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Padriag -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 2:55:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?

Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ???? [:-]  Say it ain't so!  LOL

That would be a no.  But then I don't go to play parties or clubs either.  For me its all "personal".




MsOpal -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 2:59:17 PM)

Yes.  Of course it depends on how you define affection.  I "like" the boy I currently play.  We can carry on good conversation and he has had an interesting life.  We could be friends, if I wanted him for a friend.  I don't.  I want his submission on a part time basis for play.  He wants someone to submit to who will play him.  I get to watch him squirm and wriggle and hear him gasp and whimper  he gets to feel all those delicious feelings that make him act that way.

I do a lot of touching before during and after play.  I do the aftercare necessary.  I like to use a lot of touches and when the time comes that our play is long and hard enough that he needs to be held after, I will do so gladly.  But for me the word affection carries an emotional tie which we do not have nor do we desire.  This is about SM play for both of us.  We are getting what we both need and want.  We both get sex from other partners.  We get something else from each other.
MsOpal




mixielicous -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:06:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I'm the same way. Sex I can go without, but affection is a big part of sessions for me. Affection includes more than just hugging and kissing. Licking, sucking, breast play, and massage are all different forms of affection. One would think being tied up and ignored would be rather boring.

For some it might be, but for others its not about the physical touching of others. For some its about ONLY getting that fix of pain. Being touched or coddled after ruins the experience.

me, me! i never get "after care" or caressed during play [well sometimes a soft rub after a hard wack] but thats about it. after, i want to be left alone to revel in the feeling it produces.




raevnn -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:31:31 PM)

I went for years just getting 'beat on' (flogged, whipped, etc) without any touching or sex. I hated being touched and good god, I hated sex. I just wanted to be left alone after a scene.

For me that changed when I met my owner... well, not exactly when I met him. It took him a good while to get me to relax with being loved and touched sexually. I think it might have had something to do with fear, for me. I didn't feel afraid at the time, but I obviously had to reach a comfort level with someone before letting them do anything with me sexually along side the s&m.




TheHeretic -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:42:12 PM)

    FR

    Even if it is just an unresolved tension, there must be a sexual component for me to enjoy either side of a scene.  Affection?  That isn't neccesary, and is sometimes downright undesirable.




domiguy -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:47:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?


I wouldn't be seen with such a woman.




CdnExplorer -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:49:23 PM)

I think I'd have a very hard time doing scenes with someone who couldn't make affection part of it, either during or after. I'd feel very...wrong afterwards, and would probably feel like my submission wasn't valued. Sex...that depends. If I were in a long term relationship sex could be important. Short term encounters though...not so much.




szobras -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:55:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?

I have scened in the past without either. Now I prefer to include them both, though the affection is more important to me.




subsa -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 3:59:40 PM)

well, we've learned to scene with out sex.  but that's how we found out we liked the BDSM thing; it started with rough sex.  in the 9 months we've been out in the community participating we've learned how to not follow up with a heavy sex session.  it was very difficult at first. 
as far as affection goes, i need to like the person topping me and i want them to like me too.  so far every play session has included some sort of affection afterwards.  i don't think i'd like being left alone after a session any more than i like wham bam thankyou ma'am sex.  but if that's what Master wants of course that's how it will be. 




GeekyGirl -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 5:09:44 PM)

I would not play with anyone who did not give me sex and affection. BDSM play turns me on..why get turned on and not get any release? Sort of defeats the purpose for me.

I do have a couple of ex boyfriends who now reside in the realm of "casual play partner" but they are affectionate with me when I am with them and definately provide sex. Submission may be psychological but s/m is all about sex for me.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 5:19:22 PM)

Interesting,Most of my s and m doesn't equate to sex but when it does it mind blowing...With the correct sub thats when pain pleasure and sex all blends into one like a giant wave flowing over me...bounty




DiurnalVampire -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 5:21:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?

Sex is Angel's hard limit, for now. Affection isnt a limit, he just isnt an affectionate person.  We play regularly, he is mine and I love him. However, there is no sexual contact at all, and affection is very limited and infrequent.  Thats just the way we are, and how we hav always been.  *shrug*

DV




moki1984 -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 5:36:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?

Being that i am a married woman with masochistic needs....
sure lol. that fits right into my puzzle . but that does not mean i dont want the sex....god knows it turns me on to no end but hey....i wont break my vows




CreativeDominant -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 6:07:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?


I wouldn't do it.  I've done scenes inside a club where sex was not permitted and so the urge was set aside until it could be satisfied later in more private surroundings.  In terms of affection, I have finally come to understand that for some into receiving pain and for some into giving pain that becoming affectionate afterwards drapes a cold blanket over a simmering fire.  While I understand it, it is exactly why I would not play with someone who felt that way.  I want someone who wants to be touched and/or held afterwards and I freely admit that after turning my dark side to her, I need some affectionate human contact also to bring me out of that space.

