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TheDiva -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 1:33:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer What I don't get is the part about weeding out the sincere from the jerk-offs. That's easy. I make friends first. Any potential sub who is relaxed enough to just enjoy chatting about mutual non kink interests and building a relationship of real friendship without immediately pressing for kinky sex or play is a keeper in my book. Money really doesn't help to determine who you'll really enjoy spending time with down the road as your collared submissive. A solid basis of friendship, mutual liking and common interests surely does. The tribute I want? Join my gaming group and play a few sessions. Offer up entertaining intellectual exchanges on subjects we are both passionate about. Share your creative work. Be friendly, relaxed and interested in getting to know me as a human being. Make a friend. Now you're on my "A" list of extremely desirable potential play partners. Smart, self-confident, intelligent and interesting geeky gamer boys are hot to play with, they fit into my existing lifestyle and social circles, and also they're fun to spend time with even when they're not tied up and writhing under the whip. Money can't make someone compatible with me who isn't. So why is money even a factor in determining who you might really enjoy as a submissive? I mean, WTF? Eventually your whip arm is going to get tired and you are going to end up gasp TALKING to the guy you've been playing with. If you have absolutely nothing in common to talk about and can't spend time with him without being bored silly, how much hotness is your next scene going to have? Well said, Najakcharmer. Basic compatibility, thoughtfulness, and the ability to have an interesting conversation on a variety of topics are all things I take into consideration. A distasteful approach or proposition doesn't become more palatable to me if it's presented as a quid pro quo situation. Money, flowers, or gifts aren't inherently bad things. But they mean more if the motivation for giving is a sense of caring and connection. Recently, a submissive sent me two OWK books that he thought I would be interested in reading. A few months ago, a submissive made a latex skirt for me. Another sub sends me tributes regularly, but also calls me once a week or so to see how I'm doing and to chat about what's going on in each other's lives (and yes, about our mutual kinks)! There are also subs I chat with online and over the phone just because our conversations are interesting: I learn new things, they learn new things, and we make each other laugh at unexpected times. I'm not judging anyone who requires monetary tribute. However, I think it's possible to get a feel for a sub's sincerity and level of interest by his investment of time, thought, or effort. I don't want an ATM or a sugar daddy. I want a submissive who truly has a desire to please me and serve me.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 6:39:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So why the question of tribute? [...]Why is it we cannot be real? Why tribute? Money is power and pleasure; it is influential, sexual and so many other things. The act of monetary tithing is both symbolic and concrete; it is a proxy for your will to please. Poetry of desire and longing is trivial and virtually meaningless in a virtual word. To manifest your interest with a gift or monetary sum is a far more difficult test. But tribute means nothing when it's easy; the amount should be something that hurts—something that is a sacrifice. Many contend that financial domination is impersonal, evil and absurd, but there are few things so personal and real as money, I believe. When it is given in the right spirit, when it is offered out of pure love and worship and not with the intent to prostitute, it is a beautiful thing. A wonderful read [:)]

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 6:43:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea A gift is perhaps given out of pure love and worship. A required tribute is given out of fear of rejection and dismissal. All beginning paths are delicate, and those who love are seldom free of the possibility of severance. As for required tributes, I feel one need only observe them if one so chooses. Mistresses and Masters have many ways of discerning worth from a sea of nonsense; that one prefers a standard, stripe or seal and yet another proxy by coin is perfectly within the right of the individual, and we should not look down upon any standard, so long as it is made clear. We are all responsible to ourselves for the gateways we create, just as those who walk through them are responsible for choosing to do so. I love that term "a sea of nonsense", Bravo! My subs tribute with good heart, and bear gifts too, so gifts and tribute for Me thankyou kindly lol. http://mistressrouge.webeden.co.uk/

