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ferryman777 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/8/2007 6:14:25 PM)
Hello, I was not being derogatory at all. I was merely stating facts as they are; do you have a dispute with what I have written, the facts are deplorable, as they are. I cited another thread which mentioned a bill .....Amero.....which Bush et al, is alledged to want to see it passed. I asked if any cared to research and comment to the validity of such a proposal. Evidently no one cares, and this useless 'Joke' continues as the topic of discussion. As for you being naive, to believe this insidious mis-information, is perfectly natural. This is exactly what these things are intended to do, to mislead, to misinform the public, and to test the waters, to test the possibility, and the acceptance level of the public for such an occurrance. The Patriot Act violates the rights of the citizen, and the consitution, it is all in all, patterned after the nazi enabling act, updated; yet it was passed, twice, and for all intents and purposes, IS the law of the land, not the constitution. Govenors objected to it, the internet was awash with statements of disobying the PA, and now it stands approved, packaged and delivered. Given the Bush regime's track record, nothing is outside the realm of possibilty.....but, to belaborly banter this incredulous 'Joke' is simply assine. There has been some VERY good threads here, well, aside from the CM cruise ship, I've learned, and some very knowlegeable people contribute some very informative history. But, when even a title appears, the lead off states the ''Joke'; some people will read no further, believe it is real; find out it is a phoney, they have been decieved, riduculed, laughed at; by their peers, & friends.....and what damage do you think has been done to the other threads which are true, and factual. All, are tainted with this irresponsible thread. Don't even feel foolish, if you do, if not, then; never mind, ....simply...you were decieved. And why not, this 'Joke' was worded so very well, someone really worked on it. Real matters, real happenings, on CM is of no importance, what is important is these banal postings.

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/9/2007 2:30:33 AM)
Real it is an absolute joke. The right to petition does not mean the right to get your way. The We the People outfit is in the process of suing. To say their right to petittion for the redress of grievences has been removed is simply a lie. That they are anti constitutional crackpots and will certianly lose thier case is true. But they had the right to bring it and waste all our money.

Real0ne -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/9/2007 9:58:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Real it is an absolute joke. The right to petition does not mean the right to get your way. The We the People outfit is in the process of suing. To say their right to petittion for the redress of grievences has been removed is simply a lie. That they are anti constitutional crackpots and will certianly lose thier case is true. But they had the right to bring it and waste all our money. ok so you feel that it is legitimate for the justice system to pick and choose what can be entered into evidence at a trial? Even if the evidence is the law itself as is the case here? The fact that the suit had to be filed in a country that calls itself a republic is repugnant in the first place. Its not the people that are wasting tax payer money it is the government if that is not obvious to you. This suit is about entering into evidence laws that are on the books to support their case and the judges are not allowing it to be entered as evidence and gounds for the suit. Therefore no remedy. If they lose it means that someone can kill your mama and you can enter into evidence the perps gun and the judge can look at you and say "so sorry lucky you cannot use that for evidence". Choose which cases to hear and which to delay indefinitely. Its happening now all over. The court system is the arbitrator of law to settle diputes based on law not thwart them to deny justice as is happening now all over the place in this country if you are not aware. i posted the mahoney case where the federal reserve was determined by a common law hearing in a minnesota court that determined it was an unlawful entity and therefore by law must be shut down. That should have shut them down. Where is the justice lucky? Why didnt it? Is this the will of the people lucky? The people said it is unlawfull, shut it down! Its still fully operational! Is this your idea of remedy lucky? You are quick to fire off the word LIE but never support it with anything. i think the last i heard they are up to 6000 people who want to have their names put on that class action suit, so where do you get off saying it is a lie? Maybe all 6000 of them should all just aqueisce because lucky says its a lie huh? Acquiesce to laughter maybe. Shall we talk about, what was it, 4 million bucks prosecuting a blow job in the oval office now?

