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Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 12:58:27 PM   
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15 British sailors seized by Iran




POSTED: 1:55 p.m. EDT, March 23, 2007

 
LONDON, England (CNN) -- An Iranian naval patrol seized 15 British marines and sailors who had boarded a vessel suspected of smuggling cars off the coast of Iraq, military officials said.

The British government immediately demanded the safe return of its troops and summoned Tehran's London ambassador to explain the incident.
Foreign Minister Margaret Beckett said she was "extremely disturbed" by the capture of the 15 personnel.

The Royal Marines and ordinary naval officers were believed to have been apprehended by up to six ships from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy who claimed they had violated Iranian waters. (Watch how British naval personnel were seized in Persian Gulf )
British naval officials said the sailors, using small boarding craft, had completed an inspection of a merchant vessel in Iraqi waters when the Iranians arrived.

Commodore Nick Lambert, commander of the HMS Cornwall -- the frigate from which the British patrol had been deployed -- said the incident did not involve fighting or use of weapons.

"We've been assured from the scant communications that we've had from the Iranians at the tactical level that the 15 people are safely in their hands," he said.

The British defense ministry said that it was pursuing the incident "at the highest level."

The Associated Press, quoting a U.S. Navy spokesman, said the Iranian Revolutionary Guards had radioed a British warship to say no harm had come to the Britons, adding that they were seized in Iranian waters.

Lambert said the British sailors had been on a "normal, routine boarding" of a vessel that had aroused suspicions as it navigated the Shatt al-Arab, a disputed waterway that marks the border between Iraq and Iran on the shores of the Persian Gulf. (Location map)
British military patrols have been given authority to board vessels in Iraqi waters under United Nations mandate and with the permission of the government in Baghdad.

He said the captain of the merchant vessel had been cleared to proceed and the two British inflatable patrol boats were readying for departure when they were surrounded by the Iranian navy and taken into Iranian waters.

Lambert said there is "absolutely no doubt in my mind" that the marines were in Iraqi waters. But, he said, "The extent and the definition of territorial waters in this part of the world is very complicated... We may well find, and I hope we find, that this is a simple misunderstanding at a tactical level," he said.

"There hopefully has been a mistake that's been made, and we'll see early clarification and early release of my people."
Lambert added that the marines were doing critical work, "protecting the oil platforms to ensure the economic future of Iraq."
He described the Iranian navy as "a multi-headed organization" that generally stays within its territory doing its business, "and we stay inside Iraqi territory doing our business."

British summoned the Iranian ambassador to London to explain his country's actions. "The meeting was brisk but cordial," the UK Foreign Office said.

Foreign Minister Beckett added: "We have sought a full explanation of what happened and left the Iranian authorities in no doubt that we expect the full return of our personnel and equipment."

In Tehran -- which is currently marking the Iranian new year -- CNN's Aneesh Raman said there had been only passing mention of the incident on Iranian TV. Calls to officials had not been answered.

It was not immediately clear where in Iran the British personnel were taken.

There was a previous similar incident in 2004, when Iran stopped three British boats and seized eight sailors and six marines.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry said at the time the three boats had crossed into Iran's territorial waters. The detained servicemen appeared on Iranian television blindfolded. They were released after Iran said it determined they had mistakenly crossed into Iran's waters. (Full story).

Mike Critchley, former British Navy officer and publisher of Warship World magazine, told CNN that the latest situation seemed to be a repeat of the earlier incident.

"Who knows, in a hot and hostile situation like the Middle East where things change on a daily basis, what the outcome will be," he said. (Full story) "You can be absolutely sure that enormous pressure will be brought to bare on the Iranians to release these men who were operating under a United Nations Security Council Resolution as they are, week in and week out. What the outcome of that diplomatic pressure is no one knows at this stage of course."

