Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 5:11:43 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline 		Interesting picture of her on Drudge this morning.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Note also the tiny headline just to her left: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/04/military_gwot_democrats_070403w/

It all seems very fitting.

< Message edited by Sanity -- 4/4/2007 5:18:04 AM >
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 5:17:24 AM   
puella


Posts: 2457
Joined: 12/2/2004
Status: offline 		It is always interesting to see an intelligent person respectfully oblige to the cultural meme's of the society in which she is a guest, I suppose. 

_____________________________

We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom...... The Simpsons

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." ...Ambrose Bierce

"Don't you oppress me!"....Stan/Loretta

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 5:19:12 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

It is always interesting to see an intelligent person respectfully oblige to the cultural meme's of the society in which she is a guest, I suppose. 


Especially if she wants that culture to behead her own, as Nancy Pelosi seems to.

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 5:29:54 AM   
puella


Posts: 2457
Joined: 12/2/2004
Status: offline 		I'm sorry, did she make a statment declaring that, or are you just being wrong again?

_____________________________

We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom...... The Simpsons

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." ...Ambrose Bierce

"Don't you oppress me!"....Stan/Loretta

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:08:37 AM   
LadyEllen


Posts: 10931
Joined: 6/30/2006
From: Stourport-England
Status: offline 		So she went to meet with the leaders of Syria - seems like a reasonable idea to me, given that we've tried everything short of invasion (which we're not too hot on in the aftermath it would seem) to undermine them, and theyre still there. So she wears a headscarf over there... well, to be honest so would I if I were there given that its spring now and the sun is out and not good for white skin. And it makes them happy too, so its a win win.

Thing is, the Syrians are a nasty piece of work, but then so are we in getting what we want. The Syrians have a problem with Israel and our support for Israel makes us part of their problem. We can dig trenches and shoot at one another, or we can try to negotiate - but you cant negotiate unless you also communicate and that requires meetings, not making the other side into a subhuman axis of evil, because guess what? Syrians are people too, and the only disagreement is over the way we handle ourselves in their region. If Syria did in Texas, what we do in their region I think the US might be a bit pissed off too.

We can go down the path to war and invasion and all that. Or we can try to talk and listen and try to come to some arrangement that defuses the situation, not only the Israel situation but the Iraq situation too, where Syria is on hand to help if we can manage it properly. I'm sure that Syria can be painted badly for supporting Hezbollah and maybe lots of other bad people, but can we honestly say that we havent done exactly the same things ourselves for our own foreign policy aims? For Bush to make use of Christian notions and rhetoric in all this is strangely incongruent with the ideas of a certain Galileean carpenter who seemed to think it was a good thing to get yourself in order before helping anyone else, and who didnt think it was the right way to go about things, to accuse others when you yourself are guilty of the same thing.

So, kudos to Nancy for at least seemingly trying to get us back on track with all this towards solutions and not pointless and endless confrontations.

E

_____________________________

In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:19:44 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline 		Yeah, I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi putting on a Muslim headscarf and thereby pretending to be some Muslim's slave is going to bring world peace sometime real soon.

< Message edited by Sanity -- 4/4/2007 6:20:17 AM >

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:29:10 AM   
puella


Posts: 2457
Joined: 12/2/2004
Status: offline 		Covering your head is not a sign of enslavement in that culture, especially as a foreigner.  It is a sign of respect for their cultural beliefs.

It is interesting to note that you don't have any problem with men going to Syria or the Republicans who also went...Perhaps if they wore a scarf you would be more suitably enraged.



_____________________________

We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom...... The Simpsons

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." ...Ambrose Bierce

"Don't you oppress me!"....Stan/Loretta

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:33:49 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline 		I think you're projecting again puella - I am not enraged about anything.

quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

Covering your head is not a sign of enslavement in that culture, especially as a foreigner.  It is a sign of respect for their cultural beliefs.

