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RE: pederastry Good and Evil - 4/3/2007 5:41:38 PM   
kiyari


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOLOLOLOL,

Ja, the fear factor in this one gotta be right up there  with eating stir fried  cockroaches al dente----- especially since these heathen have slaughtered and converted millions of people since the crusades----

Hey wait a minute, don't these rot in hell bastards believe in the same god that the christians do?


Uh oh------------

Ron

I think the only real difference here is that pedastery is given to the masses in islam and  reserved for the hiearchy of the catholic church on the christian side



You are EVILLL, Sir *stifling guffaws*, to have... erm... condensed this so laypersonly comprehensibly (doubtless those last 2 not really woids)

Correction: "comprehensibly" IS a woid

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 6:10:35 PM   
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It our culture ( this site alone would be justification enough for them to bomb you ) They do not want to co exist, they want you and me to convert to Islam or die. 

Where exactly are you getting your information from?


 
Are you denying that Radical islam wants to erase the west? I use their own writings as sources..



Pretty much what a lot of radical Christians want to do as well.  I use their own writings as sources...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9163/error

Same sport, different letterman jacket.

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The vast majority of followers of Islam dont live anywhere near the middle east.  Additionally, the vast majority of followers of Islam are not hate-filled, anti-West fundamentalists.  Ever stop to think that there might be a reason the people in the Middle East hate the West which has nothing to do with our culture?


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Oh you must be referring to "moderate muslims"

It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream Islamic teaching accepts and promotes violence. Shariah, for example, allows apostates to be killed, permits beating women to discipline them, seeks to subjugate non-Muslims to Islam as dhimmis and justifies declaring war to do so. It exhorts good Muslims to exterminate the Jews before the "end of days." The near deafening silence of the Muslim majority against these barbaric practices is evidence enough that there is something fundamentally wrong.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009890
 


I am not.

The link you gave discussed various beliefs associated with fundamentalist muslims in the Middle East.

I was pointing out that the vast majority of muslims live in Indonesia.   To make a comment that "most" muslims ascribe to the beliefs in the link you provided is rather ignorant.

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I see your a we must have started this first guy, So in your opinion what would stop the islamic terrorists then? I mean short of the defeat the US now strategy the Libs want to employ.



I didnt start anything, but thanks for making that point.

We are already defeated in Iraq.  The Republicans are too dumb to see that occupying a hostile country requires a lot more weapons and money and lives and effort than the US has available.  The British learned this in India.  The Soviets learned this in Afghanistan.  A lot of us learned this lesson in Vietnam.  Monkeyboy hired almost everybody in his administration from a bunch of craven weasels who avoided ever serving in that war. 

I have a lot of ideas of how to start fixing the problem.  However, there is a historical animosity dating back thousands of years for both Christian / Muslim animosity, as well as Shi'a / Sunni Muslim animosity, that would have to be overcome.

Then you have the 60 or some odd years of animosity which invading Palestine and resettling western Jews, and all the associated B.S. that came about from that which has to be overcome.

Gandhi had a lot of success in utilizing principles of non-violence to overcome historical animosities between the British, Hindus, and Muslims.  The easiest thing in the world to do is to dehumanize and slaughter your enemies.  It is a lot more difficult to go up to somebody you hate and fear and find common ground so you can both live in peace.

From what I have read of your postings, you seem to think the only solution to the problems in the Middle East is similar to what Nazi Germany's called the (Endlosung) Final Solution.

I am a little puzzled why you arent over there doing the job you promote yourself.  It must feel very safe and easy for you to bounce up and down on your barcalounger, with Faux News on the Boob Tube, and rant about the need for more killing and violence as long as other people are doing it for you.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 6:36:19 PM   
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Rob,

Arabs have rarely made good soldiers, Persian's aren't Arabs.  Besides, the whole point of this thread which you clearly missed isn't that Iran will be a difficult threat in a conventional way.

They will ramp up Hezbollah against the Israelis, they will no longer have to be subtle or circumspect in their behavior in Iraq.  Arming the Iraqi insurgents with AA missles will counter our primary advantage, that of close air support.  We move everything we can now by air.

