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elisabet -> RE: Military Masters (4/5/2007 1:47:25 PM)

At first I think the army was initially good for my boyfriend's dominant side but I'd say overall it's made him more submissive.  He's not low ranked and he's a good officer but...  I think it affects everyone in different ways and in his case it made him more... moldable and ... absent.  Haha.




OhBeMyMind -> RE: Military Masters (4/5/2007 1:57:26 PM)

~FR~
I have always had a 'thing' for military men.....yummmmm!!!!!  Not sure exactly why, just something about them has always rev'd me up..lol....anyway Daddy is retired military with 24 years...I feel it only enhances his dominance.




GADomCpl -> RE: Military Masters (4/5/2007 4:08:32 PM)

Having been in the Army going on 8 years, I think it has done a number of things.  For me Dom side, it has definately made me much more assertive.  It has helped me give direction and orders and being able to get past someones objections to them.  At the same time for my sub side I have gotten very used to recieving orders from others and doing as I'm told, even when I don't necissarily agree with the orders.  It has definately made me a much better multi-tasker too.

Troy




sweetstorm -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 6:41:12 AM)

From a sub:
My father was in the army and I was raised to follow orders, do things right the first time and never have to be asked twice. This is part of what makes being submissive fulfilling and satisfying for me.

My Dom was in the Navy. He was vanilla when I met Him but I could tell by His stance and His manner of looking me in the eye that He had great potential to be a possible dominant. I gave Him the encouragement and the background knowledge and He never hesitated a moment to take control and hold my respect without waver.

And damn, that knowledge in knots is useful!!  [sm=tongue.gif]




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 6:48:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

Having been a military wife for a long time I can see it goes either way. Unless someone is a CO most of their time is spent taking orders and doing what others tell them.  They tell them how to dress, where to go, when to go, when to eat etc. It gives structure but I think it depends on the individuals personality to begin with.


Greetings sweetnurseBBW,
 
Do you not think that the structure you express is brought into the home as well?
 
Thank you,
curious


For some it does. I can't speak for all. In my exprience the military stayed in him when he came but at the same token it was a job and he liked to leave it at the base. He was a commanding officer so he did bring some home. Other than his clothes being perfectly arranged and cans in the cabinet being arranged by type, I didn't see the officer when he came home. It gave him self structure and self discipline.  Like I said I think it is based on the individual.




bschwimmer -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 6:52:58 AM)

yes it has. I tend to be very controling. and want things my way


325th  h hour minus 1




LadyHugs -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 12:17:40 PM)

Dear curiouslyseeking, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see; several examples of how the military side of the D/s structure operates, as organization, recognition of authority and respect for it, the etiquette and or protocols, traditions as well as attitudes towards those in lower ranks.  I also look to the 'crisis' response and the attack/defense approaches and problem solving.
 
For a few of my favorite examples:

General George S. Patton in conversation with General Omar Bradley.  The conversation was why the American Army took a licking by Germans in WWII. 
In response General Patton replied; a blind man could see why the American Army got their 'arse/ass' kicked.  He said further; ..."If a soldier doesn't dress like a soldier, act like a soldier--How can he be expected to fight like a soldier."  I do find General Patton's words can fit to any role in life; especially addressing Dominants or submissives. Dress, behavior and attitude will cause individuals to respond.  Only you (in general terms) can determine by how you dress, behave and the attitude you have and what role you stick by --will in turn teach people how to treat you.
 
Another example I cherish which is Military and vintage at that, comes from my personal research into the US Army during the Civil War.  Here is a summary of my research and excerpt from the CD-ROM of my writings, which are copyrighted materials.
 
[Excerpt from "Silent Service - Military -authored by Lady Hugs"--]
Etiquette in the military is necessarily more formal than civilian life, for the military, they most closely approximate a caste system. Those protocols include their dress, personal appearance and interaction within and between ranks. Dress is a foundational means, which each level of the military is set apart from the other. The military dress is the true sense of “attention to detail.”
 
Military etiquette is more stringent, as the subjects under their rules are narrower in military etiquette than civilian. The military as a whole is best when it is uniformed, disciplined and obedient  [ End Excerpt]
 
[Exerpt from Silent Service-Military- Lady Hugs author]
Understanding the root military principles offers the foundation of the spirit and execution of persons wearing the military uniform. These principles are as follows:  Bearing, Courage, Decisiveness, Dependability, Endurance, Enthusiasm, Initiative, Integrity, Judgment, Justice, Knowledge, Loyalty, Tact and Unselfishness.
 
