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MsParados -> Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 3:41:03 PM)

Something just crossed my mind.... What are the possiblities that the Federal Reserves' hesitation to raise the interest rate because it might draw attention to the resources we are spending for these wars and occupations?

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pahunkboy -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 4:38:45 PM)

im not sure- i thot i was getting 5.375% 30 yr fixed on my mortgage....unfortuantely- it will be 5.5%




seeksfemslave -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 4:44:39 PM)

People who sell money are the only bastards that can arrange a price and then come back next year and say they want more for the same transaction !
And its legal !!!!




Griswold -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 5:27:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsParados

Something just crossed my mind.... What are the possiblities that the Federal Reserves' hesitation to raise the interest rate because it might draw attention to the resources we are spending for these wars and occupations?

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Changing (or not changing) the federal funds rate would draw attention to the resources we're spending in/on Iraq exactly as much as the color that General Motors chooses for its two most popular cars for the 2008 model year would shed light on the VD rate among 15 year old girls in Canada in 1973.




pahunkboy -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 5:41:28 PM)

foreclosures have gone wild in CA




MsParados -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 5:44:44 PM)

I don't know, they could be trying to paint a picture of fiscal stability to create a feeling of well being with the consumer. it's an interesting theory i'm reading into.......




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/21/2007 8:40:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsParados
I don't know, they could be trying to paint a picture of fiscal stability to create a feeling of well being with the consumer. it's an interesting theory i'm reading into.......
I don't think your theory is entirely off, but I don't know enough about money management and the control of it to say.  
I read MA is looking at high foreclosures too...  I wouln't be at all surprised given the way average folk were buy houses priced for the millionnaire.    M




subfever -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/22/2007 12:16:47 AM)

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What are the possiblities that the Federal Reserves' hesitation to raise the interest rate because it might draw attention to the resources we are spending for these wars and occupations?


Somewhere between slim and none.




Real0ne -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/22/2007 12:37:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

People who sell money are the only bastards that can arrange a price and then come back next year and say they want more for the same transaction !
And its legal !!!!


they dont sell money they sell a worthless peice of paper as money




Griswold -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/22/2007 3:04:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsParados

I don't know, they could be trying to paint a picture of fiscal stability to create a feeling of well being with the consumer. it's an interesting theory i'm reading into.......


It's understandable that some may believe that....money, economics and fiscal health is a common coffee table topic, and one that is often misunderstood...but, my dear...if anyone is reading into any public declaration by any agency that the American situation is in any way fiscally stable...those people should not be allowed to balance a checkbook.

The (stated) purpose of the federal reserve is to manage the flow of capital within and without our financial system.  It is to ensure that there are enough dollars to capitalize our assets, which include both savings and investment.  Their purpose (the Federal Reserve) is to make sure that the amount of actual printed dollars equal not only the growth in GDP (Gross Domestic Product...all the things that we as Americans produce in a 12 month period), but as well, the growth in population, as well as known inflation.

A (very) simplified example:  If population growth is 2%, GDP is 3.5% and inflation is 2.5%, money supply (the printing of new paper money) needs to grow by 8% to keep everything at existing levels.

If they (the Federal Reserve) want inflation to grow only by 1%, they adjust the money supply (by raising the interest rate until growth in the money supply falls) by only 6.5%. 

This will have the result of making you feel poorer (because it's harder for you to obtain dollars) but it really doesn't change the facts, as your assets aren't rising in value as fast (less inflation), and you have fewer dollars to chase those same assets, and in fact in many cases (unless you purchase "hard assets" such as real estate) you're actually poorer by virtue.

Conversely, if they want inflation to grow (because "deflation"...assets growing less valuable is also bad for the economy, but for very different economic reasons), they lower the interest rate (putting more money into the economy because it's now cheaper to obtain those dollar assets), you feel richer, because you have access to more dollars, but because inflation is rising faster, your assets (except for those that purchase hard assets) are growing less valuable each day that you own them.

It's no different than if you eat salads and excercise, you'll stay (more) fit.  If you eat ice cream and stay on the couch, you'll be less so.

The people that sell ice cream aren't trying to tell you there's a fat person inside...they're trying to convince you to buy ice cream.

The Federal Reserve doesn't care what you believe about the economy...they care only if the inflation rate is low or high, the money supply is increasing or falling, or that our capital reserves in this and other countries is increasing or falling, and that you "purchase" more (or fewer) dollars by borrowing more (or less) money to achieve the stated goals.




Real0ne -> RE: Fed intrest rate? (3/28/2007 5:41:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold
It's understandable that some may believe that....money, economics and fiscal health is a common coffee table topic, and one that is often misunderstood...but, my dear...if anyone is reading into any public declaration by any agency that the American situation is in any way fiscally stable...those people should not be allowed to balance a checkbook. 

Agreed!
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ORIGINAL: Griswold
The (stated) purpose of the federal reserve is to manage the flow of capital within and without our financial system.  It is to ensure that there are enough dollars to capitalize our assets, which include both savings and investment.  Their purpose (the Federal Reserve) is to make sure that the amount of actual printed dollars equal not only the growth in GDP (Gross Domestic Product...all the things that we as Americans produce in a 12 month period), but as well, the growth in population, as well as known inflation.

Yes that is the ""stated"" purpose.  That translates into our paying interest on someone writing a number in a book.

i am sure we would all like to own a business where we did not have to answer to congress or anyone else and could loan money to people simply by entering a number in a book, even though i have no physical money to loan anyone and then get paid interest on trillions of dollars that do not even exist?

Thats issue 1.

Issue 2 is that of course means that we are now using this whole country as collateral on debt therefore should this country at any time be considered bankrupt its your property going bye bye.

People do not realize that even though your mortage is paid in full they can still take it away should this occur to pay the debt under the "color of law".


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ORIGINAL: Griswold
The Federal Reserve doesn't care what you believe about the economy...they care only if the inflation rate is low or high, the money supply is increasing or falling, or that our capital reserves in this and other countries is increasing or falling, and that you "purchase" more (or fewer) dollars by borrowing more (or less) money to achieve the stated goals.


For those who do not realize what he just said here....    the fed has the power to make or bankrupt this country by this power alone and the fed is NOT part of the government it is a corporation and we are in effect being controlled by a corporation.

Is it any surprise bush said that the constitution is nothing more than a peice of paper?  That ashcroft said he considers a terrorist anyone who insists on "phantoms of liberty"?  Probale cause is no longer needed?

Who benefits from this?  The American People?  Corporations?




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