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CreativeDominant -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/3/2007 6:34:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
One of my clients just discovered that they left a sponge in when they did her tummy tuck 3 years ago. She's been sick for those three years. Matter of fact, she just had a portion of her face removed because the bacteria was eating it away. She recently fainted in the ladies room at JFK Airport. It wasn't until this point that they figured out what had happened. She told me that the Xray of her abdomen looks like she was shot with buckshot. They're apparently going to have to remove a lot of things in there. Luckily for her, she works for a great company. They put heron paid medical leave and told her to go get healthy. A lot of companies would have fired her for the amount of time she's missed.


As an RN   i find that a surgical sponge was left in the patient...they have these neato rings sewn to every single fabric  or other wise xray invisable object that goes into the or.....how it went 3 years with out being foudn is difficult....they do NOT CLOSE a surgical wound and call it a day until all the counts are done and matched....but that is here in america....in the land of the free and the home of the brave....perhaps your friend went out of the country for a "bargain?" 

but that is just my humble opinion...it annoys and bothers me when someone puts fears into people regrding such things regarding surgeries....do infections happen?  YES during my gallbladder I had the darn scar bust open on post op day 9 and leave quite a mess upon my floor 

red


They don't do things like leave sponges in patients?  Surgery is not something to be seriously considered in America?

From:  http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/american%20health%20system2.htm

"It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown ... is 783,936. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.". 
The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.
The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million."
 
I'd also like to direct people to the following article:
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/aug2006_report_death_01.htm
 
Medicine has made many advances and there are many wonderful things about medical science.  However, to deny that surgey is serious and that complications and even death occur is wrong.

 
 






MasterGremlin -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/3/2007 6:42:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Wouldn't breast implants rule out breast play/torture/bondage/beating etc??

i would prefer someone to value me for who i am - but i wouldn't be totally opposed to it - especially if they paid for it [;)]


I asked that same question and I guess part depends on which type of implant and how the implant is done (over the muscle vs under the muscle).  Even so, I think it would have to be something very traumatic (like a serious accident) to actually injure/puncture an implant, but it is something to definately discuss with the plastic surgeon. 


There seems to be quite a few who have illuded to or outright stated that plastic surgery would be and insult or mean that Master/Mistress didn't love them (ie: He/She thinks I am beautiful/loves me just the way I am)

I have to say, at least for me it isn't that way at all.  Master constantly tells me how gorgeous He thinks I am, both inside and outside and after 9 years with Him, I'm pretty confident the size of my breasts aren't a condition of His love.   I do what pleases Him.   I shave my pubic hair because He said it was something He liked.  I never would have considered piercings if it wasn't something that He said turned Him on so now I have my navel, hood and nipples pierced and He is talking about getting my lips pierced as well.  These weren't things I had thought about or necessarily wanted but got them done and now enjoy them very much.  He likes blonde hair, so instead of dishwater blonde, I am blonde and I like it.  He also likes long hair and not short.  He wants me to get tattood (and I will as soon as He finds an artist He likes)  and He likes me to not wear panties, wear short skirts, tops with no bras.....  Do all of these things mean that He doesn't think I am beautiful 'just the way I am'?  no, it just means those are things He happens to like.  It is my desire to please Him in these ways that show Him I love Him and that extends to cosmetic surgery. 

I can most certainly respect those who are concerned about the risks and I would hope anyone getting any type of surgery would find out what the risks are and weigh them against any benifits.  It is only prudent.   But I don't think that Master/Mistress wanting you to get something done means they don't love you or think you are beautiful. It just means they like whatever it is they want done and have honored their most prized posession with having it done.