It is interesting to note that you don't have any problem with men going to Syria or the Republicans who also went...Perhaps if they wore a scarf you would be more suitably enraged.



(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:34:12 AM   
LadyEllen


Posts: 10931
Joined: 6/30/2006
From: Stourport-England
Status: offline 		Interesting.

So when Syrians wear a suit and tie, they do so to show submission to western oppression, presumably?

E

_____________________________

In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:40:52 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline 		Try, when a Muslim woman wears a bikini, instead. Her penalty for such a crime in Syria and Iran would probably be death. Right?

That would be a much better comparison.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Interesting.

So when Syrians wear a suit and tie, they do so to show submission to western oppression, presumably?

E


< Message edited by Sanity -- 4/4/2007 6:44:03 AM >

(in reply to LadyEllen)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:41:51 AM   
MrRodgers


Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline 		People all over Islam are being killed and were being killed (beheaded too) long before we got there and is now only getting any traction in the west because of this administration's military adventurism. To suggest such a thing about any of our politicians would be the same as saying Bush had us invade Iraq to kill a few hundred thousand Iraqis..and take their oil..which we all know is not the case.

It amazes me (although not that much anymore) the hypocracies we see now when only a few years ago the Republican congress did all of the same things when it came to Clinton's use of the military in Bosnia..and with much greater foreign cooperation then we have in Iraq...and with much greater success and in a much shoeter time...AND with only one American casualty.

We won't be around but objective future historians will see this whole Iraqi fiasco as an aberation in American behavior. Those same historians will write off the Vietnamese experience as part of the cold-war that got hot in the second area of the world where the UN fought communist imperialism. (Korea being the first)

As far as this current historian is concerned...EVERY war since WWII has been unconstitutional in that it was the last time we had a congress with the courage to actually vote to declare war. The war powers act is unconsitutional inspite of the fact that those dreaded 'activists' judges let it pass constitutional muster.

Isn't it great how we can all bitch about activist federal courts all the way up to the time we want them to undertake 'our' kind of  activism ?

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 6:56:02 AM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline 		     I'm no great fan of Speaker Pelosi, but this goes in the "so freakin' what" file.

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:07:29 AM   
LadyEllen


Posts: 10931
Joined: 6/30/2006
From: Stourport-England
Status: offline 		Sanity - youre entitled to your opinions of course, but I detect in what little you have said that you think our western culture is in some way superior to all others and makes us superior to all other people, such that whilst they ought to accomodate and emulate us, it is somehow demeaning for us to reciprocate?

Absolutely I agree that many Muslim countries have systems in place that are distasteful and wrong - I'd be hanged in Iran for instance for nothing more than who I am, and that is wrong, pure and simple. But is it any more wrong than the judicial execution of minors and the mentally afflicted that I understand goes on in the US? The overall Muslim position seems to be that half the population are inferior by way of their sex, but meanwhile in the US we find that the same situation exists by way of race and/or wealth.

The point being, that neither side in this situation is superior or has some God given right to prescribe to the other, but rather that the two sides are different and each has a God given right to their own culture. It is by way of our foreign policy prescriptions for a region which whilst important geo-politically is none of our business, that we have produced so much antagonism against us in the first place, leaving us nowhere to go but their destruction in the light of the fact that they wont submit to our ways, or to make some move from our side that recognises them and their way of life as valid and thereby to try to calm the situation. It is therefore as unhelpful for us to breach their customs when we visit them, as it is unhelpful for them to insist on wearing the hijab here in the west - this latter tendency arising I feel from their impulse to protect their culture which they feel is under threat due to our attitudes.

Its time, more than overdue in fact, for us to stop this idea that we are somehow the rightful rulers of every heart and mind and that anyone who resists our rule is a terrorist. Equally that anyone who accomodates the cultural norms of the other is somehow a traitor. We must instead mutually recognise that there are differences between us, that we have each done bad things and apologise for them, and to move forward on the basis of honesty and honour, resolved to work with our differences and not struggle to impose them on one another. Not likely to happen though, unfortunately.