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/9/2007 10:08:32 AM)
Real, according to the Constitution the courts decide what cases to take and what evidence is entered, not you and the "we the people" outfit. Again, you show us that you do not care about the Constitution at all. Show me which clause creates "Common Law Hearings". What you call a common law court means absolutly nothing. It has no legitimacy. The club you belong to can hold pretend trials all day long, nobody cares and the "verdicts" mean nothing. Your 6000 people have no right to over rule the legitimate courts( and 300,000,000 people), none whatsoever. After you over throw the country and burn the Constitution, replacing it with your own, things will be different.

LaTigresse -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/9/2007 10:44:50 AM)
Well, there is one thought...........It would be a sure-fire way for the Republicans to lose any possible chance at having a candidate elected.

Real0ne -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/9/2007 11:11:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Real, according to the Constitution the courts decide what cases to take and what evidence is entered, not you and the "we the people" outfit. Fine put your site where your mouth is then! quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 The club you belong to can hold pretend trials all day long, nobody cares and the "verdicts" mean nothing. Your 6000 people have no right to over rule the legitimate courts( and 300,000,000 people), none whatsoever. After you over throw the country and burn the Constitution, replacing it with your own, things will be different. DUh huh??? 300mil? i think not. Last i can recall we are in a representative republic. geeezus lucky how many times do i have to post this for you before you get it? Its a matter of case law! First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Jerome Daly IN THE JUSTICE COURT STATE OF MINNESOTA COUNTY OF SCOTT TOWNSHIP OF CREDIT RIVER JUSTICE MARTIN V. MAHONEY First National Bank of Montgomery, Plaintiff vs Jerome Daly, Defendant snip fopr brevity BY THE COURT Dated December 9, 1968 Justice MARTIN V. MAHONEY Credit River Township Scott County, Minnesota BY THE COURT December 9, 1968 Justice Martin V. Mahoney Credit River Township Scott County, Minnesota. Note: It has never been doubted that a Note given on a Consideration which is prohibited by law is void. It has been determined, independent of Acts of Congress, that sailing under the license of an enemy is illegal. The emission of Bills of Credit upon the books of these private Corporations for the purpose of private gain is not warranted by the Constitution of the United States and is unlawful. See Craig v. Mo. 4 Peters Reports 912. This Court can tread only that path which is marked out by duty. M.V.M. quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 After you over throw the country and burn the Constitution, replacing it with your own, things will be different. Fine say what you like but back it up it shut it up brotha!

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:02:21 PM)
Yes we are in a representative republic, that is why your 6000 people can not impose their will on the other 300,000,000(aproximatley) of us. A justice of the peace has no authority to rule on such matters. None at all. Like I said it was a fake trial in a court with no standing to rule on such matters, and means absolutly nothing. You can pretend it does if you like. That you think your fake court( which has no standing under the US constitution) has authority over the constituional legal system, means you are anti constituion. You are opposed to the constitution.

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:10:33 PM)
Furthermore Real there is no such thing as a common law court under the Constition. Article III section one states" Article III Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. " Nothing about Common law courts or people tribunals or any such nonsense. That you think your made up court takes precedent over what the Constituion clearly says means you are anti constitution. How can even you not grasp that? If you can find anything in the Constituion that says un elected dipshits can form thier own private courts and establish law for the nation, please cite it for me. Article and clause, not some crap from a white supremist website.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:11:11 PM)
quote: Again, you show us that you do not care about the Constitution at all. You say that like it's a bad thing. Unless you've taken an oath to Protect and Defend the Constitution, all Freedom Loving People give allegiance to ( as much as it can be given to it ) The Declaration of Independence, which compels us to, if necessary, take up arms to overthrow any government which has become antithetical to the spirit of that Declaration. The Articles of Confederation failed, and were replaced. A great case could be made for The Constitution of the United States to have failed, seeing as Congress has somehow abdicated it's duty to declare war and stuff. Well, that, and the Department of Education. You know the laundry list of what the Fed is doing, which hasn't been explicitly delegated...

farglebargle -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:13:36 PM)
Actually, if a STATE wishes to convene a Common Law Court, then the Feds can go fuck themselves. WHY do people forget that the Federal Government is THE PEOPLE'S BITCH, and subordinate to their Great State???