Cordially,
minxy[:)]



justinedoll -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/3/2007 7:06:12 PM)

the problem is for me, when partner will expect me to take hormones and to have the implants :-)



AquaticSub -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/3/2007 7:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shatteringlilium


And because I'm in adisagreeable mood today, actually, breast implants CAN cause a woman harm.  Especially since the FDA said it's OK to use sillicone again, which was just freakin' STUPID (why, FDA, why?  You use dto be so reputable after the Elixer Sulfanilamide incident).  Not all women get huge boosts of self esteem or feel prettier.  I would just feel even worse that I had to get sacs of goo inserted into my tits to make someone want me.


The last time I checked, there was no solid proof that silicone is actually likely to leak and cause problems. *shrug* They look and feel better. If you are vain enough to open up your breast and shove things inside, you might as well go for what looks the best.



MzMia -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/3/2007 7:38:34 PM)

I had minor plastic surgery about 9 years ago.  I am not going into details because that is not anyone's business.
I am very happy with what I had done, it is very natural and things worked out well.
No it was not my boobies, I like them the way they are![;)]
I plan on having one or two more procedures as I go along in life.
I am doing this FOR me, and FOR me alone.
We live in an era that a lot can be done to make people attractive, it is up to each individual what they want or
can afford to have done, or not done.
To each his own.
Many of us are glad that these procedures are available.
[:D]



onestandingstill -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 12:47:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou

Due to circumstance beyond our control, still have not met my sub in person (hopefully this weekend), but he tells me he has a scar on his leg that is so bad his former domme preferred him to keep it covered. One thing i plan to do as i inspect him is to touch it, with my hands and mouth...let him know i accept him the way he is. I don't buy a book because of the cover, it's the good stuff inside that matters.

All our wrinkles, scars, sags and bags make us who we are. It might not seem so at 25 but at 40 i appreciate more than ever who i am and who i will continue to become.

What wonderful wisdom you've used here.
I agree the exterior of someone is only in their control to certain degrees. A person's heart and spirit is where their real beauty lies, not in how close they can resemble Ken or Barbie.
It must be exciting to be meeting your new sub. Good luck to you both,
suzanne



Wildfleurs -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 1:10:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive

From another thread about ren and stimpy..[sm=smile.gif]
 
I wonder.. subs/slaves.. would you alter your body in some way for a Master?   Has it ever come up?
 
Doms.. would you ever request/require it?
 


I certainly have done some body modification for my owner - the brand and piercings.  He's talked about a tattoo and other piercings in the future.  Without his desire to do these things it never would have occured to me to want to get my body modified in that manner.

I don't think he would want me to undergo surgery for him, but he has certainly said that he considers getting breast implants a form of submission because of the strong level of altering your body.  If I were to think hypothetically about it if he wanted me to get plastic surgery for him I would, but I would definitely need some work and help to get to the moment of being under the knife.

C~



LotusSong -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 1:31:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive

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ORIGINAL: spanklette

 
He asked me the other night if I would consider breast implants, in an off the cuff kind of manner. I said "No, why?" And, He said He was just making sure that I knew how naturally beautiful I was. Wow.

wow is right.. smiles..



Or it could have been a very good "save" :)  (but I doubt it) :)



CandleInTheWind -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 2:30:31 PM)

Plastic surgeries can include more than boob jobs and tummy tucks... again nose jobs, tatoos, honestly in my humble opinion anythign that permanently alters your bpody that you walk into a room with is plastic...and well once you break skin  it is surgery  in my mubmble opinion!

that being said... I still do not understand the "I would never do x y  or z  for someone that i may not be with for the rest of my days"   when i give myself  I give myself in my entirety...perhaps it is the early marriage and the length of marriage (19 years legally married and 19 when married)  But I actually believe that when i say till death due us part...granted it may not be actually physically death  but death of who we are as a relationship.  I have been in several relationships  one 2 year relationship and 1 one year relationship as well as a 6 year D/s relationship ( yes in both cases the gents were aware of the d/s relationship).  in all 3 cases i gave my all to them.