Unrepentant1 -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 6:49:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea A gift is perhaps given out of pure love and worship. A required tribute is given out of fear of rejection and dismissal. All beginning paths are delicate, and those who love are seldom free of the possibility of severance. As for required tributes, I feel one need only observe them if one so chooses. Mistresses and Masters have many ways of discerning worth from a sea of nonsense; that one prefers a standard, stripe or seal and yet another proxy by coin is perfectly within the right of the individual, and we should not look down upon any standard, so long as it is made clear. We are all responsible to ourselves for the gateways we create, just as those who walk through them are responsible for choosing to do so. I love that term "a sea of nonsense", Bravo! My subs tribute with good heart, and bear gifts too, so gifts and tribute for Me thankyou kindly lol. http://mistressrouge.webeden.co.uk/ And theres me thinking you were a Pro Domme, go figure! lol

Nick19WV -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:17:11 PM)
Tribute, the only thing that everyone cares about today. If tribute wasn't important to everyone I will be with my Mistress right now.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:17:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Unrepentant1 quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea A gift is perhaps given out of pure love and worship. A required tribute is given out of fear of rejection and dismissal. All beginning paths are delicate, and those who love are seldom free of the possibility of severance. As for required tributes, I feel one need only observe them if one so chooses. Mistresses and Masters have many ways of discerning worth from a sea of nonsense; that one prefers a standard, stripe or seal and yet another proxy by coin is perfectly within the right of the individual, and we should not look down upon any standard, so long as it is made clear. We are all responsible to ourselves for the gateways we create, just as those who walk through them are responsible for choosing to do so. I love that term "a sea of nonsense", Bravo! My subs tribute with good heart, and bear gifts too, so gifts and tribute for Me thankyou kindly lol. http://mistressrouge.webeden.co.uk/ And theres me thinking you were a Pro Domme, go figure! lol I am a Pro-Style Domme Professional-Lifestyle Dominant [:D] Editted to add: I make no secret that I provide Domination for tribute, stated here and on My website. I also have a gift list to make selection easy for any sub's that wish to do so, I like things in order lol.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:24:13 PM)
I suggest all the subs that have issues with the "tribute" factor, stay within their ideals and politely "put a sock in it", as they would never part with a gift or tribute to a Professional Domina anyway. lol Hmmm that term "sea of nonsense" comes to mind The waves are lapping, will My comment cause a tsunami I wonder? giggles [:D] http://mistressrouge.webeden.co.uk/

undergroundsea -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:37:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge We have had some posters here who have contributed to the discussion with an explanation of why they feel as they do, and tried to convey the intellectual basis of how they feel. Care to join us? Cheers, Sea

Mysti -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:50:24 PM)
Fast Reply I think a tribute is great if youre already in the relationship. For Me though I'd like it to be something useful. I dont need My subs money, I'd rather have him help me in some way thats out of his ordinary service. Perhaps coming to the gym with me and helping me with working on My sparring skills(I'm a novice muy thai fighter, just starting out), or helping Me study for an exam by quizzing Me on data, or suprising Me with a tea on an all night study grind. I suppose tributes have their place in the echelon of the D/s dynamic though, and as long as there are those that demand it, there will be those that will pay it.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 7:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge We have had some posters here who have contributed to the discussion with an explanation of why they feel as they do, and tried to convey the intellectual basis of how they feel. Care to join us? Cheers, Sea Yes, I have enjoyed reading other's views regarding tribute.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mysti Fast Reply I think a tribute is great if youre already in the relationship. For Me though I'd like it to be something useful. I dont need My subs money, I'd rather have him help me in some way thats out of his ordinary service. Perhaps coming to the gym with me and helping me with working on My sparring skills(I'm a novice muy thai fighter, just starting out), or helping Me study for an exam by quizzing Me on data, or suprising Me with a tea on an all night study grind. I suppose tributes have their place in the echelon of the D/s dynamic though, and as long as there are those that demand it, there will be those that will pay it. Yes, I agree, I had My slave come and tend to My extensive gardens for a few days work this week, no fee erm tribute involved. Pics uploaded in My profile! I love putting My subs on display, literally :) lol. If I find a submissive has exceptional use's a friendly arrangement will suffice, My decision, but a rarity I may add, as most subs do not cut the grade. So I do have a few lifestyle subs, that do not tribute, but those I accept for session always. I do not demand tribute, as I do not approach submissive's, submissive's contact Me. I have no need to tout for trade, or inflict My presence via a mailbox, as I only perform live sessions/scene's, so that narrows it down ever so slightly.

