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MasterDane -> Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 4:41:15 PM)

Hello all, I have been on this site for a little while now, and I have come across a number of profiles, mostly from young submissives, asking to be tied up, caged or something similarly extreme on a 24/7 basis, and only taken out of occasional punishments etc. Now, I am no stranger to the passions that grip us all in this lifestyle, I have felt the urge to do just that to subs in the past.

However, when I think it through, I always come to the same conclusions. One I cannot imagine myself twenty years in the future, with someone who has experienced nothing but the inside of a cage or even a bedroom. Two, and perhaps more important, I cannot believe, that this is the kind of life anybody really want, no matter how submissive.

And so, at long last, my question becomes. Am I correct in my assumptions, or am I applying a dominants mindset to a situation, where it does not belong?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

MasterDane



sillygirl09 -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 5:20:09 PM)

I think that people who are asking for that kind of treatment 24/7 have definitely not thought it through.  And your point about having nothing to talk to said person is very good.



FukinTroll -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 5:41:51 PM)

http://powerotics.com/lano/lano1.htm



badpaliden -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 5:53:56 PM)

We just chuckle and move on to some one who is with us on the same planet. We figure its too much fantasy/fiction and not enough real knowlage  OR a full blown B.S. job.. So either way..



juliaoceania -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 6:34:34 PM)

People have different kinks. I am fortunate, I have no desire to be cut off from life, my Daddy does not have a desire to cut me off from life. There are people who do want this in a partner, and they belong together. Obviously it is not your thing.



hisannabelle -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 7:33:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

People have different kinks. I am fortunate, I have no desire to be cut off from life, my Daddy does not have a desire to cut me off from life. There are people who do want this in a partner, and they belong together. Obviously it is not your thing.


greetings master dane,

i have to agree with julia's post. there are even one or two on here who live this way - see the profile of "aslaveslife." personally, that is not for us; He would get bored very easily with it, and honestly, so would i - although i'd do it if He wished it. i don't think it's all people living in their heads, fantasizing about it - i'm sure there ARE people who do it. but i think many people (not all) who say they want it probably would get tired of it faster than they think.

respectfully,
annabelle.



Devilslilsister -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 7:40:34 PM)

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I cannot believe, that this is the kind of life anybody really want,


Anyone can WANT it.. but its the doing it that makes it improbably.  In another world, another time, another life... i would seek it out.  So while i "want" it and even dream of it.......  its not practical and will never happen. 

But mine isnt "caged" or "tied up" 24/7 - something different but close to the same effect.

What i think the "problem" is - is the idealistic nature of the whole concept.  Its when one becomes realistic about it.....  Idealism vs Realism



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 8:52:57 PM)

Not to mention how much work it is for US. I mean, damn, I don't even want a puppy...why would I want an adult that I'd have to treat like a dog or hostage 24/7 in order to meet their fantasy...and STILL not get my house clean or have someone to go to the movies with?! I think that they're playing in fantasy, but we DO hear of a few people who have been held captive like this, but not in a good way, so, theoretically it can be done. Just not my thing.

Master Fire



SimplyMichael -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (3/31/2007 8:54:55 PM)

I hate to break it to you but almost all hot young chicks, especially those with one picture are guys....hopeing someone will play with them.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 12:42:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister
Idealism vs Realism



*Grins* I had to write an essay on this subject once.

To the OP, often times we want something that sounds awesome to us.  We mull it over in our minds and think we have considered all the nooks and crannies. And then it comes time to actually DO, and it's nothing like we imagined.  Such a life would not work for me.  To quote Mr. Wonderful, "I am not a fan of underachievement."  I could not achieve all he wants me to if I were confined 24/7.  Such an existence may work for some; it would not work in my circumstance.



AquaticSub -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 10:08:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

Not to mention how much work it is for US. I mean, damn, I don't even want a puppy...why would I want an adult that I'd have to treat like a dog or hostage 24/7 in order to meet their fantasy...and STILL not get my house clean or have someone to go to the movies with?! I think that they're playing in fantasy, but we DO hear of a few people who have been held captive like this, but not in a good way, so, theoretically it can be done. Just not my thing.

Master Fire



*chuckles* Which would make the bigger mess, the human or the puppy? I dunno but at least the puppy would cuddle up with you at night and lick your nose.



OsideGirl -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 11:03:00 AM)

It always makes me think that they're having problems functioning in real life. It's easier to be kept in a box and taken out for use. You never have to function.



MasterDane -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 11:50:57 AM)

Thanks for all the input. I asked because my response to such a request would be to arrange for some kind of diversion, anything to ensure that the sub was stimulated. I think I am justified in this approach, subject to "common sense" of course.

