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abnormalme -> Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 7:33:08 AM)

This has probably been asked before but.....

I'm wondering if anyone has any information on the Spirituality of our Life Style of BDSM.  This could include any religious aspects.  I'm looking not only for members imput and if there's any written words on the Spirituality and Religious aspects of our Life Style.

Thanks

Master George
The_boy_Tamer

 
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ExSteelAgain -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 7:39:52 AM)

I'm a bibliophile.




hisannabelle -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 7:49:14 AM)

many posters will tell you that they do not feel that bdsm has a whole lot to do with their spirituality. for me, it does. however, for a lot of people, bdsm is not necessarily spiritual and is fairly separate from their religious beliefs.

that said, there have been umpteen threads lately on bdsm and spirituality - just running a search on "spirituality" will turn up many of them. (or you can wait for la...i was going to post them, but i didn't want to steal her job.)

and i'm a bibliophile, too! :)




michaels4evr -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 7:51:51 AM)

Butchmann Academy, founded by Master Steve Sampson, offers workshops geared towards those interested in the spirituality aspects of Leather and BDSM

http://www.arizonapowerexchange.org/academy/index.htm

I know a few people who have attended several functions over the years, and they have all returned changed for the better so they report. I can tell you that my own experience with breathplay at the hands (or forearm!) of Master Steve Sampson in 2001 at Thunder in the Mountains, was indeed a spiritual experience!

-michael's




FukinTroll -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 7:58:32 AM)

Yin & Yang
Dom/me  & sub/slave
Mogo’ga’doodio & VangurdoodleVangoodershcmit & magradoodle




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 8:09:40 AM)

Bdsm can be very spiritually and have some very enlightening moments
but its not part of my religious life...One can find spirituality in a rock ,it where you look and what you are looking for I suppose.I am not a bible thumper but do believe in a higher power looking over us...as always just the views of this ol" MASTER..bounty




juliaoceania -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 8:12:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Yin & Yang
Dom/me  & sub/slave
Mogo’ga’doodio & VangurdoodleVangoodershcmit & magradoodle


I think that this is the spiritual part of it to me too, the expression of balance by bringing to sides together that make the whole.




SirKinkster -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 8:18:26 AM)

I feel that we are balanced... so that said we are intune with god of our understanding




RedheadGirlNY -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 8:45:53 AM)

Does screaming "Oh, G-d!, Oh, G-d!, Oh, G-d!" count as spirituality?

Jokes aside, the depth of a connection that takes ones breath away has always struck me as spiritual.  The interconnectedness of a great match is that thing that gives me hope.  Having had it, I know it's possible. 

From hope, all good things flow.




dommalemn -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 9:08:51 AM)

It all depends on what religon rhat one is looking from.
The bible points in many parts to a D/s based relationship. There are others like wicca that states that you can do anything that dose not harm others. and thereare reiligons inbetween that have many different beliefs. Then there are what some (so labled vananlla in most BDSM groups) that believe that there is no conection to there god and any  so clamed BDSM activities. Then there are others religions that believe that that the falower is the center of the univers and that they dictate what is right and wrong.




sublizzie -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 9:15:02 AM)

One's spirituality and sexuality tend to be direct conduits to the core of who a person is, at least for me. So they can easily intertwine and affect each other. I don't know of a lot of writing that has been done on this particular topic, though I would be interested in knowing about it. I've found some things on-line, but nothing by way of books, etc.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 9:30:11 AM)

You'll get a handful of books going to Amazon and searching "BDSM Spirituality"
http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0259104-1570327?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bdsm+spirituality&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

One book that doesn't pop up is Dark Moon Rising
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Moon-Rising-Pagan-Ordeal/dp/1847288928/ref=sr_1_1/104-0259104-1570327?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174840107&sr=8-1

If you search google for BDSM Spirituality, you'll get hits. There's quite a bit in writing online.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BDSM+spirituality&btnG=Google+Search

And, I HIGHLY recommend the Butchmann's Experience mentioned before. I've been several times.

Master Fire






myobedience -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 10:37:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: abnormalme

This has probably been asked before but.....

I'm wondering if anyone has any information on the Spirituality of our Life Style of BDSM.  This could include any religious aspects.  I'm looking not only for members imput and if there's any written words on the Spirituality and Religious aspects of our Life Style.