Syria has a problem with Israel. Syria apparently funds and supports terrorism/freedom fighting in the region, because it has a problem with Israel for which it sees no diplomatic solution since Israel ignores all diplomatic efforts to reach a solution. Meanwhile, we will continue to support Israel, even when it behaves in a less than noble fashion and even when it commits atrocities, in the misguided mindset that our friends can do no wrong, whilst our opponents do only wrong.

It is totally and utterly in the power of the west and particularly the US, to force Israel to acknowledge and implement UN directives. That we do not is down to this cultural war that says that Israel being westernised, it must be supported regardless of its conduct, and that it would show weakness in the cultural war to do otherwise, detracting from our supposed God given right to impose western culture on all as the supreme form of civilisation. On the other hand, were we to have the directives implemented and Syria then calmed itself over the issue, would we not be in a position of immense strength, having shown that we believe in all the values we claim to support, and have defused the situation? And if Syria then still played up, we would have a clear hand by which to react and not the most spurious and hypocritical grounds such as an axis of evil, on which to be judged.

E

_____________________________

In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:13:26 AM   
SimplyMichael


Posts: 7229
Joined: 1/7/2007
Status: offline 		Try walking naked into your local schoolground, see how our society "treats" you.

She is after all, in THEIR fucking country.  I bet you whine when people don't speak English here or do any of their cultural things here that you find 'wrong".

No fucking wonder Republicans made a giant fucking mess out of Iraq, they are made up of people with your narrow mindset!

(in reply to LadyEllen)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:39:58 AM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    I'm no great fan of Speaker Pelosi, but this goes in the "so freakin' what" file.


You don't find it a bit ironic that the first female Speaker of the House prostrates herself before the idea that women must cover themselves while in public?

I do.

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:48:00 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline 		 BTW, in Indonesia Muslim women do not wear the hijab. I find it incredibly amusing how Muslims threaten you so much that you find this something of note

< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 4/4/2007 7:49:21 AM >

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:51:48 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   I'm no great fan of Speaker Pelosi, but this goes in the "so freakin' what" file.


You don't find it a bit ironic that the first female Speaker of the House prostrates herself before the idea that women must cover themselves while in public?

I do.


The hajib is a beautiful expression of the feminine devotion to God. You do not understand it obviously... and btw I think that the hajib is often used as an adornment and many Muslim women I knew at my college that wore them were scholars. One won the prestigious President's Honors at my graduation.. wearing her hajib

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 7:58:17 AM   
LadyEllen


Posts: 10931
Joined: 6/30/2006
From: Stourport-England
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   I'm no great fan of Speaker Pelosi, but this goes in the "so freakin' what" file.


You don't find it a bit ironic that the first female Speaker of the House prostrates herself before the idea that women must cover themselves while in public?

I do.


So your point then is that

a) women are weak and foolish
b) democrats are weak and foolish
c) a woman democrat is doubly weak and foolish

Have you considered converting to Islam?

E

_____________________________

In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 8:07:42 AM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   I'm no great fan of Speaker Pelosi, but this goes in the "so freakin' what" file.


You don't find it a bit ironic that the first female Speaker of the House prostrates herself before the idea that women must cover themselves while in public?

I do.



       "Prostrating herself???"  Get real.  I see no difference between her decision to wear a head scarf and taking off ones shoes before entering a Japanese home.  Now if she suggests we'd all be better off if my wife, and every other woman in the US, wear them whenever they leave the house, you'll have something.

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim - 4/4/2007 8:21:28 AM   
popeye1250


Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline 		The Dems were voted in to get us out of Iraq.
Now they've voted for ANOTHER $100B and 30,000 more Troops.
Like that Paul Simon song says; "Just get on the bus Gus!"
"East is East and West is West and never b'twain shall meet."

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Nancy Pelosi As A Muslim Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109