@Devilslilsister
I can certainly appreciate the mental equivalent to the situation I describe. I assume that is what you mean by "close to same effect". That just sounds like a healthy d/s relationship to me.

@SimplyMichael
I thought these were young people, with little experience and an understandable curiosity and passion for the lifestyle. Somehow your theory just explains SO much more.




openmindedslave -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 5:08:16 PM)

here is a story
A man meets a dom that advertises that she wants a real slave. One that will  live in cage or some other form of confinement and will also give up his personal wealth by signing over everything to this Mistress.Going to a attorney, he gave her power over his affairs. His bank accounts , and all personal property was hers to sell. Eventually , he ended up being kicked out , but not before all his money was transferred to her accounts..and pretty much was left with nothing .
Most would say this is a fantasy and pretty much impossiable to  find someone who would really give up his wealth with little consideration for what may happen.  But it is reality and it has happen.. And guess what .... to a slave this lifestyle may be a fantasy of ownership. To another its the reality of gaining wealth off the weak minds and strengths of others.



ferryman777 -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 5:22:35 PM)

24/7 confinement is called....prison, incoceration....and the convicts get out of their cages, are let out.

I knew a guy once, a so-called dom; he wanted such a thing, his slave kept penned up; his brag to me was..."When I walk into the room, or apprach her cage, I want her cumming all over, with her cum squirting on the ceiling."

So, he is a life term Mensa member, Boasts of his extraordinary High I.Q. constantly, is a night watchman who carries a gun; oh, and a devote Gorean lifestyler.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 6:01:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

It always makes me think that they're having problems functioning in real life. It's easier to be kept in a box and taken out for use. You never have to function.


You know, there are days when that sounds pretty good!!  [:)]

My Master once spoke of a girl with whom he conversed in IM, who told him she lives her life confined in a cage, removed only to do chores and to bathe herself.  I asked, "So she had a computer in there then?"  I suppose it depends on how big the cage is, eh?  If I could put bars around my LazyBoy in its reclined position, I wouldn't mind so much..........*grin*

Seriously though, the idea sounds appealing in ways but long term would bore him and waste me.



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 6:08:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I hate to break it to you but almost all hot young chicks, especially those with one picture are guys....hopeing someone will play with them.

Hey!  I have only one picture posted... Although I did have one disgruntled sub that I wouldn't write to tell me I was probably a guy.  I double checked just to make sure there wasn't anything dangling that I wasn't aware of.



Totalmaster4you -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/1/2007 10:41:00 PM)

Master Dane,
I skipped over many of the posts so if someone has said this already then excuse the duplication. I don't see you looking at these requests through a Dominants eyes but rather seeing through vanilla eyes. Masochism comes in many forms and this is simply one of them. These sub/slaves have probably given a lot of thought to what they request.What you have to decide is if you can be that Dominant and should they change their mind can You adjust.



PlayfulOne -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/2/2007 2:31:38 AM)

To some those thoughts are not fantasy, but they aren't based in reality either.  The reality is we are not made to be shut away from one another.  Look at prisoners who are locked up 23 hours of the day.  They do crazy things knowing what is going to happen to them but need the attention so badly they can't stop.

I know a very smart, strong woman who is also one dedicated slave who loves life on the edge.  She got herself into a positon where she was locked away in a room for 6 months.  The only contact she had was when she was beaten and used for sex.  When she finally removed herself she was in a battered woman's shelter and coounseling for some time after. 

I've seen a couple of other girls who had their "fantasy" come to life.  They were empty shattered shells of a person.  For a weekend, a couple of weeks, maybe a month, (depending on the person) it could be fun.  Afte that we are not meant as humans to live like that and the damage can be substantial.

For the Do, you do understand what would have happened to him had my friend given up his name at the shelter.  Consent or not he would have becomereal aquainted with the police.

K





Manawyddan -> RE: Fantasies vs. Realities (4/2/2007 5:17:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
My Master once spoke of a girl with whom he conversed in IM, who told him she lives her life confined in a cage, removed only to do chores and to bathe herself. I asked, "So she had a computer in there then?" I suppose it depends on how big the cage is, eh? If I could put bars around my LazyBoy in its reclined position, I wouldn't mind so much..........*grin*


Reminds me of a conversation I had with my cybersub once. I am always encouraging and recommending to her various films, music, books ... and also commenting that eventually she will be moved into my basement and kept there in chains permanently (note: my house does not actually have a basement). I once casually said that when she's locked up, I'll just force her to watch all these films I think she should see.

Her reply: "My cage will have a DVD player? dewd!"

Realising I was on the verge of having my credibility as a harsh master undermined, I countered with: "Yes, but no remote, so you will not be allowed to watch any special features!"



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