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NCMaster53 -> How may i serve you Sir? (4/17/2005 10:19:19 AM)

Prologue: I have written this from the standpoint of a Male Dominant and female submissive; however, I believe that many of the principles apply to other situations. I do not proclaim to be "All Knowing", but do want to express My thoughts on the responsibilities of a Dominant.


Much is made of the “gift of submission”, even the “gift of Domination”; submission is such an ambiguous thing when one tries to carefully define it in regards to the D/s lifestyle. One hears the debate of submissive verses slave, high protocol, low protocol, and the proverbial “right way and wrong way” to do each of these things. If you spend any time at all in D/s related chat rooms on the internet, you will no doubt, find someone in there that has a screen name that reflects their desire to be considered Dominant filling the room with oration describing in His/Her own interpretation of just how a submissive/slave/bottom/sub/pet/etc. should serve.

If you stay a little longer in the chat room, you will in all likelihood, also find a submissive/slave/bottom/pet/etc. that will add to the oration with their particular version of what is the right way to submit/serve/please/be used/etc. Oh… and let us not forget those that have an interest in Gor. I am sure we have all watched in a chat room as some slave has crawled so perfectly to the serving tray and reached into the cupboard finding just the right cup and testing the rim with her lips so the Master wont have a sliver spoil His drink by cutting Him, then returning to the bar and oh so correctly pouring the drink and delivering it with just the right protocol, kneeling with head bowed, knees open and apart, palms open and resting face up on the thighs.

As one reads this oration or scene in a chat room, it fills the mind of a waif little submissive being oh so perfect for her Master and the fantasy is complete. Unfortunately, it also leaves many Dominants and submissives alike with an impression that if the serving is not done just so… it couldn’t possibly be right. All of this brought me to ponder… just what is serving?

Certainly the act of serving, like so much else in this lifestyle can take many forms and I think it important for us to consider for a moment of thought, how the question could be answered when asked… “How may i serve you Sir? Stereotypically we tend to think of being served or serving in a domestic way. Taking care of the chores like cooking, laundry, dish-washing… or even more personal service like bathing the Dominant, getting them a drink, being a “step-n-fetch-it slave” carefully observing high protocol as she kneels in proper form delivering the requested item to her Master.

However, what if the submissive is not a waif little thing and physical/medical reasons cause her/him to not be able to properly kneel? What if the submissive is a really bad cook and burns everything attempted? What if the submissive has to work a 40-hour week just as the Dominant does? What if the submissive has kids to look after as well as her Master? What if the submissive is a highly skilled professional? What if the submissive has great skills as a craftsman? What if the submissive has a job/career that pays a lot more than the Dominant makes?

Do any of these circumstances make the submissive less submissive? Does the fact that the submissive has a skilled talent other than cooking make him/her inferior in serving? I have heard submissives criticized by others saying something like, “she is such a bad submissive, she let her Master fix His own dinner”. Many tend to evaluate “the submission” by ones ability to do these stereotypical things. It is as if we want “cookie cutter” slaves. We hold up the stencil and measure the submissive by this precut definition and if she/he doesn’t fit the stencil, then he/she can’t possibly be a good slave.

The gift of submission can and should be offered in many forms. If the submissive has a talent of working with computers, couldn’t her/his gift be in maintaining the Masters computer system? If the submissive has a career or job that requires odd hours/over time/conflicting schedules, couldn’t the gift be something of her time when available? The Dominant, like a manager of personnel in a business, should identify those things His/Her submissive has talents to offer and utilize those talents.

That is not to say that the submissive can’t learn to do other things for her/his Master… that the submissive can’t do some of the stereotypical serving. But, learning what is best suited would make everyone happier and better adjusted. A Thoroughbred that wins at steeplechase is not a horse that would probably win the Kentucky Derby. Each in its own way is a beautiful thing to watch… to own… to enjoy, but try to make each succeed, as the other would fail.

When the D/s lifestyle is taken off-line and made “real-time” things have to adjust to being real. Fantasy is one thing and very nice to have. However, in life, relationships are a give and take circumstance. Not all Masters are body builders with chiseled jaw, not all submissives are waifs with long blonde hair. We each have to use what we have. We each have to be who we are. We have to cultivate and maintain the relationship. We define it between our partner and ourselves. How may i serve you Sir? Fix My brakes.


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Kinkypupper -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/18/2005 9:33:48 PM)

Seems you are making more of a statement here then a question am I correct ??




darkinshadows -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 1:57:59 AM)

Whilst I can see the point of view, I do not agree entirely with what is written.

I would add that indeed no one is perfect. But that doesn't mean one doesn't have to try to achieve perfection.

I couldn't cook to save my life. But because I belong to Demon, then I learn.
It isn't perfection. But It gets better everyday(well, most days, because I still burn omlettes,lol).

It really isn't about perfection or non perfection. It isn't about whether you can kneel because you have bad knees, or whether you can perform a chado beautifully... thats individual couples desires and needs.

But it is about self acceptance and loving oneself because you realise your imperfections exist.

If you cannot submit to yourself, or Dominate your own life without fear or self loathing, how can you possibly give such to another without risking harm?

And my teeth are still put on edge that submission(or Domination) is a 'Gift'. It isn't.
Really, really, really...

I don't want some card of thanks from my Dominant from the gift I give Him.
I don't need to be appriciated for something that IMO is so insignificant.
Demon chukled at the idea I was seen to be offering a 'gift' of something that was, in reality, already His. How can you 'give' something away, that isn't yours to give, but someones to just naturally receive?

