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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:46:32 PM

azzmaster

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brainwashing brainwashing... in other cultures women do NOT like being in poly marriages they r trained to accept it... and i do make women accept that i will not be monogamous but i don't have so much disrepect for women as to force them to say they like it. i am not 2 fond of my current supervisor... i m polite to him but it would really frost me if i had to act like i just loved him being my supervisor. i m just about honesty and fairness actually. of course i would like 20 or more slaves. its every mans fantasy but to in a sense make the woman say she likes it? nah... only way she would is if she was bi and my dick didn't do it for her she needed a lil pussy 2. then that is fair. as 2 y i post this is this... i know alot of people think the way i do but they r 2 fraid 2 express themself... so if they see my post they will know its all right to be real...like me :)

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:47:24 PM

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i was leafing thru some profiles and as always surprised to see how many subs are advertising 4 other slaves or subs to join their master... pimpin for their master... it reminds me alot of pimps who get their top woman to recruit other potential hookers... well its JUST like that... i let women know i m not monagamous and they will either deal with that or not be with me... but somehow to me it seems lowdown to mindfuck ur sub so much she is out recruiting for u... i can find my own chix, thanks, LOL... oh yeah... people will talk about the subtle beauty of poly relationships... but u will never convince me any woman who really loves her man wants to share him. nope... azzmaster knows women. i might get em to just understand thats the deal but i won't manipulate them to say they like it

Any woman who loves her man wants to see him happy. And if some other girl can enhance his life further, and his current submissive is accepting of that, how does that indicate lack of love? Also in alot of these cases where a Master has his girl out looking, they are looking for another who can enhance both their lives and maybe become a threesome.

Or maybe a submissive is just out working hard for her Master to try to find him what he wants. Some submissives see that as a form of devotion or service.

I wouldnt mind sharing a man at all. In fact, I prefer to not be his only focus and I'd love nothing more than to someday belong to someone who would let me watch him use another female while I watch. It would be a turn on for me.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:47:39 PM

bearincuffs

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The point is azz, the majority of subs already know beforehand they are agreeable to a poly relationship when they are acquired by a master. So in no way can this be considerd a mindfuck since all are aware.
It seems to me that when a master asks/orders their sub to search for another sub, it's for whatever reason which suits them and them only. I can't see how this can be considered "pimping." Not every master is into building their own harem or stable of subs. If this is manipulation then it's also a consensual manipulation, in my opinion.

Poly isn't for everyone and neither is open relationships or monogamy. To each their own and unless one has walked in another's shoes, then one is better off to live and let live.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:48:01 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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If this is brainwashing...please may I have some more?

I don't know what would have brainwashed me by the time I was 5 to imagine having lots of women and men in loving relationships around me...but if Azz says so, then it must be so.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:52:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

brainwashing brainwashing... in other cultures women do NOT like being in poly marriages they r trained to accept it... and i do make women accept that i will not be monogamous but i don't have so much disrepect for women as to force them to say they like it. i am not 2 fond of my current supervisor... i m polite to him but it would really frost me if i had to act like i just loved him being my supervisor. i m just about honesty and fairness actually. of course i would like 20 or more slaves. its every mans fantasy but to in a sense make the woman say she likes it? nah... only way she would is if she was bi and my dick didn't do it for her she needed a lil pussy 2. then that is fair. as 2 y i post this is this... i know alot of people think the way i do but they r 2 fraid 2 express themself... so if they see my post they will know its all right to be real...like me :)

Honestly, I can't believe this. I had more respect for you then this and that is hard to believe.

You asked us a question. We answered it. We continue to answer it and you refuse to believe us. Either you don't care what we say and are only looking for confirmation of your own belief or you are doing another "I don't get enough attention in the real world, somebody pay attention to me here! I swear my dick is huge and I'm not a loser!"

Either stop asking the question and realize that you are wrong or stop asking the question and continue in your happy delusions. Either way, respect us enough to stop asking the question like we are children who are suddenly going to change their mind to make you happy.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 9:54:22 PM

hisannabelle

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

If this is brainwashing...please may I have some more?

