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PONYSEEKER -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/26/2007 8:41:55 AM)

If you google it you will find that there are a few companies making wooden products.  Its a very classical way to go if you look at the history behind vibrators / dilldoes.  There are tons of exotic woods that can be used to give a really nice look to whatever you make and I you will find that wood has a very warm feel to it.  You do have to look for wood sealents that are used in the food industry for things like cutting boards but what you are talking about is done all the time and has been for centuries.




Aneirin -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/26/2007 9:58:53 AM)

Thankyou to all who have offered me good advice,I will continue with my plan,but a sealant of a food grade would probably well worth looking at,and in reply to PONYSEEKER,whom I thank also,yes,I am aware of items from history,it was in fact seeing an antique seven inch ebony dildo from Asia that came up for sale a while ago,that spurred the idea,there are some very beautiful woods out there,which would make a classy piece of equiptment for a discerning user,though was not dildoes that I had in mind to carve,but for something else I make,but they will be included at some point.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/28/2007 4:51:14 PM)

Okay, this is going to be a bit long so unless you have a hard on for this subject, skip this post.

There are a couple of qualities of wood that must be considered when making insertibles, pore size, hardness, and toxicity.  Wood is made up of cellulose and is basically a bunch of straws bundled together.

  • The pores (the individual straw) in some wood are quite large, oak is a good example of this, in other woods such as maple, they are quite small to the point of being invisible to the naked eye.  The smaller the pore size the less space for things to lodge.  This is why butcher blocks are made of maple and not oak.
  • Some woods are much harder than others.  Some have names like ironwood, bulletwood, and lignum vitae.  The Jenka scale is conducted by how fast a ball must go to embed into wood.  Pine is around 800 and the really hard woods are near 4000.   Oak is at about 1300.
  • Now, for the toxicity of wood.  Most of what we think of as "wood" is the heartwood or dead part of the tree.  In order to keep it from rotting, the tree injects chemicals which darken the wood.  In the case of my favorite wood, walnut, the principle chemical is Juglans.  It will stain your hands purple, kill horses exposed to the sawdust, and suppress a lot of plant growth.  Many exotic woods, like purpleheart, rosewood, ebony, and others have even more toxic chemicals.  Most are not significant to the touch, only if exposed to airborne sawdust.  Rosewood and a few others are known for causing allergic reactions.

So, how important is this?  Well, if you choose an effective seal, whether that is an epoxy, varnish, or polyurethane, you are pretty much fine.  Wax is completely useless as a finish as is any of the oils like linseed or tung oil.   With a good finish, they are as safe as a silicone dildo and probably LESS toxic.  If you are truly sensitive to chemicals, bite the bullet and buy a glass dildo.




Aneirin -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 6:30:41 PM)

Thankyou to you Simply Michael,I recognise the avatar from another name,now I know,no-one is that though.Thankyou for your your knowledge on this subject,it is much appreciated.From someone that did not now much,now I have an idea,thankyou all and you.




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 6:39:26 PM)

i don't understand the desire to have a hard, poking piece of wood or ivory shoved inside .... the vagina is only 4 inches long - 6 when properly aroused.... the thought of the end of that jabbing my tender cervix [&o]  i'd rather have something nice and cushy, thats why cock heads are shaped the way they are and more spongy then the shaft - to protect the cervix. In the rectum it's just dangerous - you can perforate it and then you have real problems.  i have no idea how long a rectum is lol... anyone know?  But i know it has a bend and if the wood or ivory press against this delicate tissue it's going to cause damage.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 8:53:26 PM)

Oh god, give me a giant break.  The size of the things one can shove into and out of a vagina is a bit larger than six inches and the same goes for a rectum.

Try searching google images for giant dildo....
http://korny.adultbouncer.com/big/pornfreemovies.com_big_110more.jpg
http://links.gotoadults.com/b/asstraffic1.jpg
http://www.zone-hardcore.biz/photos/fist-fucking-4.jpg




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 10:51:35 PM)

Yes absolutely, but the majority of them are softer in nature.  Why do you think the average cock size is 6 inches [;)]




Driver1961 -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:10:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

i don't understand the desire to have a hard, poking piece of wood or ivory shoved inside ....   i have no idea how long a rectum is lol... anyone know?  But i know it has a bend and if the wood or ivory press against this delicate tissue it's going to cause damage.


I'm with SimplyMichael here.  Yes you don't understand, Yes it is not your gig, Yes you think people that insert more than 4" to 6" are crazy.  If you want to learn more- word yourself that way.   Perhaps you should start a new thread velvetears asking "Why do some women want more than a cock?"
 
Laughs to all....




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:14:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Driver1961

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

i don't understand the desire to have a hard, poking piece of wood or ivory shoved inside ....   i have no idea how long a rectum is lol... anyone know?  But i know it has a bend and if the wood or ivory press against this delicate tissue it's going to cause damage.