undergroundsea -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:06:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos All beginning paths are delicate, and those who love are seldom free of the possibility of severance. While that statement in itself is a fair one, I don't think it describes the basis for tribute in the context I discuss. For clarity, my definition of tribute in the discussion above is not a gift nor compensation for professional services, but material items given simply per a demand to initiate or sustain contact. quote: As for required tributes, I feel one need only observe them if one so chooses. Mistresses and Masters have many ways of discerning worth from a sea of nonsense; that one prefers a standard, stripe or seal and yet another proxy by coin is perfectly within the right of the individual, and we should not look down upon any standard, so long as it is made clear. We are all responsible to ourselves for the gateways we create, just as those who walk through them are responsible for choosing to do so. Fair enough. I agree that I exercise my choice to not participate in a tribute-based relationship, and those who do exercise a similar choice. I think my explanation of why the idea of tribute does not appeal to me is fair for this discussion. And I think this exchange is useful for those seeking broader D/s relationships that rely on mutual attraction, for this discussion reveals how the question of tribute affects some who seek such broader relationships. Regarding your statement about not judging a standard, I connect with it and yet I don't. In general I practice or, at least, aspire towards a live and let live philosophy. Some tribute may be driven by an expression of dominance and submission. Some tribute may be driven by practical considerations. Some tribute may be driven by greed and an intention to unfairly exploit. The first two can ask to be accepted without judgment, the third not as much. I appreciate the originality and eloquence in your writing. Cheers, Sea

Aneirin -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:07:09 PM)
So it would seem there are different types of Dommes,the ones I seek are here,which is refreshing to know,people with a similar mind.I can however accept the others and their need,they will always find what they seek,and good luck to them,I bear no ills,but it is not for me.If I desired to meet a professional,I could indeed do that in my own city not look here.

MistressRouge -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:16:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So it would seem there are different types of Dommes,the ones I seek are here,which is refreshing to know,people with a similar mind.I can however accept the others and their need,they will always find what they seek,and good luck to them,I bear no ills,but it is not for me.If I desired to meet a professional,I could indeed do that in my own city not look here. On the contrary I have no need(s), the fulfillment of My submissive's needs are paramount personally to Me, and will always be. I have the opportunity to do what I do for a living, not only for moneytary gain, but to have the rewarding enthusiasm and provide what many seek, and wish to explore, aswell as a lifestyle. Many here just see the $ £ factor, I know My ideals and what I believe in, I need not justify what I do, or indulge in to suit others judgements. Regards, Mistress Roug'e.

undergroundsea -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:20:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer Money really doesn't help to determine who you'll really enjoy spending time with down the road as your collared submissive. A solid basis of friendship, mutual liking and common interests surely does. I think one's perspective about tribute heavily depends on the relationship primarily sought. It seems tribute is less relevant for broader relationships that lean towards companionship, and more relevant for relationships that are based on play alone. Cheers, Sea

Najakcharmer -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 8:30:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea I think one's perspective about tribute heavily depends on the relationship primarily sought. It seems tribute is less relevant for broader relationships that lean towards companionship, and more relevant for relationships that are based on play alone. Well yeah, but when your whip arm gets tired and you actually have to TALK to the person you're with, what then? I've had some good play relationships with a few people who don't fit regularly into my gamer geek, boffer sword fighting, con going lifestyle since that's not their thing. But we still get along and have things to talk about, and they're still people I fundamentally enjoy being around whether we're in the middle of scening or not. I guess if you just scene with someone, then kick them out immediately and go relax and socialize with your friends, it doesn't matter what you have in common. But I can't really envision that, personally. Part of the fun for me is exploring another human mind and personality, and if I don't like or don't know that mind and personality, I don't think I'd really get anything out of dominating them.