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:15:09 PM)
Farg then you and real get together and write a new constituion, and call for a convention. Convince 2/3s of us that it is a good idea and lets go. Or pick up Guns and start shooting. The reality is you are not going to do either one.

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:16:35 PM)
Farg a state could form one if they wanted to, but it still would not have any jurisdiction over the Feds.....Article III Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. " Oh thats right you consider that invalid....

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:17:45 PM)
WHY do people forget that the Federal Government is THE PEOPLE'S BITCH, and subordinate to their Great State??? Because it is not.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:19:22 PM)
We HAVE ONE. The New York State Constitution was ratified an whole decade before the Federal One. All we need to do is remind ourselves, that the fed is Lawfully Unable to do anything not explicitly delegated, and then hold people accountable for their actions. I know, Accountability isn't too much of a consideration these days. Neither is Honor or Integrity, but there you are. Perhaps, in some ways, we should all stop complaining, because we have exactly the government we deserve. I am willing to bitch-slap the feds back into their proper submission. Are you?

LotusSong -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:22:08 PM)
April 1st.. I do hope this is a joke.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:26:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 WHY do people forget that the Federal Government is THE PEOPLE'S BITCH, and subordinate to their Great State??? Because it is not. Explain the 9th and 10th Amendments in the context of your allegation. IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:44:27 PM)
Sure farg, I will explain. We are talking about made up "common law courts", where local officals can implement policy (Legal rulings) over the entire nation and feds, right? Article x says,"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people. " And Article III section one says,"Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. " So we can clearly see that Judical Power is vested in one Supreme Court, and lower courts created by Congress. As we can plainly see, that Power is specifically delegated to the United States. I do not understand why you want to throw out the 10th amendmant, but you are clearly arguing it is invalid. A group of White Supremists, do not have the power to declare a court and enforce it on the rest of the nation. Perhaps you could explain why you think they do? You honestly think any 12 people can get together and declare themselves to be a "Common Law Court" and issue binding rulings on people? That has to be the dumbest thing I have heard from you yet Farg. Since people do not have the right to create courts on thier own, no right is being removed from them, and there is no issue with the 9th in this issue.

farglebargle -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:52:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Sure farg, I will explain. We are talking about made up "common law courts", where local officals can implement policy (Legal rulings) over the entire nation and feds, right? Not really. I'm discussing the general sense. Not the specific applicability to the Federal Jurisdiction. ( which is, of course, limited. ) quote: . The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. " So we can clearly see that Judical Power is vested in one Supreme Court, and lower courts created by Congress. As we can plainly see, that Power is specifically delegated to the United States. Simply Wrong. I see nowhere where it delegates the "judicial power" of the States. They're talking about the limited jurisdiction of an impotent Federal Government. If they meant the "judicial power" of THE STATES, they would have said, STATE. If what you suggest were true, we would have no State or Local courts. Since we HAVE State AND Local courts, you are incorrect. While it's common for the Socialists and Commies to suggest that the authority and jurisdiction of the United States is boundless, it is supposed to be quite limited. All problems stem from a "Liberal Interpretation" of the Constitution. quote: A group of White Supremists, do not have the power to declare a court and enforce it on the rest of the nation. Perhaps you could explain why you think they do? You honestly think any 12 people can get together and declare themselves to be a "Common Law Court" and issue binding rulings on people? Uh. No. Did you miss my comment about the State deciding to do whatever they cared to, and telling the feds to go fuck themselves?

mnottertail -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 5:55:01 PM)
Wow, I thought they still had JPs in the Parish systems. Sherriff of Nottingham

luckydog1 -> RE: Should Bush Run For 3rd Term? (4/10/2007 6:08:06 PM)
Farg so you are interjecting a general comment into a specific argument, real and I are talking about a specific issue, even a specific Psuedo court case. And actually every state court ruling is subject to review by the Supreme Court. Article VI "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. " You really should actually read the Constitution sometime Farg, it's a fairly interesting document. Yes Mnot Justices of the peace do exist, they perform minor legal functions like name changes and Marriages, they have no right whatsoever to convene courts, and issue rulings that affect the entire nation. I guess you can't see the distinction.

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