I'm with SimplyMichael here.  Yes you don't understand, Yes it is not your gig, Yes you think people that insert more than 4" to 6" are crazy.  If you want to learn more- word yourself that way.   Perhaps you should start a new thread velvetears asking "Why do some women want more than a cock?"
 
Laughs to all....


Don't misquote me nor put words in my mouth. i never said those that do are "crazy" i simply stated i did not understand that particular desire.




ExtremeMP -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:16:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I intend to use only dense hardwoods,though a sealant of some kind will be necessary,wax or other.But I know some hardwoods can be poisonous to humans in that they may irritate or worse,Gombeia,a wood I am playing with at the moment is one of these,it,it's wood dust causes severe irritation of the throat and nose,a burning sensation,even with a dust mask,it is my concern to avoid woods like these,but would a sealant nulify these properties?


Cocobola dust also can be very irritating to the skin, mucous membranes etc. Produces almost a burn similar to a bad sunburn in some people.

<edited to add> almost any of the tight grained woods/small pores should work provided they are sealed good with something like laquer or polyurethane. I would still reccomend the use of a condom just to err on the safe side though.




LadySeraphina -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:29:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

i don't understand the desire to have a hard, poking piece of wood or ivory shoved inside .... the vagina is only 4 inches long - 6 when properly aroused.... the thought of the end of that jabbing my tender cervix [&o] i'd rather have something nice and cushy, thats why cock heads are shaped the way they are and more spongy then the shaft - to protect the cervix. In the rectum it's just dangerous - you can perforate it and then you have real problems. i have no idea how long a rectum is lol... anyone know? But i know it has a bend and if the wood or ivory press against this delicate tissue it's going to cause damage.


I fully understand that it isn't for everyone, but personally I think the idea of a wooden dildo is lovely - and I'd want to display it as a piece of art when not in use.

Regarding vaginal size, perhaps many women can't handle more than 6 inches - and lucky for many men that's the case - but there are those of us who simply don't find 6 inches to do anything for us. True, sometimes my houseboy's nearly 9 inches can be a bit trying, but we always find it does the job nicely. ;)




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:40:49 PM)

The vagina can accomodate larger, but they are designed for spongy headed penises.  A cock pressing up against the cervix can feel quite erotic, the cervix can be pushed, this can feel good. i had a bf years ago who was 12 inches - and if he vigourously jammed it against the cervix i saw stars. i can only imagine how it would have felt had it been a piece of hard wood or ivory, i probably would have passed out.  Maybe some women get off on the pain of hard objects?  




kate -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:52:52 PM)

12 inches....that just seems like over kill to me, lol




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:56:12 PM)

Here is some info i found about vagina length:

You see, the vagina of a woman who hasn't had a child is only a mere 7.5cm (3") long when she's not sexually excited. The figures for women who have had babies are only slightly different. And even when she has been aroused, her vagina usually extends only to a length of about 10cm (4"). So it's obvious that any man's penis will fill her vagina completely, unless, of course, he happens to be one of those very, very rare guys with an erect penile length of less than 4".   from: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relationships/facts/penissize.htm

This is from Wikipedia:

