM   
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I think of a trophy as the girl that everyone else was trying to get, but one person got her. It is about the chase to get her as much as showing off the "prize". A beautiful female is often sought after, therefore there is competition for her, hence the word trophy.

When I was younger I used to be called Barbie, my husband would constantly tell people behind my back he married Barbie, and I am sure some people thought me a trophy. Perhaps I was.. shrugs. I am much more than an empty headed doll, but I wouldn't mind role playing one now and again

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 9:03:48 AM   
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Aww.. thank you, Dawntreader, that is so sweet.. your username ain't no slouch either, yanno. =)

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 9:09:27 AM   
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I know the term "trophy" attached to any sort of noun (wife, sub, boyfriend, etc.) generally has a negative connotation but it seems to me that given wiitwd, and how we consider people "property" pretty often anyway, that being someone's trophy isn't always a bad thing. If I were to own a very beautiful boy or girl I would want to show him or her off to the world. Though, my standards of beauty are not generally in line with the norms of society, but still. I wouldn't own someone for the mere fact that he or she were pretty, but if I happened to own someone who was, isn't it my right as owner to be proud of them and the fact that I have such a beautiful person in my posession? We do it with our cars, our pets, our houses...we show off anything we own that brings us pride. What's so different?

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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 9:31:49 AM   
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Do not worry so much about being a trophy ......... for such a thing is merely looked at, glorified, and than simply passed by for the next best trophy, so to speak ........... there will always be another who is younger, and more eye catching ......... nevertheless, if You seek to be the prize, than attempt to be the sheen that irradiates off the coins of the treasure, causing the most important "One" (Your Dom/me) to shed a tear from the overflow of pride for ALL that You are ...........

Is better said by Gibran:
"..... Where shall You seek beauty, and how shall You find her unless she herself be Your way and Your guide? And how shall You speak of her except she be the weaver of Your speech? ................... "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in the mirror. But YOU are eternity and YOU are the mirror.



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RE: Trophies - 3/22/2007 10:51:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

I know the term "trophy" attached to any sort of noun (wife, sub, boyfriend, etc.) generally has a negative connotation but it seems to me that given wiitwd, and how we consider people "property" pretty often anyway, that being someone's trophy isn't always a bad thing.


A great perspective DominaSmartass....

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cs,
i really enjoy your posts and your philosophy and attitude!


And thank you dawntreader.....I like your style too! You go girl...three snaps up!
 
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Being a trophy slave? Hell, I'm in... bring on the "polish"! Heheh ;)


And stella.....you are just stellar!  What else can I say?

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