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are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 2:11:26 AM

slaveanwyl

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this girl would ask do you think slaves are a rare and prescious comodityand if so why ?

i ask because Master told me yesterday i was a rare and precious thing to be protected and cared for..

your views please

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 2:25:14 AM

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*smiles*... Sweetheart... I think you can probably afford to take what he says personally.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 3:14:05 AM

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What a wonderful thing for him to say to you.

Are slaves rare... not as much as they used to be... I'd call them uncommon at this point. Good slaves are more uncommon still. A slave who can meet my admittedly finnicky tastes... rare.

Are slaves precious... absolutely. Its a very special relationship to have with someone who is willing to literally give their dominant everything, to me that is precious.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 3:28:28 AM

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"Are they rare?" - Not if you look at any of the web boards
"Are they precious?" Gold is worth more, pound for pound.

I am not much of a romantic.

It was nice of your master to express his appreciation of you and to meet your need to be needed.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 4:39:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl

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this girl would ask do you think slaves are a rare and prescious comodityand if so why ?

i ask because Master told me yesterday i was a rare and precious thing to be protected and cared for..

your views please

Did your Master tell you that you were rare and precious because you were a slave? I highly doubt it. What you said your Master said was that YOU are rare and a precious thing to be protected and cared for...

I don't think its because you're a slave, but because you (in and of yourself).. are rare and precious to him.

I don't quite understand why you felt the need to ask the "community".. my guess is that you don't think you are rare or precious and are having a hard time believing your Master's views of you.

Trust your Master. If he says you are worth more than all the gold in the world, then you are. I've had several new subs/slaves come to my chatroom asking me these types of questions. Wondering why their Masters would say such things and why they had such a hard time believing it. Then talking to their Masters who were struggling trying to convince their sub/slave that the sub/slaves were worthy of being owned.

Mostly what I've seen is subs/slaves that all their lives have seen their value (lets use a 1-10 scale of value 10 being perfect) as a 5 or so, and their Masters see them as a 9 or 10. The subs/slaves, since their view of themselves is so much lower, aren't comfortable with accepting their Master's value of them. So they fight it. Every compliment the Master gives, they tell themselves their faults to keep themselves from "getting a big head" or believing more of themselves than they feel they should. Rather than believing that someone really sees them as a 10 and putting value in that opinion. You see in a subs or slaves head, Masters are biased and thus their compliments are biased and don't mean as much.

Its not an easy thing to overcome. But it is possible. As in all things BDSM, a sub/slave you should be able to believe and trust that what Master says is the truth and believe it. But it seems this area is the hardest thing to accept for some.

Or so I've seen...

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 4:59:57 AM

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This is an odd thought I was pondering since now days it is so much easier with the internet to take concencus in some small way. Different areas of the country, or even different parts of the world all have different socioties, different cultures. Do some cultures breed more domminants or submisives than others? Is it that one region will have a scarcity of domminants and other regions submisives are rare? I tend to think so on this subject but that is just my thought.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 5:25:04 AM

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If a Master/Mistress treated me like i was rare and precious, caring for and protecting me then i would wonder who is serving whom. i would view them as weak and see them in a submissive light.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 5:26:25 AM

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Finding a good match for you long term is always rare and special.

But a slave who lets themselves be lulled into thinking, or uses that manipulate the master into thinking, that he or she is indispensable is just looking for trouble and pain.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 9:13:22 AM

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quote:

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If a Master/Mistress treated me like i was rare and precious, caring for and protecting me then i would wonder who is serving whom. i would view them as weak and see them in a submissive light.

Ugh.. this belief that a Master/Mistress has to be uncaring, hard, mean, crass, etc.. or they can't be a Dom/me.. just burns me. Its one of the reasons I got out of the lifestyle the first time, and one of the reasons I feel like disappearing from it again.

I seem to have a whole different grasp on what should constitute a healthy BDSM relationship than most everyone else. Some agree with me. Some obviously don't.

One of the most attractive qualities I've ever found in a Dom/me is the ability to love with everything that is in them, and yet never lose control. To care, and yet because they care, discipline. To protect me from harm, yet blissfully torture me themselves. To that kind of Dom, I could become slave-like if not a slave itself.

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ORIGINAL: Emerald Slave
Finding a good match for you long term is always rare and special.

But a slave who lets themselves be lulled into thinking, or uses that manipulate the master into thinking, that he or she is indispensable is just looking for trouble and pain.

I would think that if a Master/Mistress is really a Master/Mistress... the slave and the Master/Mistress could both think the slave is indispensable and yet both would know who was in control. Just because you're indispensable, doesn't mean you won't get punished for doing wrong and punished hard. A good Master/Mistress knows how to keep their slave (indispensable or not) in line.

But then, I've already established I'm from a whole different school of thought here..

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 10:10:50 AM

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Just because you're indispensable, doesn't mean you won't get punished for doing wrong and punished hard. A good Master/Mistress knows how to keep their slave (indispensable or not) in line.

But then, I've already established I'm from a whole different school of thought here..

I don't think slaves are indispensable. They can always be given, sold, traded or simply released.