Had my Daddy wished me to cut my long locks to 1 inch spikes i would have....Snake was the man i was with duringn the breast reconstruction debacle, and well my last relationship was a unique one and yes in that case he said jump and i said how high..   as I said I am who i am...I walk the walk int he stilletto heels no matter how uncomfortable and how rocky the road.  For me my Daddy gave me my list of 3 rules: and from any of those i have belonged to since they have always been the same ones.

Rule number has always been to protect myself,  even if it is from my partner.  so i suppose that i weigh things differently than others.   For me, appreciating what it is that each of these individuals have brought into my life a small price of putting saline sacks into my chest wall for the appearance of normality isnt an issue.   Having a brand to me is no difference than the ring indent from my wedding band that lasted longer than my divorce did.  a tattoo...eh i really do not see a problem with it at all...i only have one hard limit though  when i get invovled with someone and they are all aware of it.   NO PERMANENT MARKS.  But then again I am not spewing "I will crawl across glass for the one that will have me," mantra. 

So perhaps this is a very GOOD topic to bring forth your true beliefs and thoughts before getting involved with someone and work on those hard limits.   I have had that leaving permanent mark limit broken only once and it was accidentally-a fire play scene gone a bit not perfect-leaving a small scar that i wear with pride....As i carry my mastectomy scars as badges of honor having fought in a war and come out to tell the tale.  just my little opinion and thank you for letting me share it.

red



CandleInTheWind -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 3:16:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind
As an RN   i find that a surgical sponge was left in the patient...they have these neato rings sewn to every single fabric  or other wise xray invisable object that goes into the or.....how it went 3 years with out being foudn is difficult....they do NOT CLOSE a surgical wound and call it a day until all the counts are done and matched....but that is here in america....in the land of the free and the home of the brave....perhaps your friend went out of the country for a "bargain?" 



I disapprove of your "bargain" statement, that was harsh and just not at all needed.

Actually, surgeries in the U.S. go wrong more often than the media or hospitals like to admit, especially during plastic surgery. Just because the regs say you're supposed to do something a certain way, doesn't mean the docs are going to follow the regs.  I work for an IRB - we know when physicians decide to ignore the rules.  We find out.  The FDA finds out first, usually.  And it becomes a really bad mark on their career.  Yet, there are still a lot of doctors and surgeons who don't like to follow the rules.  That's where audits come in.  And lawsuits.

The sad truth is, horrible mistakes are made all the time. 

Some references for you:

Thank you for your "research"  but as an RN in the state of NY and having been on the recieving end of mroe than 12 surgeries in the past 10 years i am fully aware of all the things that can and will go wrong.   I have had post op infections, had malpractice, incisional dehscinces, iv infiltration, intraoperative awareness before they came out with those neato machines that can tell if you are all the way anesthitised, had a "delayed awakening-6 hours post op in the ICU unit, I have seen the white light and come back and had a prenatal death...basically if it can happen  pretty much i have been ont he recieving end of it. And I still have faith that the medical professionals practicing in liscenced and properly monitored establishments we are able to at least have a good chance at health. 
 
When people go to "plastic surgery mills" they do not have the same potential for good results.
 
When i did my research for my second breast reconstruction i had  more and more offers of "facilities and doctors" that could do the "work" for half the cost that i was going to be charged by my local board certified surgeon, in a certified and liscenced operative facility....the one that would be available 24/7 for an indefinate amount of time, rather than take a flight to florida or a few other off the wall states have surgery be released to a hotel for 1 day and then go home.   Im my case I had 4 drains in my body for more than 3 weeks.  Even with the first surgery i had, the one that turned out alot less than satisfactory i developed a seroma and needed to have it aspirated several  times over the first 3 weeks.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=4329
Medical News Today article

This article basicallys says that surgical patients can have adverse effects from various hospital related things

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/medical_mishaps.shtml
Top 10 medical mishaps (far less reputable looking AND sounding, but these events occur)

This artical discusses "bargain plastic surgery mills/locations" i was referring to


http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=1127&id=40573
Unpeeling Cosmetic Surgery's Glossy Surface (this article would be better if she listed citations)
 
this artical discusses the risks

http://www.facs.org/ahp/proliab/1198b.html
The first HUGE paragraph under "Introduction" actually TALKS about surgical sponges.  And it's the American College of Surgeons website <3
this artical is more than 10 years old, and  is there for far out of date for discussive purposes at this timeIn my humble opinion. JCHO  has made significant strides with the help of families and clients willing to be open and honest rather than take the money and be quiet when suing a doctor.    It is very difficult to sue a doctor for malpractice   I know....I have tried without success.