Britain, the United States' main ally in Iraq, has a large military presence in southern Iraq, based out of the Shatt al-Arab port of Basra. A senior British Army officer on Friday accused Iranian agents of paying Iraqi militia to carry out attacks on coalition forces around Basra.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/23/iran.uk/index.html
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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:14:50 PM   
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Just so you all know...this is illegal under international law. If Iran did take these sailors hostage in Iraqi or international waters...it is an offical act of war.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:18:12 PM   
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quote:

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Just so you all know...this is illegal under international law. If Iran did take these sailors hostage in Iraqi or international waters...it is an offical act of war.



You'll be joining up in the morning, then? For God, King and Country. Bollocks.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:21:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Just so you all know...this is illegal under international law. If Iran did take these sailors hostage in Iraqi or international waters...it is an offical act of war.



You'll be joining up in the morning, then? For God, King and Country. Bollocks.


Im just telling you what it is. Iran is taking steps to escalate the situation. And according to the law, what they are doing is illegal.

There is going to be a war with Iran sooner or later. It's basically inevitable. If Britain and the US don't strike first, Iran will...or maybe even Israel. But the only certainty is that the status quo cannot remain. That government in Iran is going to end up starting a war.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:30:07 PM   
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This is a bad situation, I am glad that the sailors were released.
Any word on if they were harmed or mistreated?

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:34:13 PM   
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No, they are exersizing  sovereignty in what is believed to be their water.

You would have to be as ignorant as George Bush to declare that an act of war.

Course we don't do the world court to settle these matters or the UN anyway.

Fuck 'em!!!!! Let's nuke those terrorists (how the hell can they assert sovereignty the goddam insurgents?)

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 1:58:51 PM   
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Amazing isnt it? Just a mere 100 years ago, these people thought muskets were pretty cool whilst we were ruling the waves with the largest navy in the world such that not even the Germans or French (or US for that matter) would have dared to as much as look at one our personnel let alone take them prisoner outside of war.

Now we find ourselves humiliated by a bunch of religious nutters who despite their apparent view that the middle ages is where its at, have access to a navy sufficient that they can challenge us even in our depleted state. If Nelson could see this now....

Several lessons come to mind;
1) If we werent there, we wouldnt have this situation
2) We no longer have the wherewithal to be playing empire and shouldnt be
3) We should move away from oil PDQ so these people can have their wish of living in the 12th century when they cant sell their oil any more
4) Iranian Revolutionary Guards yearn for martyrdom; who are we to stand in their way since we are there to help them out with their wish?

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:18:34 PM   
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This is outrageous, simply can not be tolerated. We should attack Iran, plainly President Bush should get behind the Brits, Blair, and attack Iran. The Free people's of the planet should teach them a lesson, attack, attack. We must look to the future, to our salvation, protect our children from the aggressor, protect our homeland; the barrel of a machine gun spitting flame, is the only thing these ragheads understand; Freedom cannot be trampled on by a bunch of camel jockeys. It's time for Bush to kick ass. If it's a war they want, then by GOD we'll give em a war.

This is an afront to all freedom loving people, insult upon insult is heaped upon us, from these Godless heathens. They know fully well, Britania Rules the Seas.....we have tee shirts that says that; for Christ's sake.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:29:06 PM   
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THey were released!!!!!!  THat is no excuse, these ragtops need to be taught a lesson, a few nukes up their rag asses will teach them real good. Releasing the sailors is not an excuse. Next, they'll be murdering our children in their beds while they slumber. We have got to put an end to this terrorism, this tryany; they cannot be just forgiven, no, No, NO. We must act Now, rid ourselves of this Red menace. If it's blood they want, then by God, it's blood we'll give them. We must spare not one bullet, to protect our children, a massive assault on their beach head, a few smart bombs, then they will know we will not, NOT sit by and watch our wives raped, our children molested, and killed, no, a thousand times no. War is our only option, and we must excerise every option to maintain peace. We must act quickly, decisively, smash the Red menace before it can commit other atrocies.

Are you with me, brothers and sisters, will you join the cry of freedom?

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:31:23 PM   
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ragtops?? OMG we have cars kidnapping sailors now?!?!?!?!?!

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:31:44 PM   
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This is a British matter, ferryman.  What action the UK takes is
up to that nation.  My first concern is for the welfare of the
sailors.
 
