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darkinshadows -> RE: Manners (4/10/2005 2:41:15 PM)

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Over the past few years I have given wedding gifts to several couples and have not received a thank you note from them. I have also given gifts to graduates, both high school and college, and not received a thank you note. It seems that which was considered good manners a few years ago is no longer considered necessary and appropriate


Indeed, manners are important , but they are not everything...

If I send out a gift, I do so, not to gain a response or a thankyou, but to know that what I may have sent, will be of some use. That is enough for me to know that I did all I can.

Manners are a door held open... a please, or a simple thank you.
But they mean nothing and are empty, if they are expected.

Peace and Love




junecleaver -> RE: Manners (4/10/2005 10:41:51 PM)

I think some great Dom don't realize how lame they come off as. Maybe you are one of them. I, for one, am wary of anyone who puts Master in their s/n. It's not like I put "dominate me!" in mine. It's just one of my personal preferences in s/ns I guess.

"Will also get involved in an Online Relationship, with those to far away to meet." I think that would turn people who are specifically looking for RT off.

Not to mention that as someone who is 18, I wouldn't respond to someone over 30. That is my preference of course--just not into the daddy dom thing.




lil1v -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 12:02:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: junecleaver
Not to mention that as someone who is 18, I wouldn't respond to someone over 30. That is my preference of course--just not into the daddy dom thing.



Ok.. am I off base or is it everyone else... but to me daddydom doesn't have anything to do with age difference or age play.




sweetpettjenny -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 4:03:26 AM)

I don't feel because we don't respond we are players or wannabees. That i think is offbase. some of us may have bigger fish to fry in our real lives , or children to raise. We aren't being rude , just busy.




junecleaver -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 12:01:50 PM)

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Ok.. am I off base or is it everyone else... but to me daddydom doesn't have anything to do with age difference or age play.


Not to high jack the thread...but I was probably generalizing a bit much. At least in my limited experience MOST of the relationships that had that dynamic were between people with a substantial age gap. That's not to say it doesn't happen otherwise.




BobcatsLilMinx -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 2:45:28 PM)

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We aren't being rude , just busy.


This is so true - I get very tired of logging to offline messages asking where I am, and the oh-so-clever remarks when I do log into Yahoo/ MSN that run along the lines of "So you are still alive then?"

Hahaha, such a wit, Sir! A half-wit, thats for certain.

I don't know anybody who lives in front of their computer - and yet before I was collared I had doms appearing out of nowhere, ordering me to watch their profile and let them now when it was approved (umm... no thanks), and from one person in particular, receiving up to 5 mails a day asking why hadn't I replied to his first mails yet? Had he offended me? Was I still talking to him??

I think maybe the subs should start a similar thread in the Ask a Master section - if you're going to write to us, how about respecting us as people, and showing us a little courtesy? *giggles*

Respectfully,
Minx




lil1v -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 4:16:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BobcatsLilMinx

if you're going to write to us, how about respecting us as people, and showing us a little courtesy? *giggles*



We are people? *gasp* jk

I think we'd have to educate some of them on the fact that we are in fact.. PEOPLE.

I keep reading profiles of Doms and thinking to myself... who in their right mind would respond to that? They could find exactly what they're looking for in a farm animal. Though I'd really feel sorry for that animal.

And thats just not ONE Dom's profile.. I'd say a good 50% of the profiles I see are that way. They leave no room for our humanity and some even go so far as to insist we're not human.

Maybe its we that are mistaken... maybe we're not really people.




BobcatsLilMinx -> RE: Manners (4/11/2005 4:38:45 PM)

*ponders that possibility...*

Well.... if I'm not a person.... do you think God would let me be a cat instead? Being human and a non-person doesn't really appeal...




ggonknees -> RE: Manners (4/16/2005 4:57:47 AM)

I started off replying and met a couple of very nice people. But my problem is that I cannot access this site at work (due to the nature of my work: working with children and young people) this sort of stuff is blocked. And I wouldn't anyway at work! I don't have internet access at home, so the few times i do get to reply, i am innundated. I've now taken off my profile for the time being until I am able to be online more often and to be able to give Doms/Masters a reply.
gg




FuriousAngel -> RE: Manners (4/16/2005 7:34:00 AM)

Not that I feel I owe anyone an explanation regarding answering mail, I'll still offer my thoughts! LOL! My profile very clearly states my desire to be alone in my journey at this time. People still choose to send me mail. This in itself is fine and as always in cyber, I take it in stride. I delete 90% of it, but if someone appeared to be sincere, I'd respond in kind.

However, even this began to be a task after a month or two as despite the sincerity, I found myself being constantly questioned and grew tired of writing the same responses over and over. I also noticed a pattern that after a few e-mail exchanges, those extending 'friendship' would disappear.

It appears (not saying it is fact; only how it appears) that though many claim curiousity, friendship, etc. ... that once they realize I won't be swayed from my path, they quietly retract their previous testaments of not wanting anything and disappear.

I've also had instances where after a few exchanges when I don't move to messanger, etc. I find myself being attacked subtly to being viciously berated for my presence here, having a photo on display, etc.

After encountering all of the above a few times I've opted to stop replying to all mail for the time being. I took the liberty of adding a disclaimer in my profile that I won't respond in my profile, so any resentment is their burden to carry, not mine.