Thank you for the articles I greatly appreciated reading them...and basically what they reminded me to do was to say...if youa re concidering havign any surgery  havign your mole removed...your tahtah tightened and lifted,  that annoying hemmorhoid taken care of be sure of who is at the controlls.....as your research showed,  anesthesia is the most important part of surgery  life and death is by far in the hands of the anesthesiologist.  you dont breathe, you don't live.  The facilitity that you have the procedure in is as well...your research showed that the majority of problems were in non hospital facilities...doctors frequently do minor procedures (which actually qualify as surgeries) in their offices and in those situations are more likely to have other than positive results.
 
and so my personal medical advice is   if you are goign to have surgery do your homework...research the doctors credentials...ask how many time they have done your particular procedure int he past 6 months, actually ask what can go wrong ( worst case scenarios..I plan for the worst hope for the best).  oh and this one is one that actually came up in the recovery room once.....when are you goign on vacation again?? (i had a doctor do a major abdominal/gynecological reconstruction and then told me in the recovery room that she was leaving that afternoon for 2 weeks)  yes it happens to us all....
 
I just wanted to say that in all the things that can go wrong the liklihood of having a surgical sponge in any body cavity for 3 years undetected especially when you friend had ongoing illness.  It is my hope that she has had all of the adhesions/ infection removed and that she is on her way to a speedy recovery.  

red RN



AquaticSub -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 3:47:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind
It is very difficult to sue a doctor for malpractice   I know....I have tried without success.




As the child of a doctor who was exposed to many phony and baseless lawsuits, I gotta cry "bullshit" on that. I worked in and around doctor's offices for many years - people are always looking for whatever excuse to sue the men and women in the white coats. There are some states where the malpractice insurance is so fucking high that there just aren't certain kinds of surgens. It's getting hard to have the same OBGYN as your delivery doctor because people are suing their delievery doctor for any ailement their baby has, regardless of if it was proven to be the fault of the doctor. It's so easy to win those cases too... you just have to bring in the baby or toddler, let the jury see how sad and pathetic is it and -boom- costs the doctor and hospital for nature just dealing a bad hand. It's gotten to the point of being simply disgusting.

Yes, I realize there are cases of genuine malpractice. And I definately think they should held accountable! But in this day and age, it's so fucking easy to sue a doctor or hospital... Sooner or later there is going to a huge shortage of medical practioners because they'll be paying so much for their malpractice, guarding their ass from their own patients so much (whose lives they are trying to improve or save) that an already physically, mentally, and emotionally draining job that takes you away from your family just about every day... it just won't be worth it anymore.



MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 4:31:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive

Doms.. would you ever request/require it?
 
Yes I would, depending on what I felt she needed to have improved.



LadySeraphina -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 4:38:16 PM)

I wouldn't. I might insist on an exercise regime, but I wouldn't require surgery just to improve an appearance.



SusanofO -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 6:07:46 PM)

Candle In The Wind, I think you are right, it pays to investigate the doctor who is performing the surgery. Many are reputable, good doctors. But I think there are probably some who figure they pay huge premiums for malpractice insurance, why not use it?

And then, some people just go to Mexico, because they can, many times, pay a lot less for surgery there. Some folks who do this undoubtedly get what they pay for, and in a not very good way, too. To top it off, they have a lot less legal recourse when the surgery goes bad, if it is done in a foreign country.