I tend to want to play with a masochistic submissive whose masochism is almost fully explained, though not completely, by these definitions:

  • Pleasure derived from physical or psychological pain inflicted on oneself either by oneself or by others. It is called sexual masochism and classified as a paraphilia when it is consciously sought as a part of the sexual act or as a prerequisite to sexual gratification. It is the converse of sadism, although the two tend to coexist in the same person.
    www.indianpsychiatry.com/Glossary.htm

  • A sexual variation in which the individual derives sexual pleasure from experiencing pain.
    www.sexualcounselling.com/Glossary/Glossarym.htm


  • Where sexual gratification is acheived by pain
    www.panteraconsulting.com/sexual_words_3.htm


  • sexual pleasure obtained from receiving punishment (physical or psychological)
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


  • Sadism is the sexual pleasure or gratification in the infliction of pain and suffering upon another person. Medically it is considered to be a paraphilia. The word is derived from the name of the Marquis de Sade, a prolific French writer of sadistic novels.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masochism

    Since I am a sadistic dominant whose sadism is explained, at least to a great extent though not all,  by the following definitions:
  • The word “sadism” was coined to describe the writings of Donatien-Alphonse-Francois, the Marquis de Sade. Sadism is a sexual perversion where one person gains gratification by inflicting physical or mental pain on others. It can also mean a delight in torment or excessive cruelty. Example: In his book, 120 Days of Sodom, the Marquis describes and justifies acts of sexual perversion:
    www.georgiasouthern.edu/~dougt/goth.html

  • Named after the French author and sadist, the Marquis de Sade (1740-1814), sadism refers to deriving sexual pleasure from the infliction of pain, fear, and/or humiliation in the context of sexual activity. Muted sadism reflects underlying sadistic fantasy, often played out symbolically, with a relative absence of aggression. Muted sadists appear to be higher in social competence than overt sadists, with increased social skills mollifying the aggression.
    www.forensicexaminers.com/terminology.html


  • A sexual variation in which the person derives sexual pleasure from inflicting pain on someone else.
    www.4sexual-pleasure.com/definitions.html


  • sexual pleasure obtained by inflicting harm (physical or psychological) on others
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


  • Sadism is the sexual pleasure or gratification in the infliction of pain and suffering upon another person. Medically it is considered to be a paraphilia. The word is derived from the name of the Marquis de Sade, a prolific French writer of sadistic novels.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadism



     




  • AquaticSub -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 6:15:18 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

    How many of you would scene with someone on a regular basis where both sex and affection were hard limits?


    That would be a hard limit for me.




    Celeste43 -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 6:16:57 PM)

    I don't do casual play or sex and in an ongoing relationship affection and affirmation are essential. I was upfront with him about my needs for these. Had he been of the sort that says aftercare is my problem, we wouldn't even had met.




    Caitriona -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 6:30:34 PM)

    Sex is not usually part of a scene for me, but sometimes it does happen with my Master.  It all depends on the mood I suppose.  Affection is always there for us.  Even if he does push me beyond my limits and we do a "hard" scene, there is always affection in aftercare.

    When I scene with another there are rules as to what kinds of affection are appropriate and sex is a hard limit.  Master is always present in the room and holds safeword power if he feels I am unable to use it.  Master is always responsible for my aftercare, as I am a snuggly type. 




    defiantbadgirl -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 7:09:59 PM)

    What if it started out with affection and one partner suddenly decided they wanted to change to no affection? Would you end it or go with it?




    Celeste43 -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 7:17:21 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

    What if it started out with affection and one partner suddenly decided they wanted to change to no affection? Would you end it or go with it?


    End it. Same as if he decided after a little while that he wasn't really monogamous like he said. I would consider that he was lying from day one to get me to submit and then go and do what he knew I would have walked away from if he had been honest upfront.

    I don't believe that a person can change from being an affectionate, touchy-feelly person to a cold fish overnight. Now if the change is caused by problems in the relationship, then I'd much prefer he address them in a straight forward manner. Suddenly withholding affection because he's unhappy while refusing to talk to me about things is passive aggressive and unpleasant. If I wanted to be in a relationship that made me miserable, I wouldn't have divorced my ex.




    hawkwolf7 -> RE: no sex or affection (3/28/2007 8:47:11 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

    I have scened for years without sex and still do. It's about the SM. But, without affection (meaning touching, caressing and other comforting but non-sexual touching) I doubt I could.

    Master Fire



    Me too.




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