Peace and Love




ProtagonistLily -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 7:13:27 AM)

We are 32 flavors and then some...Seriously, do what's right for you and let others do what's right for them.

I'm not sure what your point of this is. I haven't been in a classroom since graduate school and I find lectures of this nature a bit of a bore.

L




siamsa24 -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 7:17:06 AM)

If you want to share these why don't you just provide a link to your website?
They don't seem to be asking a question, or even asking an opinion or openin =g the topic for discussion.




happypervert -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 8:45:59 AM)

So did you want to share this for our critique? If not, well that's too bad.

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but do want to express My thoughts on the responsibilities of a Dominant.

I think this is false advertising. The capitalized "My" should have been a clue something was off here.

quote:

When the D/s lifestyle is taken off-line and made “real-time” things have to adjust to being real.


From what I can tell this is the real topic of your essay, so why don't you take this sentence and move it to the top so folks have an idea what the hell you're going to talk about. The way it is structured now it is just confusing, and that's the nicest thing I can say about it. If all the talk about "the gift of submission" wasn't enough incentive to tune out then the other parts about chatrooms should have been, but like a dummy I kept going thinking there might be something interesting there. If I had been properly informed I could have chosen to skip it; instead I got suckered in by false advertising and then annoyed when you didn't deliver.

Anyway, I find your writing style rather impenetrable and long-winded. I bet I could chop it at least in half and get the message across more clearly if I thought it was an interesting enough project. It isn't though.




srahfox -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 12:21:08 PM)

Come on, give him a break. Granted normally this is a place for asking questions and this post wasn't exactly a question. When you boil it down the message is not bad. I don't think he was trying to say a submissive/slave shouldn't try to be as perfect as s/he can, just that there really isn't a template for that. What if the Master is a Great cook, and likes his own cooking, well then the slave may not nessassarily need to be expert in that area. I do what I can for my Master. I make the bed, I do the laundry, make lunch, do the litter, fix his shirts. I do what I am expert at. I'm not a great cook, but I do it to the best of my ability when he wishes. Yes it was a long winded post and yes, there is a great deal of conflict on the idea of submission being a gift or not. Truely it's not a bad comment. I Could learn to be the perfect serving girl, but Master enjoys my sewing skills much more. Besides not everyone here can be an expert writer.




darkinshadows -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/19/2005 12:38:33 PM)

I certainly do not worry if His writing skills are good or bad, I only respond with my thoughts. Maybe there is a message there, but that message is only a personal opinion.
It's a public forum. He posted an article He wrote. He posted His view. I have the freedom to reply if I agree or disagree.

If a person only wants positive responses, wouldn't post in an open forum.
No one is right or wrong. Everyone has a different take. If we all agreed and posted how great something was all the time only... how would people learn that their ideas aren't universal? How would people learn anything?

As for the gift issue... theres another thread on that, so I won't go too deep. But the point I was making is that submission, as a gift, is not a universal view. In fact, it's not really a majority view from the people I have met on boards like this, munches and groups. As nicely written as the piece was, it isn't law and is personal... as the writer claims. And as such, I have the freedom to place my view back, as a female submissive allowed by her Male Dominant.
All people are doing, is discussing what they see.

Peace and Love




srahfox -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/21/2005 8:41:29 AM)

I know you were posting your view, as I was mine. I accually mostly agree with you. I believe everyone have thier own view of life and bdsm, that's part of what I like about life. How boring and awful would it be if everyone felt the same about everything? I did feel he had a good thing to say and it looked as if everyone so far was 'attacking' him. Though I wasn't sure myself why he was posting his article here it felt like everyone took offence to it right of the bat without seeing any of the 'good' it may have had. I don't feel my submission is a gift, any more than I feel Masters dominance to me if a gift. I think it's a wonderful thing that life arraged itself is such a way for us to be two parts of a whole.
I certainly didn't mean to come across as if I was attacking anyone and I apologize if I did. I simply was trying to point out what I thought he was trying to say.
peace.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/21/2005 2:38:35 PM)

Of course everyone has their own idea of how to work out an individual relationship. W/we can only hope that people are reasonable about their expectations. I know I am.
I just had a boy here for a trial and on the day before he was to leave, I took him to the emergency room as he suspected he may have broken his foot. he had! I drove, I waited in the emergency room, he was put into a cast and handed a pair of crutches, and I sent to him bed when W/we got home. he was embarrassed. I laughed.
I made dinner, and I brought him a 7-Up. Silly Me. I am suposed to be the one being served! No other boy handy to take care of things, so I guess I had to step up to the plate and do it Myself. *Gasp* Guess what? It didn't kill Me. It didn't even bother Me, except that I was sorry he had to end his time with Me in pain. Not the pain I inflicted! *W*
Shit happens.
How wonderful to have an ideal. But life is not always ideal, so W/we adjust to what is necessary for the time. Adjustments can and should be made for what is necessary in day to day life dependant upon each one's needs, schedules, responsibilities outside of the relationship, etc. Not just emergencies, which also happen. There are Dominants who have the financial means to make sure that their household is run exactly the way they wish. I say, go for it! There are others (I suspect most of U/us) who live regular everyday lives, and fit the D/s dynamic into that in a reasonable manner.
It's very easy at a keyboard, because it is not real. And this is exactly why I can't be bothered to go into a chatroom!




CelticPrince -> RE: How may i serve you Sir? (4/22/2005 3:59:42 AM)

NCMaster,

Congrats, a very nice set of observations that would serve to remind a multitude of folks.

CP




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