I don't know what would have brainwashed me by the time I was 5 to imagine having lots of women and men in loving relationships around me...but if Azz says so, then it must be so.

amen yet again.

azz, there are plenty of cultures in which women were trained to accept polygamy as a way of life. there are also plenty of cultures in which women were trained to accept it and loved it anyway. the idea that ALL women in ALL polygamous cultures MUST have been monogamy-wired and MUST have hated it is ridiculous to me - it also is demeaning to those cultures and to those women, in my view.

there are plenty of women who have the choice and choose that in this culture, so what does that tell you? eventually you will have to get it through your head that not every woman in the world is staunchly monogamous, and being polyamorous doesn't mean we love our men any less. (it may mean we're less jealous where they're concerned, but not always.) i mean, do you always assume your submissive(s) will hate the lifestyle you are living, and if so, why subject them to that?

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:06:20 PM

bearincuffs

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quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

brainwashing brainwashing... in other cultures women do NOT like being in poly marriages they r trained to accept it... and i do make women accept that i will not be monogamous but i don't have so much disrepect for women as to force them to say they like it. i am not 2 fond of my current supervisor... i m polite to him but it would really frost me if i had to act like i just loved him being my supervisor. i m just about honesty and fairness actually. of course i would like 20 or more slaves. its every mans fantasy but to in a sense make the woman say she likes it? nah... only way she would is if she was bi and my dick didn't do it for her she needed a lil pussy 2. then that is fair. as 2 y i post this is this... i know alot of people think the way i do but they r 2 fraid 2 express themself... so if they see my post they will know its all right to be real...like me :)

I have a question, are you absolutely sure it is every man's fantasy to have 20 or more slaves?

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:07:43 PM

hisannabelle

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good point.

He doesn't really care for all that. too much work. :P

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:12:37 PM

bearincuffs

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Thanks

I had to call him on that since not everyone can be lumped under a few catagories!

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:12:39 PM

AquaticSub

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bearincuffs

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

brainwashing brainwashing... in other cultures women do NOT like being in poly marriages they r trained to accept it... and i do make women accept that i will not be monogamous but i don't have so much disrepect for women as to force them to say they like it. i am not 2 fond of my current supervisor... i m polite to him but it would really frost me if i had to act like i just loved him being my supervisor. i m just about honesty and fairness actually. of course i would like 20 or more slaves. its every mans fantasy but to in a sense make the woman say she likes it? nah... only way she would is if she was bi and my dick didn't do it for her she needed a lil pussy 2. then that is fair. as 2 y i post this is this... i know alot of people think the way i do but they r 2 fraid 2 express themself... so if they see my post they will know its all right to be real...like me :)

I have a question, are you absolutely sure it is every man's fantasy to have 20 or more slaves?

It's definately not. Valyraen doesn't even want one slave. He only wants a Kitten, and only one at that.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:14:24 PM

azzmaster

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bear... everyman no, LOL... but alot... i should have qualified it more... sorry

aqua... u NEVER had any respect for me and thats ur loss... and it strikes me that u must b a pretty manipulative individual if u see hidden agendas everywhere... but then it does strike me odd that a woman posts threads about her wanting a breast reduction but on her profile pic i can see about 15 pounds of tit...which is the standard way of women getting attention drawn to their tits... and pardon me but i don't think i have referred to Thors massive size( b4 now, lol) on this thread. i feel i m standing up for subs who r being manipulated... like i say i m a fair person and alot more honest than 99% of the people on here who r more worried about sounding good than bein real

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:15:14 PM

bearincuffs

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I agree and I know I definitely do not want a slave myself. For some reason I can't picture a slave having slaves lol

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:18:53 PM

hisannabelle

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i've had respect for you; i still think you're being unreasonable by assuming that every female must be predisposed to monogamy and anyone who's not must be being brainwashed, pimped out, etc.

aquatic has already posted in the very same thread you mentioned about why her picture shows what it does. that said, one of my pictures accentuates my breasts (and i had a different, more recent one up that actually SHOWED them) - doesn't mean i enjoy being sexually harrassed on a daily basis while fully clothed, nor does it mean that if i could pay for it i wouldn't get a breast reduction.

i don't think you're being fair. i think you're generalizing and insulting people who are genuinely committed and interested in polyamory by assuming that all women are predisposed to monogamy. i mean, out of all the submissives and slaves on here "pimping out" for their dominants, you are telling me you do not believe at least a small fraction of them are doing it sincerely and not because they were manipulated? that to me is unrealistic.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:20:27 PM

AquaticSub

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quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

bear... everyman no, LOL... but alot... i should have qualified it more... sorry

aqua... u NEVER had any respect for me and thats ur loss... and it strikes me that u must b a pretty manipulative individual if u see hidden agendas everywhere... but then it does strike me odd that a woman posts threads about her wanting a breast reduction but on her profile pic i can see about 15 pounds of tit...which is the standard way of women getting attention drawn to their tits... and pardon me but i don't think i have referred to Thors massive size( b4 now, lol) on this thread. i feel i m standing up for subs who r being manipulated... like i say i m a fair person and alot more honest than 99% of the people on here who r more worried about sounding good than bein real

1) I have had some some respect you. When you aren't talking about Thor you generally give good advice and I have said that before.