My little sister is a nurse, and I was thinking a few years ago of just having laser done on my face to make my skin appear smoother.

There is one plastic surgeon in my town, who is does a tremendous amount of business, and is extremely popular, as he also has a "spa" attached to his dermatology office that does things like facials, massages, etc. that a lot of people visit as well. I told my sister I was thinking of going to him for this procedure, and she told me not to do it.

She said she'd heard from a few people (one a former patient of his) that he made some occasional "mistakes" (supposedly accidental, but really maybe not very "accidental") during patients' surgeries, to increase his chances these people would have to come back to him for further surgery if he assured them they needed it, and that his error was "accidental" (to correct the "mistake", if for no other reason).

They weren't, supposedly, horribly disfiguring mistakes, but noticeable to the patients, nonetheless. Of course there is no way for his patients to prove he does this. I figure him doing this could work for him, as far as increasing his income, as often as it might not.

Needless to say, after I heard that, I post-poned my laser surgery at his office. There are plenty of other highly reputable doctors in town who can perform the same kind of laser surgery.

I am not saying he does that for certain, but what my sister said scared me enough to not want to go to him for surgery, because she hears a lot of "inside" medical practitioner information (and also just plain gossip) in town. Maybe some of it is legit, some not - but - not being an "insider" myself, I have no way of knowing, and decided to err on the side of caution. If he is doing this, he is already a millionaire several times over, and I just hope he can live with himself.   

- Susan   



shatteringlilium -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 9:33:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind

Thank you for your "research"  but as an RN in the state of NY and having been on the recieving end of mroe than 12 surgeries in the past 10 years i am fully aware of all the things that can and will go wrong.   I have had post op infections, had malpractice, incisional dehscinces, iv infiltration, intraoperative awareness before they came out with those neato machines that can tell if you are all the way anesthitised, had a "delayed awakening-6 hours post op in the ICU unit, I have seen the white light and come back and had a prenatal death...basically if it can happen  pretty much i have been ont he recieving end of it. And I still have faith that the medical professionals practicing in liscenced and properly monitored establishments we are able to at least have a good chance at health.  
 



I was pointing out that you had insinuated that someone had gotten a chopshop body mod job and paid the price.  I said that was unfair and that bad things happen.

To prove me wrong, you came back to me by mocking me, and then - um - pointing out all the bad things that happened to you.. in. .or because of.. surgery? Wait.  What? 

People still gets sponges left inside of them.  A friend of the family had a picece of metal had been broken off in her.  No one noticed until after it became infected.  Granted, not 3 years, but gee.  You would think metal would show up in the X-ray.

I'm sorry, but your RN status doesn't mean you're the instant authority on the bad things that happen in hospitals, and throwing the title at me isn't going to change my mind.  It just makes me think you're angry that I contradicted you and you're defensive.  Bearing in mind no one said "oh, it happens on a daily basis" - it just happens more than the medical community would readily admit to.

Plus, you're awfully biased to your opinions, as is obvious when you assumed it's hard to win a malpractice suit because you didn't win yours.  Unfortunately, that isn't true.

And you're throwing in the generalization of Florida having bad plastic surgery clinics. o.O That was painfully random and you didn't back it up with anything (not even a 10 year old article >P)

Working for an IRB (for those who have no fucking clue, an IRB is an Institutional Review Board; we protect the rights and welfare of human research subjects) I get to read all the wonderful forms and warnings that are given to subjects, and some that aren't.  We also get all the beautiful adverse event notices, which do include investigator (doctor) malpractice.  We also get FDA forms that are basically black marks against doctors who break regulation or make really, really bad mistakes.  You'd be amazed at the number of them.

You have your "insider knowledge" from the RN side, and I have mine from the behind-the-scenes regulatory standpoint.  You wanna defend the honor of the medical world, and I just wanna be honest about what I know.   Agreeing to disagree is about the best you're going to get.