Penis size and vaginal response
The vagina itself is a very elastic environment which can expand on average to ~10 centimetres (4 in) in diameter during childbirth, and it also easily retains a tampon. Thus a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises from relatively small to large. It will generally accommodate and adjust to the object it surrounds. Discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt.
According to Louanne Cole Weston, PhD, licensed counselor, and sex therapist, in a May 2002 report by WebMD,[22] several misconceptions have developed surrounding penile-vaginal intercourse. Cultural preferences may have exaggerated the importance of deep vaginal penetration in obtaining female orgasm.
The most sensitive area of the vagina is the section closest to the outside of a woman's body, which is roughly 10 centimeters (4 in) in length. Given that the average penis size is above this length, most men should be able to easily reach and stimulate these erotic nerve endings.
In stark contrast, minor surgery without anesthetic can be conducted on the inner portion of a woman's vagina without discomfort. Most women attest to a feeling of being "filled up" by larger than average penises, yet few can claim to feel erotic sensations in the deeper regions of the vagina.[citation needed] In fact, stimulation of the G-spot may be more effective if the man's penis is slightly shorter than average, as this highly sensitive area of the vagina is located closer to the opening of vagina than to the recesses of its canal (found anywhere from 1 to 3 inches inside the vagina, on the anterior wall).[23]
Some women have reported enjoying stimulation of the cervix,[24] although this may be confused with the anterior fornix (deepest point of vagina above cervix) or posterior fornix (back of vagina, behind cervix).[25] The cervix, fornix, and cul-de-sac are within close proximity of each other, so there may be indirect and/or simultaneous stimulation between them.
The fornix is said to be another possible orgasm trigger area.[26] Tests have shown that pressure on this area causes the vagina to lubricate very quickly. The area of sexual response in the anterior fornix has also been called the epicentre, T-Spot, AFE-Zone, AFE or A-Spot; while in the posterior fornix it has been called epicenter (as well) or cul-de-sac (since the cul-de-sac may be indirectly stimulated by pressure on the posterior fornix).
No matter the size of a man's penis it takes a level of skill to stimulate the anterior fornix. The man with a shorter penis may also be able to stimulate the anterior fornix using some advantageous positions which shorten the distance to the uterus.[27]
Long penises (over ~20 centimeters (8 in)) can be susceptible to rubbing on, or striking, the cervix, which has been described as being rather uncomfortable, or sometimes painful. Over-stretching the back of the vagina can also cause discomfort, and this may be mistaken for cervix pain. Thus very long penises sometimes cannot be fully inserted. The exact depth depends on both anatomical dimensions and arousal of the woman, as well as the sexual technique used.
During sexual intercourse, the vagina lengthens rapidly after initial insertion from about 10 to 14 cm (4 to 5.5 in),[28] but the final and initial depths vary from woman to woman ±2.5 cm (±1 in). The vagina (with proper arousal) will stretch to envelop larger sizes (up to a point) — about 19–23 cm (7.5–9 in) maximum on average (although more may be accommodated with long-term adaptation). As the woman becomes fully aroused the vagina tents (last ²⁄₃ expands in length and width) while the cervix retracts,[29] meaning that with the right penetration angle long penises will slide over or under the cervix without directly hitting it (instead stretching the back of the vagina or anterior/posterior fornix). Enough foreplay to produce full arousal is generally needed to ready a woman for penetration by a large penis — although this same amount of foreplay is often recommended regardless of the man's penis size. While a long penis normally isn't a hindrance, there's little to suggest it's advantageous either.
On the other hand, stimulation of the G-Spot may be more effective if the man's penis is thicker than average, since the pleasure sensations from this area are activated primarily by pressure.[citation needed] A thicker penis may provide more friction against the vestibular bulbs, which are located in close proximity and anteriorly on either side of the urethra.[citation needed]
Women have confirmed in surveys the primary focus of the clitoris in sexual stimulation. Roughly three-quarters of women surveyed have reported difficulty reaching orgasm by vaginal intercourse alone, and just 7% are able to do this on most occasions. Many report requiring simultaneous clitoral and vaginal stimulation — regardless of the dimensions of the inserted object.[30]

Interesting that when i googled vaginal length i got more stuff about penis size lol [&:]




velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (3/31/2007 11:58:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kate

12 inches....that just seems like over kill to me, lol


It was... when women say bigger is better for myself i have to disagree.  i am sure my own anatomy plays a major role in how it felt and some women would relish a man that large. If i ever run across another that big i would do one thing only RUN lol




SimplyMichael -> RE: Human safe wood? (4/1/2007 8:36:15 AM)

The wiki doesn't argue that large object CANNOT be inserted although I learned something I didn't know about a woman's anatomy (a subject of much interest to me and surprising about the ignorance of most owners)that fact would be the existence of the  fornix.  Looking at its position, I wonder if that is why anal sex, once someone learns to enjoy it is so hot for so many women.  The fornix would get a lot of sensation.

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  Discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt.


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Thus a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises from relatively small to large. It will generally accommodate and adjust to the object it surrounds. Discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt.


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As the woman becomes fully aroused the vagina tents (last ²⁄₃ expands in length and width) while the cervix retracts,[29] meaning that with the right penetration angle long penises will slide over or under the cervix without directly hitting it (instead stretching the back of the vagina or anterior/posterior fornix). Enough foreplay to produce full arousal is generally needed to ready a woman for penetration by a large penis — although this same amount of foreplay is often recommended regardless of the man's penis size.






velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (4/1/2007 9:31:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The wiki doesn't argue that large object CANNOT be inserted although I learned something I didn't know about a woman's anatomy (a subject of much interest to me and surprising about the ignorance of most owners)that fact would be the existence of the  fornix.  Looking at its position, I wonder if that is why anal sex, once someone learns to enjoy it is so hot for so many women.  The fornix would get a lot of sensation.



i as well never said large objects CANNOT be inserted, i think you assumed i thought that because i mentioned not understanding the desire to have hard ones (wood and ivory) inserted.  i know many women love this and i would like to understand why is all.  From doing a bit of research i have learned something as well, that these objects are sliding either over or under the cervix not jamming into it. Also important is the amount of arousal.  i have been told in the past i have a tipped uterus so i wonder if this plays a role in how my own body responds?? 




FukinTroll -> RE: Human safe wood? (4/1/2007 10:58:37 AM)

Interesting turn this has taken. Anyone stopped to consider the 15"+ X 20"+ things that come out of them? 




ownedgirlie -> RE: Human safe wood? (4/1/2007 11:02:17 AM)

*Chuckling* yes but the cervix dilates for that over a matter of hours and physical changes occur in preparation.





velvetears -> RE: Human safe wood? (4/1/2007 11:22:00 AM)

It still hurts though -i had a 10 and a half pounder and wasn't myself again till i endured over 100 stitches..... It is amazing though the whole process of birth [:)]




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