Thanks

Master George
The_boy_Tamer

 
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Christian Kink connection
Ds,DD, fetish-kink-BDSM-Spanking-personals-dating

Ask those folk Mr George...or join them and ask away.
They have all the answers. (sarcasm)





MistressDoMe -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 10:46:21 AM)

This lifestyle is a very spirtual experience for me.
It helps me express and experience many of my core desires.
It is so much more spiritual than a vanilla relationship, for me.




velvetears -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 10:48:43 AM)

Here is an article i found interesting,i had it bookmarked:

Masochism as a Spiritual Path
By Dorothy C. Hayden, CSW
It has only been in the last hundred years that masochism has been seen as a perversion. When the nineteenth-century psychiatrist Krafft-Ebing placed the term masochism under the rubric "General Pathology" in his famous book "Psychopathia Sexualis", masochism began to get bad press. A few decades later, Freud wrote about masochism as a function of infantile sexuality, incomplete development, stunted growth, and childish irresponsibility. Since then, masochism has been irrevocably allocated to the ghetto of "perversion" and the clinical community has viewed it as a pathological aberration that must be cured.
In the thousands of years before that, however, a masochistic-spiritual connection prevailed throughout most of civilization. Whereas psychology considered masochism as a disease, pre-nineteenth century religion regarded it as a cure. The ancients were in touch with the spiritual, physical and emotional value of masochism. For them, it was an essential part of reality; a combination of the soul in a tortured state, rapturous delight, exquisite pain and unbearable passion that brought them closer to experiencing union with something greater than their individual egos.
In the Western religious tradition, the desire to be beaten and whipped reflected the desire for "penance" which often involved humiliation, shame, pain, worship and submission. In monasteries and churches, bowed heads, bent knees, folded hands, covered heads and full-body prostration reflected the basic masochistic posture. The writers of the New Testament made frequent mention of flagellation and physical pain. The entire "passion play" of Christ, a narrative that has been embedded in our collective psyches for thousands of years, involves bondage, flagellation and crucifixion as part of being subjected to the will of a higher power and the subsequent resurrection to a transcendent consciousness. The Psalmists were in the practice of lashing themselves every day. It was part of the Jewish tradition, 500 years after Christ; to lash one another with scourges after they had finished their prayers and confessed their sins.
Flagellation in monasteries and convents were the order of the day. Saints such as St. William, St. Rudolph and St. Dominic would routinely order their disciples to lash them on bare backs. From flagellating themselves, priests began to flagellate their penitents as part of their penance. It came to be regarded as a necessary act of submission to God. Some holy men maintained that whipping had the power to rescue souls from hell. They believed that humiliation and physical pain provided a way in which one could become fully human.
All of the early Christian orders used flagellation as part of their spiritual discipline. St. Theresa, founder of the Carmelites, used severe flagellation as part of her daily practice. Through the birch and the scourge, she entered into states of ecstatic mysticism. The Carmelite nun, Caterina of Cardona, continuously wore iron chains which cut into her flash. She flogged herself with chains and hooks as often as possible and would sometimes flagellate herself for two or three hours at a time. It was said that through these practices, she was subject to mystical ecstasies and visions of heavenly grace. Similar stories abound among the Franciscans, the Dominicans and the Jesuits. Apparently a heavy dose of masochism was an essential part of Christian monastic life.
In the early eleventh century, monastic hermits in Italy took up the practice of self-flagellation and fled the monasteries to take to the public streets and churches. Called the sect of the Flagellants, and organized by St. Anthony, these monks would work themselves up to frenzied desire and could reach consummation only in torn flesh and self-degradation. The Flagellants marched from one town to the next in procession, picking up new penitents as they passed through. Sometimes numbering in the tens of thousands, they would march to a church, form a circle in front of it, and perform a highly ritualized penitential ceremony. Stripped to the waist, the penitents would chant hymns and prostrate themselves in contrition. The ritual culminated in severe flagellation of all the participants, sometimes lasting for hours. In the end, these gaunt figures, faces pressed to the earth in shame and rapture, their backs beaten to raw meat, their whips dyed blood red, were lifted into ecstasy. It seemed to work a spiritual transformation in those who participated.
Western culture does not have an exclusive hold on the use of subjugation and pain as part of spiritual discipline. Zen Buddhist monasteries are known for the master's use of the rod on disciples and for the Zen "slap" which is said to awaken a person to a higher level of consciousness. Zen students often sit crossed-legged on a cushion for 14 hours a day, seven days a week, submitting themselves to the physical agony of staying completely still in the face of unrelenting pain for long periods of time. Hindu disciples subjugate their wills to the will of the Guru; Tibetan Buddhists unquestionably follow the will of their Lama. An early Tibetan saint, Milarapa, was forced by his prospective teacher to undergo hard, painful and arduous physical labor without questioning the master's will before being accepted as a student.
If, in fact, the history of civilization is filled with stories of a masochistic/spiritual connection, how is it that the masochistic attitude is connected to spiritual transformation? What exactly has been the appeal of masochistic submission to spiritual personages throughout the ages?
One possible answer is that modern society has been heavily influenced by the Horatio Alger "rugged individualism" mentality. The goals of contemporary psychotherapy have been aimed at building strong, coping, rational, problem-solving egos. Take responsibility, Take control. Assert yourself. But at what cost? Building a strong ego is only one side of the coin. To experience the fullness of human experience, we need passivity and receptivity as well as assertion. We need a sense of mystical wonder as well as rational problem solving. We need to be in touch with what the psychoanalyst Carl Jung called "the shadow" -- the weak, limited, degraded, sinful side of ourselves as well as the strong, loving, compassionate, competent side. We need to move out from under the onus of our egocentric way of viewing life; to abdicate control as well as to take it. Masochistic submission, in centering on lack, inadequacy and weakness, puts us in touch with the entirety of our humanity. Full humanity requires surrender to the down side of life as well as the upside. Religious penitents knew of the soul's need for suffering. They knew that it keeps us from having hubris, or the pride that keeps us in the limited perspective of having too much faith in our competence and abilities. The Christian and Eastern mystics knew that. "Humiliation is the way to humility and without humility, nothing is pleasing to God," says St. Francis of Assissi.
A scene strips the ego of its defenses, ambitions, self-consciousness and successes. The ego become subservient to the master, the dominant, the soul, or God. Whether we call it submission to the dominant or to the will of God, it nevertheless remains submission - one of the hallmarks of the masochistic posture. The masochistic components -- the longing to serve, to submit, to abandon oneself sexually, emotionally, and physically makes one a slave either to a man, a woman or to God. Submission to that passion is divine degradation.
Another similarity between masochism and mystical ecstasy is that both are motivated by the desire for oblivion and liberation; for getting rid of the burden of self with all its conflicts, burdens and limitations. In former, less secular times, this might be called a striving for mystical ecstasy in which the individual is so taken out of himself that his individual identity is extinguished in sublime union with something higher.
In submission, one is taken out of one's personal limitations and transcends social sanctions while at the same time being reduced, weakened and humiliated. With noses pressed against the ever-present reality of human suffering, it is both an agonizing defeat and a magnificent spiritual journey.




