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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 7:25:15 AM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

i see easily, how it may seem this way.

the offer was made for real time origionally, but moved to online over a period of time to "prove himself" was more of D's idea - so that all three of us can know that we are all in it - and none of us are creeps or trolls

boy DOES know there is NO chance for sex/scene/etc. boy DOES know that after the course of the 2 months, further spoiling etc WILL be discussed [including but not limited to: chauffeuring, errands, cleaning with or FOR me/helping me prepare for dates/escort etc.]

i do hope to build a slave like companionship, where i am the superior, but not a Domme.

boy will in fact receive things in return: for every item purchased he in return gets a pic of me in it and a "command/training" of how i like things done in this house if he wishes to visit at the end of two months.

boy DOES know although this situation may last long term, it is NOT permanent.

this is the actual formal proposal boy recieved:


dear G***, if you wish to pamper - this is how it will be:

over the course of 2 months, you will prove yourself worthy via online shopping. acceptable items include: bondage gear, dresses & shoes. nothing over the value of $50. for every item received you in return will get one photo and one command or training request.

you will be expected to purchase something every two weeks [4 items], and for them to arrive timely. you will go by the name "boy" until you are deemed worthy at which point you may take back your own name or be renamed by myself.

i will be your alpha slave, not your Domme. under my guidance you will receive practical training which will please me, and my Master. there is not time to be wasted on sexual denial, punishment, or trivial requests. this is a practical household and only practicality will be permitted. you will answer to be as the superior slave, and when in the House to D if He so desires. Anything at anytime may be ammended or changed by D.

when you receive this email you are to notify me and will be granted 48 hours from when you read this to accept our proposals. only when you are deemed worthy will further activities of "pampering" be discussed.

Do you read this clearly boy?


the only thing he is possibly "deceived" on is my belief in natural order. while he knows i believe in it, he does not know that by letting him spoil me i am in fact exploiting my own belief that he is lower than me [although me being alpha is clear] .. i do plan on sharing that today though.

edit to add- he found me, i did not approach him.




You say your aren't his domme until you are blue in the face. That letter implies differently. You'll be acting as domme, but using a different title. My .02

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 7:32:00 AM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		Natural order aside...
 
If he is stupid enough to put himself in this situation, I suppose you could take advantage of it. But I agree, what goes around comes around. And when it's your turn, will you be as graceful as he is? It's one thing to have a tribute dominantion step-up. It's entirely another to deliberately exploit someone. I don't think it looks good on anyone.

If you can exploit one person, you can exploit another. Such things get easier every time. Ask yourself how willing you are to get started on that path.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 7:38:41 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		I wonder.......of those that say she should do this. How would they react if it was the other way around and it was her that was being used and he that was taking advantage. Would you keep the same tone and say to just use her because she asks for it? Or would most of the hypocrits show themselves for who and what they are? Hmmmmm.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 5:03:57 PM   
mp072004


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Status: offline 		Does this gentleman deserve to enjoy a relationship (of any kind) with you? Absolutely not. It's hardly a right that he could earn on absolute merit, and likewise you couldn't earn the right to enjoy a relationship with him on absolute merit.

But if you and this gentleman agree that you want to develop a relationship of a particular kind, and you're both willing to have that particular kind of relationship, and you can do so ethically, then you may have that relationship. I still wouldn't say that you "deserve" it, or he "deserves" it, but you have something he wants, and he has something you wants, so you and he have each attracted and merited one another's attention. Does that make sense?

I can see that you might have a problem with the idea of enjoying a relationship in which you are the greater authority at the same time as you enjoy a relationship in which you are the lesser authority. I know you're not defining this as switching--which is fine--but you might ask switches for advice. You might also think of your life more broadly--you're likely in a position of authority relative to somebody, (subordinate co-workers? younger siblings?) and this presumably hasn't destroyed your ability to submit to your dominant. Likely you have developed tactics to transition from greater to lesser authority, probably without knowing it, as most people, even those who don't organize their relationships according to d/s, have those skills. Becoming more conscious of your abilities to organize hierarchy (and your comfort with moving about in authoritative hierarchies) will likely help you decide whether entering this relationship would be desirable.

By the way, I noticed in your profile that you're looking for people (and presumably, BDSM groups?) in your area. If you like, send me an email on here--I'm reasonably well acquainted with groups around Boston, and I could give you some group names and email addresses.

Monica

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:12:29 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		Stephann raises some excellent points.

While you do not deem yourself his "Domme", and call yourself a "superior slave", you are, in truth, acting as a Domme, even if it's only relative to the extremely low rank he's been assigned.  However you term it, should you accept, you also accept responsiblities equivalent to those of a Dom, including the responsiblity to ensure those who are below you are acting in an appropriate manner.  If you insist you are truly a slave, and your Master is his true owner, then your Master gains such a responsibilty, and he is liable for exploiting this fellow if such exploitation is undue.

People can not always control themselves.  As Stephann pointed out, crack addicts- and, I would like to point out, a sex addiction, and need to be dominated, is no light issue.

While I do not mean to be insulting in any way, it is alerting.  It truly appears you're weighing his bribes against your values and conscience.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:16:29 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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Status: offline 		your need to use him is natural.