Or were you being sarcastic?  Not sure of your intent.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:40:01 PM   
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We no longer have the wherewithal to be playing empire and shouldnt be



I dunno.....it must be some sort of post-imperial malaise where our government and their supporters still think we're the kiddies....

Is there another nation on this planet that can rival Britain for destruction and division (in the last 800 years)? ain't it about time we all accepted that we're only a small island with nothing more to offer than casual violence, binge drinking and disappointment?



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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:45:04 PM   
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No, No, No, it is not a UK problem, it concerns every freedom loving nation, next they will be off the shores of New Jersey, right there on our own USof A. They must be stopped now, before they murder anyone else, before they make of us slaves, raping our women, our wives, our mothers. They must be annilated, they are without God, they are uncivilized heathen, whose only reson for living is to kill every white person on the earth. This is not just the UK's problem, it is everyones problen and threat, how will we respond to that threat, shall we sit by while the murders continue, will they hang more of our priests, our teachers, our artists. No, No Madam, I say we act now, attack them before it goes any further.

If you are not with me on this, then I can only conclude....you are against me.

I only want peace, not a war, I want our children to be safe in their own beds, for us to enjoy all those freedoms we have so valiently scacrifice for; that is all I'm saying. If you are not with me on this, then you must be against me.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:46:56 PM   
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NG - I think its time for us to realise that we're not a worldwide imperial power any more and to stop acting as if we are by hanging on the coat tails of our American friends. Its 2007 and the world, especially the world close to home has changed immeasurably - we ought to be leading Europe now, where we can be effective, rather than pretending we're something we were but arent any more. We achieved a lot in our 300 year imperial adventure, and we did a lot of bad things too of course, but its over.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:47:31 PM   
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Rule Brittania Brittania ru.....l...es  ...mayday mayday  wos' that. gurgle gurgle splish splosh wer'e sinkin fast.....  the waters up to me waiststeady lads lets all salute together as we sink slowly down...down down. do.........w......n
My God where's the BBC when you want them they'd know what to do or even Collar Me's tame British  financial expert, he knows how to spend a penny.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:49:08 PM   
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Ferryman - rousing stuff to be sure, but youre sounding depressingly like one G W Bush and look where he's got us to

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:50:03 PM   
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Yes, ragtops, if these cars want a war, then by GOD, we'll give em a war too. I see no reason to sit by idling, while these cars take over, dismantlement is what is needed, a good kicking of the tires.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 2:58:05 PM   
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Rule Brittania Brittania ru.....l...es  ...mayday mayday  wos' that. gurgle gurgle splish splosh wer'e sinkin fast.....  the waters up to me waiststeady lads lets all salute together as we sink slowly down...down down. do.........w......n
My God where's the BBC when you want them they'd know what to do or even Collar Me's tame British  financial expert, he knows how to spend a penny.

Nice, seeks.

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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 3:06:40 PM   
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Well yes, just take a really good look at our president. In the face of overwhelming odds, he was brave enough to go against world opinion, and attack a nation bent on ruling the world, bent on destroying freedom where ever the flag of freedom flys. He did not stand by and just let a Godless dictator destroy what we have fought so hard to keep and perserve...our freedom. Our president acted to protect every citizen, man, woman and child from being butchered in their beds at night while they slept. Bush acted, decisively, to stop this terrorist before he could no further harm the innocent, and you Brits supported his decision, did you not. You knew that the hand writing was on the wall, and action must be taken; at least your T. Blair did.

But you offer up opposition to freedom, you, would have us just sit on our hands, waiting to be slaughtered.  Waiting for our children to have their heads wacked off, oh yes, you would have us just sit by, while these godless terrorist murder, loot, pilage our land, rape our families, and rape our land of it natural resources.

Stand with me LadyEllen, repent your evil ways, join with the godly, and fight the good fight. Do not give way to Satan, repent now, before you are consummed by hellsfire and brimstone; as will all the ungodly.

Will you join with me, sister?


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RE: Iran siezes 15 British sailors - 3/23/2007 3:13:29 PM   
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Inshallah, Ferryman!

Bugger, think I just blew my cover

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