I don't whine about the mail, and overall, my time is too valuable to waste on these idle e-mail exchanges that result in disappearance or me defending myself in some manner. It is taking my focus away from more important matters!




jana -> RE: Manners (4/18/2005 7:56:40 PM)

interested in others thoughts on this..........................i met a Dom a couple of months ago and W/we talked frequently at first. Last month, She had mentioned collaring me just for a party this month on two different occasions. When I brought up the party in an email, she didn't respond to that part of the email. I was asking because the party was out of town, and needed to make travel arrangements. I talked with Her by phone the week before, and She had said that She wasn't sure if She would make it to the party. I never heard back from Her, so i made my own arrangements and went. When i got to the party, She was there with another women. When She didn't respond to my email, and said what She did on the phone, i had a feeling this was why, so i was not shocked. My feelings were hurt, not because She showed up with another women. It was because i felt She was making plans with her the last couple of weeks, and didn't want to tell me. I feel that was inconsiderate. How would Y/ya'll feel?????????????




lil1v -> RE: Manners (4/18/2005 11:01:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jana

interested in others thoughts on this..........................i met a Dom a couple of months ago and W/we talked frequently at first. Last month, She had mentioned collaring me just for a party this month on two different occasions. When I brought up the party in an email, she didn't respond to that part of the email. I was asking because the party was out of town, and needed to make travel arrangements. I talked with Her by phone the week before, and She had said that She wasn't sure if She would make it to the party. I never heard back from Her, so i made my own arrangements and went. When i got to the party, She was there with another women. When She didn't respond to my email, and said what She did on the phone, i had a feeling this was why, so i was not shocked. My feelings were hurt, not because She showed up with another women. It was because i felt She was making plans with her the last couple of weeks, and didn't want to tell me. I feel that was inconsiderate. How would Y/ya'll feel?????????????


Well first I'd be pissed. Then I'd write her off as a faker and liar. Lies are not attractive. She's not a loss. You're much better off finding out now what she's like.

Pat yourself on the back for escaping that. Treat yourself to something special.




harmony3709 -> RE: Manners (4/18/2005 11:16:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FuriousAngel

I also noticed a pattern that after a few e-mail exchanges, those extending 'friendship' would disappear.

It appears (not saying it is fact; only how it appears) that though many claim curiousity, friendship, etc. ... that once they realize I won't be swayed from my path, they quietly retract their previous testaments of not wanting anything and disappear.




Ain't that the truth!!! I have to admit that I agree to friendship and then begin taking bets on how long that "friendship" will last. That one used to really get to me, and I think it's unfortunate that I am a major skeptic on offers of friendship.

Be well (and be friends! lol)

harmony





slaveanwyl -> RE: Manners (4/19/2005 10:41:48 AM)

MasterFred Sir

to be honest Sir slave get a lot of messages and to reply to all the one line emails we recieve from Doms would take a lot of time i always replied if the Dom was polite enough to introduce himself and tell me what he sought but lots of one word replies were not helpful so i would delete them.

i see it like this Sir if he is really interested in you he would take time to compose a decent message ..

with respect
slave anwyl





resademilo -> RE: Manners (4/19/2005 12:37:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterFred77

Now if a Wannabee Dom or Player Dom is disrespectful to you I believe you have a right to ignore them. This is just a question/oppinion.




It's many different things that play into why a person or people don't respond to messages. For example, i've written in my journal an explanation as to why I don't respond to one worders nor one liners. I put a lot of effort in constructing a profile for people to read. I put additional effort in people to read my journal. If a person can only come up with "Hi", "you're sexy", "you need to talk to me." and a host of other limited efforts, then that tells me:

1. they didn't get the gist that if i spent all that time writing a profile i want to know in a first message someone has bothered to read it and has some logical reason (aside from a hard on) that they are writing.

2. if there isn't a profile there and they write, that's a given they are going on looks alone and i don't care about how hot a guy thinks i am. That's a given if he contacts me he's go some interest in me. Tell me something i don't know.

Now that doesn't say what you have written is what these examples do. I get a lot of people who don't respond to my messages.

I find it interesting how many profiles of Doms i read they are looking to make friends and when you write about being friends and the interests you have they write back saying "oh we aren't compatible" when did being friends need to be compatible. But it happens.

The bottomline is if we put an effort into writing to someone, and expressing some reasons why we are interested in them and who we are as a person, and they still don't respond. Then my view is that saves us trouble and wasted time.

So like you've mentioned there's some who respond to all messages, some who have their reasons for responding to only certain ones, and some who just aren't going to respond cause they don't want to.

Go with the ones who do respond and forget the rest. =)




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Manners (4/19/2005 1:27:49 PM)

And so many people don't seem to realize that a lack of response IS a response.




resademilo -> RE: Manners (4/19/2005 3:39:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

And so many people don't seem to realize that a lack of response IS a response.


Exactly. It means they aren't interested. And sadly some people have ran into that case where they have tried to respond and say nicely they aren't interested but they have had one too many people get pissed from being rejected (even if politely) and just make the person miserable.

honestly i find it less likely to offend me if they don't respond then for them to point out why they aren't interested.

And say you have an incident like i had with a recent dom. we saw each other for months, but while he said i made him happy and he enjoyed being with me, he didn't feel he could be dom to me. And when asked why? It was because i was taller then him. Silly as it sounds that was the deal breaker for him.

Maybe things would have been simple and less drawn out if he had just stuck to not responding to women who were too tall since in the long run he felt inferior to them and couldn't say no.

I think that's a good example of why it's best for some people not to respond. =)




jana -> RE: Manners (4/19/2005 6:05:44 PM)

Thanks for the validation that my feelings and thoughts were not off base. You are so right that I am much better off finding out now! Everyone, including me, deserve to be treated better than that. Thanks again. *S*




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