velvetears -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 10:49:55 AM)

Here's another one:

Spiritual BDSM
From: http://www.powerotics.com
Picture a broad, calm river. That can be a a very tranquil, beautiful sight. Intens even. Calming. Soothing. Relaxing. Now, in your mind, travel upstream. The closer you get to the origin of the river, the more power and violence you will find. Waterfalls, whirling white water and eventually wells pushing their way up from deep under the soil, through the rocks. The history of most loving relationships is much like that. It is vibrant, steamy and filled with new energy in the beginning and over times transforms into a calm, peaceful situation.
Spiritual BDSM is about turning the waterfall back on
In Oriental philosophy this will be explained in terms of Yin and Yang. Life energy (Ki in Japanese, Chi in Chinese of Prana in Sanskrit) flows between Yin and Yang. Much in the way you need a plus and minus pole of a battery of a magnet. The balance between Yin and Yang requires constant disturbance in order to allow for energy to flow. Not "just" disturbance of course, but controlled and meaningful actions to move from Yin to Yang and back. The waterfall must be there to feed the river.
BDSM is about "disturbing the peace". Is about looking for new impulses, boundaries, options and input. Exploring the edges of your mind, the deepest corners of your fantasy. Not going for the obvious or a comforting knowledge of what already is, but "to baldly go where no one has gone before". Being into BDSM is being Columbus in your own universe.
It is your world
When it comes to love and relationships there are as many different realities (dimensions if you like) as there are people. Each relationship is its own universe, different form all others, shaped and formed along its own norms and values, wants and needs. All stars look alike, yet - when observed closely -they are very different from each other.
Step into BDSM and you'll instanty turn into an explorer. Of your own universe as well as that of others. Your main objective: to learn, experience and find new impulses. Explorers usually find treasures of all kinds. New lands, new medicine, new plans, new animals and new people. They do so through taking risks and facing dangers while venturing into the unknown. That is exactly what BDSM is about.
Set your own trail. Prepare yourself for spectacular waterfalls as well as for a few sharks, lions and a few bruises. Explore, learn and keep what is of value in your own reality.




velvetears -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 11:03:40 AM)

http://www.fetishalliance.net/Stories/stories.htm    Go to the slave pages - 3 pieces written about spirituality. 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 11:43:54 AM)


http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?





MasterNdorei -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 12:50:31 PM)

 

For me being enslaved is very similar to those on a "spiritual" path in that the goal  is to no longer be "tossed" by things life throws at us. It is about finding and maintaining a center.

My journey of being enslaved definately provides this... though sometimes it takes me longer to realize than other times....

Master's dorei




xolarkinxo -> RE: Spirituality and The BDSM Life Style (3/25/2007 2:09:21 PM)

This BDSM lifestyle has begun to feel spiritual to me.  I feel as though I am transforming into a better version of myself. The one I've always had in mind; but, not in practice.  Now, it feels like I've found a life method that I can follow daily; a lesson plan of sorts.  It's somethng I had not found in the different branches of religion the past.




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