"I would never do x y  or z  for someone that i may not be with for the rest of my days"

It's called "bad experiences" and "jaded youth".  It's also called personal feeling and opinions.  My former Miss was already talking about branding me with a tattoo not even a month into it.  I'm glad she didn't because we didn't last much longer than that.  I think maybe once you have given your all a couple times and had your all abused (she didn't abuse it, but other people did.. she just didn't understand what she wanted vs what I wanted), you lose a considerable amount of faith and your limits go up, up, up.

Also? Tattoo = not plastic suergery.  I don't think you'll be getting tattoos in the hospital anytime soon.

And as for "doctors frequently do minor procedures (which actually qualify as surgeries) in their offices and in those situations are more likely to have other than positive results. " Where do you think a large amount of plastic surgery occurs?  Other than reconstructive surgery, I don't see Johns Hopkins having a resident plastic surgeon for the boob job on the side.  Reconstructive surgeons are a little different from plastic surgeons.  Reconstruction to repair damage? Usually hospital work.  Face lift?  not so much. 

There are plastic surgery centers - not hospitals.  Also something I'm familiar with from my job, as a large number of research studies are on various medical "devices" for plastic (and other kinds of ) surgery - and the sites the subjects will be operated on are Research Centers - not hospitals, although some are part of a hospital - and Plastic Suergery Centers.  Again, not a hospital.  It's more like that spa place SusanofO was talking about.  Comes back to plastic surgery being surgery, but not being treated like surgery cuz it's cosmetic.  Again, not arguing about " do bad things happen" - I already said they do.  You're just ... agreeing with me.  Which would be OK if you didn't take the tone of disagreeing with me.  Disagreeing is fine, perfectly fine, but.. actually disagree when you're disagreeing.  When people agree but act like they are disagreeing, it's just.. painful.



behindmirrors -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 9:57:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive
 
I wonder.. subs/slaves.. would you alter your body in some way for a Master?   Has it ever come up? 
 
any stories? good/bad experiences?


Before I met my Master, I was very self-conscious about some scars I have, especially on my legs, that were the result of a bad reaction to a medication I took some years ago, where my skin literally peeled away in sheets in a few places on my shins. I was terrified to show them to anyone, and kept my legs covered for several years, courtesy of the stares I would recieve if I did not. The first time he saw me naked, I expressed to him my reservations- and he explained to me how beautiful I was, and how he envied my "roadmap"- each scar having a story behind it connected to my life. Even though I wanted to have laser scar removal done for years, I now would not do so, because I treasure the moment that he told me how I was beautiful, and real, and that those scars showed it, without diminishing me, not wishing I had been physically untouched by life.

At his encouraging, I got some tattoos done that were for me, and that I designed, which I had been wanting for some time, but was too scared to get by myself. I love them, and I will not regret the choice to get them done, as they were put on me during a time in my life where a chapter was closing in order to start another, and commemorate my past and my future, as well as my own self-worth I had discovered during that time.

Would I get a modification done at his request? It would depend on the modification, and his reasoning behind it, as well as the potential risks. I would say yes to a piercing or tattoo, and no to nearly any cosmetic surgery that was not reconstructive, though I would be willing to hear out his case before deciding outright.

I've had plastic surgery twice, once like HisAnnabelle, to have part of my face reconstructed after being attacked by a dog three or four years ago. If I had not done that, I would be missing a section of my lip and chin, so I do not regret that choice, as it allowed my face to remain the same one I am familiar with in the mirror. It went well, and I have minimal scarring that can only be seen when I smile very widely, which happens often, but I am not self-conscious about that any longer, though I was at first. Now I know that the fact that I am smiling outweighs the look of a small scar.

The other surgery was to repair a piercing on my chest which had rejected, and closed with a deep abcess in the center, which was infected. I had to have the entire channel of the piercing removed and cauterized, leaving an inch and a quater long and noticeable scar between my breasts, though free of infection. It needed to be done, however, and it is healing, and fading with each passing day. I eventually hope to get a tattoo over it that coordinates with my previous two, and I have been working with my Master to design one for that purpose.