How likely that is to happen depends on how well they are serving their purpose and the specific relationship dynamics, but a slave is always dispensable.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 10:28:39 AM

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I look at a slave as an investment of my time and energy, and I expect a positive return on that investment. The more time I spend training, teaching and guiding the development of a slave towards what I need her to become, the more she succeeds in moving towards that goal, the more valuable she becomes to me. I protect her because I am protecting my investment and because I care for her. I care for her both because I want her to continue to succeed and because I care for her emotionally. I care for her emotionally because she is a person with whom I have a special bond, not an object... she is human property, not a lifeless possession. If I say she is precious to me, it is because she has made herself so, through her efforts, her successes at meeting what I require of her.

Don't ever mistake my love, affection or gentleness for weakness. There's a thundering velvet hand behind it.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 10:36:46 AM

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i could never be in a relationship where i did not feel tressured. i am a sub but i am also a valubel person. Ofcourse i am more into the i give over control to the Dom but he also takes care of me type of sub and not a slave. But even in a slave/Master relaitionship i think there should be some apriciation of one another.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 10:54:27 AM

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But even in a slave/Master relaitionship i think there should be some apriciation of one another.

Isn't the ability to continue serving enough appreciation? Knowing that he still chooses you to have you in his life and allows you to learn and serve and fulfill yourself?

Now, I love being treasured and coddled and taken out to dinner as much as the next slave, and the Owner does all of those things as he pleases...but it's certainly not an expectation and absolutely not a condition I put on being owned.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:04:08 AM

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For me it is, i am submissive, but i am other things to. And i do not consider myself so worthless that it is enough for me that the Dom wants me in his life, i must also want him in mine.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:11:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lil1v

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ORIGINAL: kisshou

If a Master/Mistress treated me like i was rare and precious, caring for and protecting me then i would wonder who is serving whom. i would view them as weak and see them in a submissive light.

Ugh.. this belief that a Master/Mistress has to be uncaring, hard, mean, crass, etc.. or they can't be a Dom/me.. just burns me. Its one of the reasons I got out of the lifestyle the first time, and one of the reasons I feel like disappearing from it again.

I seem to have a whole different grasp on what should constitute a healthy BDSM relationship than most everyone else. Some agree with me. Some obviously don't.

One of the most attractive qualities I've ever found in a Dom/me is the ability to love with everything that is in them, and yet never lose control. To care, and yet because they care, discipline. To protect me from harm, yet blissfully torture me themselves. To that kind of Dom, I could become slave-like if not a slave itself.

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ORIGINAL: Emerald Slave
Finding a good match for you long term is always rare and special.

But a slave who lets themselves be lulled into thinking, or uses that manipulate the master into thinking, that he or she is indispensable is just looking for trouble and pain.

I would think that if a Master/Mistress is really a Master/Mistress... the slave and the Master/Mistress could both think the slave is indispensable and yet both would know who was in control. Just because you're indispensable, doesn't mean you won't get punished for doing wrong and punished hard. A good Master/Mistress knows how to keep their slave (indispensable or not) in line.

But then, I've already established I'm from a whole different school of thought here..

lil 1v, I agree with you and the more I read of what you write I'm thinking you and I went to the same school

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As far as slaves being "dispensable" as in being "given, sold, traded, or simply released" (to quote EmeraldSlave2) I guess for some that's okay. Since my Master and I are married, if he decided to do something like that there would be some legal implications I believe.

And of course I wear the rose-colored glasses regarding all of this; I look at BDSM relationships as being two people in a romantic relationship above anything else.

Before the poly folks jump all over me, hey, I'm not judging you or condemning you at all. I said in a previous post that my credo is to each his or her own, even if it doesn't float my boat (unless it involves children or animals... then I am judgemental as hell! lol). My view is different from yours, but it doesn't mean that you are wrong.

My Master and I practice what suits us. Just because he loves and treasures me (as I love and treasure him) doesn't make him not a Dom.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:13:45 AM

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For me it is, i am submissive, but i am other things to. And i do not consider myself so worthless that it is enough for me that the Dom wants me in his life, i must also want him in mine.

Yes nella!

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:15:57 AM

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i agree cello, i am engaded to be marrid to my Dom, we are just starting on a BDSM relationship, but have been togeter for years before that. For me it is a nice fantasy to be totaly owned and to have the risk of being sold and traded away, but in practice, somthing like that would not work for me. i can submit to somone i do not care aboute for a short time, but not have a longtime relationship whit them.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:36:24 AM

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For me it is, i am submissive, but i am other things to. And i do not consider myself so worthless that it is enough for me that the Dom wants me in his life, i must also want him in mine.

Don't you express wanting him in your life by consenting to be owned and continuing to obey?

Do you think I consider myself worthless then?

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:39:09 AM

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No i do not think you consider yourself to be worthless, but for me that would be the case if i was to give up all happiness and jsut serve one man. i sere becouse i want to, i serve becouse it is in my nature, i do not live to serve.

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RE: are slaves rare - 4/13/2005 11:46:48 AM

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thankyou for your reply its true in all my life i have never been seen as special or even been loved and so when now i have this and Master says things to me like you are beautiful and you are worth this and this i find it so hard to accept. because always i was told i was no good and

so i have found it very hard to adjust and to adapt to his way of seeing things

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