It is easy to dominate without emotion or care of his needs.

I personally enjoy being massaged and bathed by female sub and do not feel in any manner that it is anything but servitude to Me.

Communicate your desires to him and proceed as it will always be there until explored.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:19:00 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicoushence the willingness to exploit HIS willingness - [even though it is a win-win situation]


How is it exploitation when it is something he will consent to?

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:20:10 PM   
MsParados


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Status: offline 		If someone is asking to be used, is it a bad thing to fullfill that desire, if it is in us to do so? I don't think it is. But it certainly sounds more like a fetish on all sides than an actual part of identity.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:20:56 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicousdo you mean, degrading for him to spoil me, OR degrading for him if i took it a step further in the N.O. direction?


you are feeling your need to top come out...

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:23:32 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous
over the course of 2 months, you will prove yourself worthy via online shopping. acceptable items include: bondage gear, dresses & shoes. nothing over the value of $50. for every item received you in return will get one photo and one command or training request.


This is hooking plain and simple

Service exchanged for monitary gain.

Tributes..not just for Dommes anymore.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:26:01 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

well, the tribute factor comes into play upon his own suggestion.

 
So basicly you are for rent correct?
 
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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:27:37 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicousi know that he does not believe in natural order like i do. he also knows i believe him to be less than me because he is shedding his natural right as a dominant male.




He is basicly doing the same thing as going to blockbuster to use a dvd for his pleasure.

you may wish to smarten up your renatal agreement as not to be popped for solicitation

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:29:18 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous
 in the long run if i DID have Domme tendencies which were never identified, wouldnt this make my relationship worse also? !


The fact that the agreement preamble was written by you and not your dom takes you out of the subbie role and into the top role.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:32:57 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

i will not deny the fact that i do look down on male submission, as is my right to. i do not look down on him as a person and when i use the word pathetic is in regards to his status.

How is it anymore pathetic than your positioning?...smacks of the kettle calling the pot black...


it is my right to believe women belong at the feet of men and the men who dismiss this privelage are in fact pathetic even if their personality is 100% awesome. it is just my belief system.

Not pathetic but in the great scheme of things it is within your natural order...seems your ploy is flawed...
 
So would you grant the notion you are flawed and pathetic and deserve no rights as you belong at the feet of a Dom?




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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:36:49 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

no of course not, these are HIS ideas which were ammended to fit MY needs. the spending is only required for a short amount of time and is not expected long term


slaves and subbies have no needs as they practice servitude not demand it.

The fact that you seek monitary gain is only on the job training.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 10:38:17 PM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

some people have the ability to move more quickly. i will admit i was confused in the beginning but i have had a strong realization about my place, his place, and my place in permanent relation to my Master.


you are still learning and evolving....remind Me of this conversaton a year from now.

Ross
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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/4/2007 11:58:43 PM   
tulipgoose


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Status: offline 		An Alpha slave is Dominant..... just... without tossing aside their need to primarily be submissive. Kind of like front end supervisor at a store under a manager but above the typical cashier. Since a manager cannot do it all, nor can the front end supervisor complete all tasks, the cashier gets all the more trivial things done and makes life "easier" for all else involved by accomplishing the less pretty tasks. Do you desire the ability to be Dominant. Do you desire such a relationship in which you would be Dominant to another person? If you believe in "Natural Order" would it not be more along the lines of your beliefs to help this "boy" in question find his Dominant nature? Finances are NEVER just cause for doing something on a different line from your belief system.  Personally I do not by any means believe in what has been declared "Natural Order" in this thread...... I also have a bit of a negative view on tribute situations. The thing is if it is what you, your Master and this "boy" want, well, bring a greater happiness upon yourselves by following through...... Just be sure it lines up with your beliefs, or else, perhaps redefine and align those beliefs a bit as need be.....

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/5/2007 7:22:33 PM   
arayofsunshine55


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Status: offline 		Degradation. Humiliation.  Have you always been an emotional sadist?  'Cause you seem to be getting quite a sadistic glee out of the situation.  Are you ready to embrace that in yourself?  Look it squarely in the face without subterfuge?  If so, join the club.

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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/6/2007 7:20:40 AM   
SirDiscipliner69


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ORIGINAL: arayofsunshine55

Degradation. Humiliation.  Have you always been an emotional sadist? 


Interesting topic...

I have always been more open to physical sadism rather than emotional sadism as the mind is something that might as readily be able to heal it self.

Repression of some subject or event is not the same as closure and begining a healing process.

What forms other than the mentioned do you participate and how do you proceed by ritual systematic approach?

Ross
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RE: natural order and male slaves pampering owned females - 4/6/2007 11:03:12 AM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		thanks all for the replies, took me a few days to get back here - there are a few going to get CMail from me too.

well i will still hold true to my position and beliefs, and rights.

when D tells me i am pathetic, i will agree.

boy needless to say chickened out but we still chat, so its ok.

i am used in the same ways as i would use him. no, i dont see anything wrong with monetary gain, and i kinda like it. providing and theoretically receiving. such is my place, to provide comforts.

yes it is possible i am emotionally sadistic.

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