So, that's my opinion and my stories.
behindmirrors.



MissNika -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/4/2007 10:05:24 PM)

I would never require or request that from a submissive or slave. Natural beauty is important to Me, I actually tend to frown upon implants and other vanity surgeries unless there is a medical/traumatic reason behind it.

It's just not appealing to Me.



arayofsunshine55 -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/5/2007 11:43:54 AM)

Yup. I would.  Yes I did.  Got my tits done.  Because he wanted them done.  And that pleased me.   And I have a major hard on for body modification.   Which we share.  Not because either of us had an issue with the ones god gave me but rather because he loves bigger ones.  And 6 months later I LOVE them.  As well as my pierced nipples which he initially did by his own hands and my 0 gauge triangle.



mnottertail -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/5/2007 11:55:07 AM)

I had a dick reduction.   The little sponges on the sides that they cut out they are now using for large oil spills,  still cost me 12 grand, but I am no longer worried about the shrinkage in bluejeans.

Ron



CandleInTheWind -> RE: Plastic Surgery..would you? (4/5/2007 6:51:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shatteringlilium

Plus, you're awfully biased to your opinions, as is obvious when you assumed it's hard to win a malpractice suit because you didn't win yours.  Unfortunately, that isn't true.

In suffolk county NY  it is darned near impossible to even get an attourney to file a malpractice case......I tried to find a lawyer for the entire statute of limitations.....the problem is with malpractice claims are is that you have to have another doctor from from the same specialty say on record that the other doctor did something wrong...out here in our little burg  they are a tight knit bunch...as a matter of fact i wasnt able to find another plastics person to repair and redo the botched job until the statue of limitations wore off.....noone would touch me because of the likelihood of being called ina s a witness....  a direct quote from the michealangelo that managed to do the right thing by me!

And you're throwing in the generalization of Florida having bad plastic surgery clinics. o.O That was painfully random and you didn't back it up with anything (not even a 10 year old article >P)

In regard to the bagain clinics in florida and other states....it is not anythig new....they are all over the net....I still recieve the vacation brochures...would you wish me to forward them??

Working for an IRB (for those who have no fucking clue, an IRB is an Institutional Review Board; we protect the rights and welfare of human research subjects) I get to read all the wonderful forms and warnings that are given to subjects, and some that aren't.  We also get all the beautiful adverse event notices, which do include investigator (doctor) malpractice.  We also get FDA forms that are basically black marks against doctors who break regulation or make really, really bad mistakes.  You'd be amazed at the number of them.

You have your "insider knowledge" from the RN side, and I have mine from the behind-the-scenes regulatory standpoint.  You wanna defend the honor of the medical world, and I just wanna be honest about what I know.   Agreeing to disagree is about the best you're going to get.

"I would never do x y  or z  for someone that i may not be with for the rest of my days"

It's called "bad experiences" and "jaded youth".  It's also called personal feeling and opinions.  My former Miss was already talking about branding me with a tattoo not even a month into it.  I'm glad she didn't because we didn't last much longer than that.  I think maybe once you have given your all a couple times and had your all abused (she didn't abuse it, but other people did.. she just didn't understand what she wanted vs what I wanted), you lose a considerable amount of faith and your limits go up, up, up.

I personally do not view any of my relationships and giving my all as abuse   I knew my hubby 9 years before we were married...my other relationships were cherished ones...and honestly i carry c/section scars, as badges of honor, and the burn upon my shoulder as a growth experience but then again I do not see a relationship as something that is formed in a few weeks time........just as you say you call it bad experience and jaded youth......I call mine the wisdom of age and acceptance of decision....I do not say i love soemone unless i truly love them and yes I woudl put my shiney white hiney in the air and have it branded so.   I am sorry that at such a young age that you have been put intot the position of being asked to permanently marked when you barely knew somone..  but that isnt any of my business...  I stand alone in alot of my beliefs....I like few people, trust fewer people...I love even less fewer , but i suppose that is indeed the gift of age and experience...had i continued in a my 50's style marriage i would never have grown further and had the innocence never lost. Although I have lost my "innocence" I have not lost my optimism and that is what i guess keeps me so darned perky.
 