In addition to the basics of military principles, the leadership principles of the military are also important. These are as follows:
1. Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your charges.
2. Know yourself and seek self-improvement.
3. Set the example.
4. Develop your subordinates.
5. Ensure that the job is understood, supervised, and accomplished.
6. Know your men and women, and look after their welfare.
7. Keep everyone informed.
8. Set goals you can reach.
9. Make sound and timely decisions.
10. Know your job.
11. Teamwork.  [Excerpt]
 
[Excerpt - Silent Service-Military-Lady Hugs author]
No matter what rank a person was within the military, the regulations to the behavior of the officers as well as through the ranks, to the inferior position, was seeing to the care, the appearances and the respect necessary, to be an efficient and effective uniformed military. One of the military regulations in the Civil War, circa 1860, was what domination and submission’s ideology.
 
“Authority is to be exercised with firmness, but with kindness and justice to inferiors. Punishments shall be strictly conformable to the Articles of War.” Another was, “Superiors of every grade are forbidden to injure those under them by tyrannical or capricious conduct, or by abusive language.” Again, another listed regulation of the period, speaks well for the current military as well as the BDSM uniform culture, “Courtesy among soldiers is indispensable to discipline. Respect to superiors will not be confined to obedience on duty, but will be extended to all occasions. It is always the duty of the inferior to accost or to offer first the customary salutation and of the superiors to return such complimentary notice. The customary salutation is to salute.” So, as one can see, military or not, the appreciation of courtesy, discipline, respect, obedience and duty.  [End of Excerpts]
 
The summary, in my mind's eyes I see, for those who were in the era of Old Leather/Old School; there was an expectation to exceed the casual interactions and followed some uniformity which was a line to distinguish 'us' from 'them' as far as the Master-slave lifestyle and or D/s and or BDSM.
 
Our 'in house' relationships went above what would be considered a vanilla relationship; as to put into place a uniformity as well as structure to which there was authority, discipline (training, protocols, rituals, etiquette, etc.) and respect to which another (slave) would submit to and be able to operate freely within those expectations negotiated to, agreed upon, trained to do and graduate per se as to be free to do what a slave was trained and sought to do through this structured relationship.  It is not meant to be an 'equal' relationship but a fair, respectful and separates in a more clear manner the difference between Dominant and domineering.  The difference between a respectful exchange and the disrespectful, controlling, fear and or terror tactics and or humiliating/humiliation tactics to maintain 'authority, respect and obedience.'
 
Another aspects that shines brightly is -- being 'fair and rule justly' and not just to be 'correct all of the time.'

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 
 




ScreamerGirl -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 1:14:40 PM)

In our case, it meant that d/s went out the window because he was paranoid about losing his massive security clearance.

*sigh*







curiouslyseeking -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 2:01:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetstorm

From a sub:
My father was in the army and I was raised to follow orders, do things right the first time and never have to be asked twice. This is part of what makes being submissive fulfilling and satisfying for me.

My Dom was in the Navy. He was vanilla when I met Him but I could tell by His stance and His manner of looking me in the eye that He had great potential to be a possible dominant. I gave Him the encouragement and the background knowledge and He never hesitated a moment to take control and hold my respect without waver.

And damn, that knowledge in knots is useful!!  [sm=tongue.gif]


That's wonderful sweetstorm...thank you for sharing.
 
~curious~




elisabet -> RE: Military Masters (4/6/2007 2:47:19 PM)



already having responded myself, I asked my boyfriend this morning (or maybe last night?) what he thought about this question... had a similar view to mine.  he thought that in a lot of ways it made him more dominant but it depended on the person.

that is... the army can bring to light a lot of your natural qualities, be they one way or the other.




N4SDChastity -> RE: Military Masters (4/7/2007 8:36:23 PM)

From my own personal experiences (I believe someone else mentioned that each takes what they will from their military experiences) I can say that, YES, it definitely aided me in my Dom guise.  As you progress up through the ranks you learn things you would not normally learn from non-militar experiences.  Not issuing edicts you are unable to enforce, for instance.  The need to verify that what you asked to be done HAS been done, satisfactorily, for another.  The NEED for clear, concise communications.  Establishing your "Alpha" role, early on, as an aide to controlling the actions of others.  Not losing your composure whan things are not going as you planned.  All these thinsg and a thousand-thousand more are inculcated into you, as you grow.  Some by the professional schools you need to attend to progress your career.  Some by observing how those above and around you deal  with situations.  And still others by watching things collapse when lack of attentiion to detail and indecisive actions are exibited by hapless fools destined to earn a star one day.  As I said, each takes it in in accordance with their own nature, but it is there.  Some see responsibility as a mantle the would rather not assume, for fear of failing.  Others see it as a "birthright," something the world owes them.  Some will because there is no one else around who will.  And some because the can do no other way.  I imagine that there are many parallels to many of us in this community somewhere in there.  but, it HAS helped me in a myriad of incalculable ways.  Some forceful, some compassionate.




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Military Masters (4/8/2007 8:45:30 PM)

Greetings to those who responded to "Military Masters"
 
It gave me some great insight with military training and being a Master.
 
For those who have served our country and continue to serve... I thank you and your families.
 
With much respect,
~curious~




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