As for the Russians and the Chinese, it has nothing to do with arms sales and everything to do with oil and long term geopolitical strategy.


Wrong and wrong.

If the Iranian government falls, money and arms will no longer be going to Hezbollah. It wont take much to collapse that government either. Their air defences is absolutely no match for American military technology. Not a match at all even with the upgraded systems from Russia and China.

There is currently not a military on this planet that can challange the United States in the air or at sea. The US has air and naval supremacy....the US-British alliance only intensifies that supremacy.

And as for Russia and China, they are not eternal allies with Iran. They won't defend Iran or Syria. In fact, they voted against Iran last week in the Security Council because the Iranian government didn't pay the bill for the weapons they bought. Russia and China are two very selfish governments. They don't care about anyone else but their own economies right now. Russia's economy is still struggling, and China is a developing nation. They are both more worried about money than allies right now.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 7:18:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Pretty much what a lot of radical Christians want to do as well.  I use their own writings as sources...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9163/error


Why don't you try again. That link goes to a flaky opinion piece that does nothing but blatantly attack Christians, not at all what you tried to claim it was.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 8:05:02 PM   
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Yes Ladies and Gentleman, This Idea is one and the same. Put a Suitcase nuke on top of the kabba stone in Mecca and then dare the muslims to fuck with us!

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 9:34:36 PM   
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Come on, I am starting to feel bad picking on you!

I mean you not only responded to my post, you QUOTED this part...

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  Besides, the whole point of this thread which you clearly missed isn't that Iran will be a difficult threat in a conventional way.


And you are STILL talking about conventional military...which I was clearly NOT talking about.
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There is currently not a military on this planet that can challange the United States in the air or at sea. The US has air and naval supremacy....the US-British alliance only intensifies that supremacy.


Uhm, no shit but as I said above, we aint talking conventional war.  As the disaster in Iraq and the looming one in Afghanistan clearly show, UNconventional warfare aint exactly our strong point, at least not under the incopetence Bush administration.

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And as for Russia and China, they are not eternal allies with Iran. They won't defend Iran or Syria. In fact, they voted against Iran last week in the Security Council because the Iranian government didn't pay the bill for the weapons they bought. Russia and China are two very selfish governments. They don't care about anyone else but their own economies right now. Russia's economy is still struggling, and China is a developing nation. They are both more worried about money than allies right now.


China has no worries about money, China has worries about oil.  Neither China nor Russia are looking to Iran as an ally, they are looking to fuck the West out of oil for the same purely selfish reasons that we invaded Iraq.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 9:37:45 PM   
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China don't need our fuckin money they own ooooooooooooooddddddddddles of our green.

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we are worrying constantly that they are gonna dump it to get more of the oil.


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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 11:06:24 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Pretty much what a lot of radical Christians want to do as well.  I use their own writings as sources...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9163/error


Why don't you try again. That link goes to a flaky opinion piece that does nothing but blatantly attack Christians, not at all what you tried to claim it was.


For those of you paying attention, the link I was responding to was one which blatantly attacked muslims.

Sinergy

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/3/2007 11:45:22 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		So you are saying that if we attack Iran that China and Russia will declare war or help the Iranians?
I doubt it. Selling of weapons to Iran is now illegal under Security Council resolution that both China and Russia agreed to and voted for. So I really don't know what you are trying to say is going to happen here. I mean if Russia and China were both obsessed in protecting Iran, why would they vote to suspend weapons sales to Tehran?

As for the war, the US isn't going to invade with ground troops, at least not anytime soon. The first phase will be bombing of Iranian government buildings, total destruction of the Iranian air force and air defences, and we may drop some bunker-busters on suspected nuclear weapons sites. This may or may not fold the government, but it knocks most of their teeth out. It will limit their military power to ground forces only and set their nuclear program back many years. Perhaps that is enough time for there to be some new political leadership in that country to take hold. Amadinejad has been recieving a lot of criticism lately. If he ends up starting a war, he may be overthrown.

We will go to war with Iran eventually. It's inevitable. Im just surprised it hasn't happened yet. They have committed multiple acts of war against the United States and our allies going back to 1979. But a ground invasion is a last resort and I don't see that as a real possibility until maybe 5-10 years down the road depending on what happends. Hopefully Iraq is stable by then.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/4/2007 7:21:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		cyberdude,

I appologize for picking on you.  It is clear that debating you isn't fair so I will just say "yes, I agree completely with you and everything Tony Snow says..."