undergroundsea -> RE: Tribute (4/12/2007 9:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer Well yeah, but when your whip arm gets tired You can pop in a movie while that person massages your arm! ;-) I know what you mean. All my play relationships have been based on mutual interest and attraction. Cheers, Sea

MiladyAngelique -> RE: Tribute (4/14/2007 2:12:21 AM)
ok I have decided from now on I am asking for a tribute .... but with a twist, it must be in neopoints or neopian items g

DiannaVesta -> RE: Tribute (4/14/2007 6:53:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer What I don't get is the part about weeding out the sincere from the jerk-offs. That's easy. I make friends first. Any potential sub who is relaxed enough to just enjoy chatting about mutual non kink interests and building a relationship of real friendship without immediately pressing for kinky sex or play is a keeper in my book. Money really doesn't help to determine who you'll really enjoy spending time with down the road as your collared submissive. A solid basis of friendship, mutual liking and common interests surely does. The tribute I want? Join my gaming group and play a few sessions. Offer up entertaining intellectual exchanges on subjects we are both passionate about. Share your creative work. Be friendly, relaxed and interested in getting to know me as a human being. Make a friend. Now you're on my "A" list of extremely desirable potential play partners. Smart, self-confident, intelligent and interesting geeky gamer boys are hot to play with, they fit into my existing lifestyle and social circles, and also they're fun to spend time with even when they're not tied up and writhing under the whip. Money can't make someone compatible with me who isn't. So why is money even a factor in determining who you might really enjoy as a submissive? I mean, WTF? Eventually your whip arm is going to get tired and you are going to end up gasp TALKING to the guy you've been playing with. If you have absolutely nothing in common to talk about and can't spend time with him without being bored silly, how much hotness is your next scene going to have? There are excellent points in this post… I’m not sure I would just casually hang out, per se but I always tell potential subs, “friends first”. I also tell them to keep everything in perspective because the journey could change at any time. That regardless of what happens, or doesn’t happen; we each walk away happy having met. I have a few sub males I remain friends throughout the years and the protocol is always there. We seek comfort in that and it’s a good thing. My web sites and phone sessions is not my sole source of income but they are very personal venues for me. In order to keeps the free site going I work on another site that is members only. If someone tells me they worship and adore me, that they want to be my slave then the very first thing I would expect them to do is support my work. If they took some time to learn about me (most don’t) they would realize my commitments and prove their devotion by supporting what is important to me. Call it tribute, call it a fee, and call it whatever you want but I’ve been in this game a very long time. You have hundreds at the starting gate and you’re damn lucky if one finishes. That’s the damn truth and anyone that tells me differently has no idea what they are talking about OR they just got damn lucky. I have a very clear cut method and if they don’t like it they can move on. Join my site and spend time being active. Invest time understanding my world. You will pay me to speak to me on the phone. Plain and simple. If I had a dime for every man that wasted my time for “I wanna be your slave really” shit I would be a millionaire. The most important thing for me is consistency and if a man stays focused for at least 3 months, follows instructions, works hard, etc. then you bet your ass he’ll be at my door for a trial run or I’ll fly to meet him. Like I said you have 100’s at the starting gate and if you’re lucky one will meet the finish line. So if after a few weeks he decides its too much for him I don’t feel like I’ve wasted my time or that I was used. I really hate this and won’t do it any more. If a male can not make me a priority in his world and prove it then he will never exist in my life.

MissSCD -> RE: Tribute (4/14/2007 7:01:24 AM)
A tribute is not allowed on this site. I had a Domme ask my slave for a tribute because he saved its profile to his favorites for me to look at. When I saw it, I knew it was a scam. When my slave said no to the tribute, it called him a pig. I was furious. I reported it to Collarme, and it is still here. Then when I confronted it, it called me a pig as well. Financial Domination is another name for prostitution, and it is illegal. Regards, MissSCD

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