2) You ask a question and don't believe us. So you post it again. Why? Are you hoping for different answers? I'm really curious about that. And then you call it brain-washing, insulting every sub and dominant who follow this practice.

3) As I stated in the thread (if you care to read the entire thing) the dress in my picture is costume that I wore to a BDSM event where I often go in only pasties and a thong. Modesty wasn't a high concern. My dominant and I chose this picture because it's the only nice we have of us together. And, like I said in the thread, I want the reduction for medical reasons. I'm not ashamed of them, I enjoy them. They are just being a damned nuisance and getting in the way of my life.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:22:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

i feel i m standing up for subs who r being manipulated...

Now would be a good time for Touchthesky, thaiimeuppp, and upsurd1 to rally to your support.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:23:24 PM

juliaoceania

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3) As I stated in the thread (if you care to read the entire thing) the dress in my picture is costume that I wore to a BDSM event where I often go in only pasties and a thong. Modesty wasn't a high concern. My dominant and I chose this picture because it's the only nice we have of us together. And, like I said in the thread, I want the reduction for medical reasons. I'm not ashamed of them, I enjoy them. They are just being a damned nuisance and getting in the way of my life.

I do not think you should have to defend your photo selection. For some women breast reduction is not about appearance, but it is a health issue due to back problems.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:24:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

i feel i m standing up for subs who r being manipulated...

Now would be a good time for Touchthesky, thaiimeuppp, and upsurd1 to rally to your support.

*cracks up* I missed that segement. I mean, it couldn't possibly just be that different people do and enjoy different things becasuse they are *Gasp* different?

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:25:50 PM

hisannabelle

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

3) As I stated in the thread (if you care to read the entire thing) the dress in my picture is costume that I wore to a BDSM event where I often go in only pasties and a thong. Modesty wasn't a high concern. My dominant and I chose this picture because it's the only nice we have of us together. And, like I said in the thread, I want the reduction for medical reasons. I'm not ashamed of them, I enjoy them. They are just being a damned nuisance and getting in the way of my life.

I do not think you should have to defend your photo selection. For some women breast reduction is not about appearance, but it is a health issue due to back problems.

that is my personal reason for wanting one. i like my breasts (although as i mentioned i don't really care for the sexual harrassment i get even when they're fully covered and not purposefully on display at all), but my back is terrible to begin with, and was before i had any breasts to speak of, and they only make it worse.

thanks for posting this. it always bothers me when people challenge others' photo selections, presence of photos, or lack thereof like that's a good basis on which to judge someone. people post the photos they do (or don't post photos) for all kinds of reasons.

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:25:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

3) As I stated in the thread (if you care to read the entire thing) the dress in my picture is costume that I wore to a BDSM event where I often go in only pasties and a thong. Modesty wasn't a high concern. My dominant and I chose this picture because it's the only nice we have of us together. And, like I said in the thread, I want the reduction for medical reasons. I'm not ashamed of them, I enjoy them. They are just being a damned nuisance and getting in the way of my life.

I do not think you should have to defend your photo selection. For some women breast reduction is not about appearance, but it is a health issue due to back problems.

Which is exactly why I'm doing it! I can deal with the negative attention (why do men think large breasts = slut? Is it wishful thinking?) but I can't deal with the constant back pain!

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RE: all these subs conned into looking 4 other subs - 3/23/2007 10:31:38 PM

juliaoceania

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hisannabelle and aquatic, I have a fairly large breast size. I have never been tempted to go the reduction route, but as far as attention because of breast size I have often noted that smaller chested women can wear a tanktop or whatever and no one thinks they look "vulgar", but chesty women get treated like dirt for the same fashion choices... it never made rational sense to me... I wear what I want to wear, but there was a time I was told to change out of a tanktop dress I got at Vicky's Secret because Daddy thought it might be inappropriate for a family restaurant

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