 

Also? Tattoo = not plastic suergery.  I don't think you'll be getting tattoos in the hospital anytime soon.

Tatoos break the skin as do piercings in my medical dictionary  Taber's  it qualifies as a surgical procedure....
And as for "doctors frequently do minor procedures (which actually qualify as surgeries) in their offices and in those situations are more likely to have other than positive results. " Where do you think a large amount of plastic surgery occurs?  Other than reconstructive surgery, I don't see Johns Hopkins having a resident plastic surgeon for the boob job on the side.  Reconstructive surgeons are a little different from plastic surgeons.  Reconstruction to repair damage? Usually hospital work.  Face lift?  not so much. 

Here on Long Island  the vast majority of plstic surgeries are done in the hospital settings   if you would like for me to do the research I honestly havent got the numbers as my disposal at this time...its been over a year and half since i had my work done...Any one who has any type of heart irregularity or medical problem is not elligible to have work doen iin the surgery center...so yes there are a great deal of boob jobs done in Mather hospital and St Charles hospital  in Pt Jefferson NY....  I know of at least 1 doctor that does all of her procedures in these two hospitals...In regard to reconstrctive surgery/plastic surgery.   Reconstructive is a plastic surgeons work...the plastic work that I had done is actually concidered reconstructive....and it was done by two different plastic surgeons and a breast surgeon....  please verify that kind of thing  "plastic surgeons" are primarily wishing to reconstruct....a tummy tuck is a reconstructive procedure....musculature is repaired and poof a flat tummy... a dog bite on a lip a plastic surgeon is called in   it is reconstruction,,  i know im splitting haris now so i shall stop.

There are plastic surgery centers - not hospitals.  Also something I'm familiar with from my job, as a large number of research studies are on various medical "devices" for plastic (and other kinds of ) surgery - and the sites the subjects will be operated on are Research Centers - not hospitals, although some are part of a hospital - and Plastic Suergery Centers.  Again, not a hospital.  It's more like that spa place SusanofO was talking about.  Comes back to plastic surgery being surgery, but not being treated like surgery cuz it's cosmetic.  Again, not arguing about " do bad things happen" - I already said they do.  You're just ... agreeing with me.  Which would be OK if you didn't take the tone of disagreeing with me.  Disagreeing is fine, perfectly fine, but.. actually disagree when you're disagreeing.  When people agree but act like they are disagreeing, it's just.. painful.


My big issue was that i found it really really really difficult to believe that 3 years went by for your poor friend without beign diagnosed of having a lap sponge left in her....I mean geez louise...I mean i have had problems and tormented everyone and their partners  then i went to a second set of doctors and then if necessary  found a thrid set of doctors to find out what was wrong.....and well  with in a 12 week period i has the answer to the questions....  I feel badly that your friend had that reaction and that it seems like all of her health team dropped the ball.  
 
The other issue is and well...I hate to be a bit not nice but well.....i just dont understand your job....its a paperwork position so the items you are referring to are things that occur that youa re aware of are what we in the field call sentinal events im assuming....you know events thata re soooo far out of what is expected that it jumps off the page.
 
I iwhs you well...I wish you happiness I wish someone that can appreciate and deserve your devotion....and i wish you wisdom and trust ...the ype of trust that you would be willing to walk on what you think are hot coal for someone...only to find that they are sqishy mashmellows.....that is the world that i believe we live in...you just have to be extremely cautious in who you trust and who you put your trust in.   Some thing that it took me a bit to learn...and it is my wish that you do not have to go through the things i have been through to learn them.
 
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