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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/4/2007 10:25:42 PM   
kiyari


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China don't need our fuckin money they own ooooooooooooooddddddddddles of our green.

Ron

we are worrying constantly that they are gonna dump it to get more of the oil.



My understanding is that they have none of our green just oodles of IOUs from our "bond sales" which is to say, where we [well, not as in 'we the people' so do not make such a silly presumption] give IOUs and if any buyer is so naive as to buy in then our "Federal Reserve" [not to be mistaken as any 'Federal' agency despite their use of "Federal" in their name] gets to print out equivalent quantity of USA not-backed-by-anything "green"...

erm, forgot where I was going with this :(

Don't worry, Be happy! [bleh]

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/5/2007 12:36:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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So unless your willing to convert be prepared to confront these Islamic terrorists.



Aren't you saying the exact same thing that you're claiming they're saying i.e. "it's either us or them?



I wouldnt say that the west has a exterminate all those who dont have the same religion/ economic / belief as us approach. But I have read on numerous occasions this idea posted from the Islamic point of view.



Sternhand, I was replying to your "unless you're willing to convert comment" as opposed to the West in general.

You're dealing in absolutes here. The idea that there is a clash of culture/civilisation. Hitler would agree with you - a clash of culture between Germans and Slavs. In a different way, Pol Pot was also dealing in absolutes when he slaughtered millions of the middle class and intelligensia. When you so resolutely believe an absolute i.e. it's either us or them, then there is the danger that you will do anything to achieve your goal, justified by the end result. Pol Pot justified his means with the notion that the people could never be free unless he wiped out bourgeios society. In a similar vein, you believe that the US has to "confront" Islam to remain free (the alternative being converting to Islam).

Ultimately, your argument is ill-conceived because of the following:

1) Installing US friendly governments around the world, and imposing Western values on a sovereign nation, is inconsistent with the notion of freedom (the freedom you believe you're safeguarding through confrontation).
2) The majority of Muslims in the Middle East are more concerned about fundamentalism than most of us because they have to live with it.
3) Saying you have heard the viewpoint on numerous occasions doesn't really amount to anything. What? 10 times, 20 times? Not even a drop in the ocean.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 2:13:58 PM   
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Briefly, as I have about three minutes to spit this out, most Arabs couldn't care less what we do.  Some will care.  Some will prefer to drink coke, others tea.  We speak in broad sweeping terms about 'them' and us.  These same terms are used by those in power both there and here; the average farmer or shop keeper or cafe owner doesn't care about this website, Britney Spears, or Kermit the Frog.  He cares about feeding his kids, and having a little left over to buy something nice for the wife.  It isn't 'them' that is the problem, it is those who profit most from civil strife and disorder that ensure there is terrorism.  Fanatics are less concerned about 'their' cause, and more concerned with having 'a' cause. 

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 2:38:19 PM   
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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 3:24:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		so what else is new?    iraq and afghanastan were bad ideas too   LOL

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 7:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sir i would think iran is a bad idea because we don't have the troops to start another war or whatever they would like call it.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 7:44:48 PM   
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Afghanistan was a brilliant idea and if we had spent 1/10 of what we have wasted in Iraq there, Al Queda would now be a footnote in history.

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 9:21:47 PM   
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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 10:36:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		To sum up the 20th century...WWII was about whether most of Europe was going to live under Nazi Socialist fascism or Soviet Communist fascsim. Islam colaborated with the Nazis in a big way...oil for one. Fools

Then the cold war was about whether the world was going to live under Soviet Communist Imperialism or Western Capitalist Imperialism.

In this century we are now in a struggle over whether the world is going to live under Islamic Religious fascism or Western Capitalist fascism. (an Ayn Rand world where there are no truths not discovered by an exchange of wealth in the pursuit of a profit)

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RE: Why Iran is a very very bad idea - 4/7/2007 11:23:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr. Rodgers,  Islam today couldn't defeat the frigging Italians or the French.  Only cowards fear them.

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